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Post by Yeti on Jan 23, 2003 13:38:07 GMT -5
Is there a way to make every Habs play at his natural position?
Chow, per example, is not effective as a LW and I prefer Gilmour at C. So for every piece of the puzzle to fall into place, we need the following lines:
1- Hossa or Bulis- Koivu- Zed
2- Hossa or Bulis- Perreault- Petrov or Chow
3 A Kilger- Juneau- Petrov or Chow
OR
3B Juneau- Gilmour- Chow or Petrov (if so then the fourth is…)
4A Ribeiro- Kilger – Mckay
Otherwise, if 3A, Gilmour is centering the fourth line.
Yes, it leaves Dackell behind because McKay is bigger. At least for the next 2 weeks, Chow deserves to play at his natural position. If he doesn’t make things happening offensively then Dackell becomes more useful to the team than Chow.
I’m sure you all noticed Donald is as good as gone.
Was Hossa playing LW in Hamilton?
Someone wants to try the Ds pairing?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 13:44:54 GMT -5
Hossa was playing LW in Hamilton.......
On Habs roster
Natural LW's or better at LW:
Hossa(although he can play RW) Bulis(was a center before...now a LW) Zednik(IMO slightly better at LW) Kilger
centers:
Koivu Perreault Juneau Gilmour Ribeiro
Right wingers:
Czerkawski McKay Dackell Petrov
So........you could have:
Zednik-Koivu-Czerkawski Bulis-Perreault-Petrov Hossa-Gilmour-McKay Kilger-Juneau-Dackell
*Ribs and Blouin as scratches....
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 23, 2003 13:47:53 GMT -5
Marc,
you forgot Audette .... ;D
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Post by Yeti on Jan 23, 2003 13:51:56 GMT -5
Pretty good Marc but I think I heard Zed mentioning a few times that he feels more comfortable as a RW, am I wrong? And Juneau spent more than one NHL season as a LW as well (with the Caps I think). Of all our players, he's probably the one who could adapt the best to playing a different position.
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Post by habwest on Jan 23, 2003 14:16:20 GMT -5
Good topic.
I kind of operate on the premise of if it ain't broke don't fix it. Which is Koivu's line so I'd be tempted to leave Zednik on RW as he's almost as good there and I like the idea of Hossa playing on Koivu's line- it's a great way to break a kid in-
Hossa/Koivu/Zednik
The second line is problematic. Perreault appears to be a center only in that he's great at face-offs. Outside of that he appears to be best when he has a set-up man on his line. Gilmour and him appear to be working real well together and Gilmour seems to play better if he plays a decent amount so -
Gilmour/Perreault/Petrov
where Gilmour really is the center for most of the time and as Perreault is a Lefty he effectively becomes a LW outside of faceoffs.
Third line-
Bulis/Juneau/Czerkawski
These guys ought to play for 14 minutes plus Czerkawski should get some PP time and the others PK time. Also, Juneau can be a pretty decent set-up man if he's on his game.
Fourth line-
Kilger/Ribs/McKay or Dackell
If a heavy game is expected I appear to be stuck tho as Ribs should sit
?/Kilger/McKay
It will be interesting to see what CJ trys out and what he ends up with. Somehow I get the feeling that this assessment process he's going through won't take that long as he appears to be a quick read when figuring things out. Lots of ideas.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 14:18:07 GMT -5
Marc, you forgot Audette .... ;D like Yeti I assume Donald is gone...
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 14:19:30 GMT -5
Pretty good Marc but I think I heard Zed mentioning a few times that he feels more comfortable as a RW, am I wrong? And Juneau spent more than one NHL season as a LW as well (with the Caps I think). Of all our players, he's probably the one who could adapt the best to playing a different position. RW is his natural position But I feel he plays better at LW. He sees the ice better IMO. Juneau has played LW in the past. Remember in Boston he played with Oates and neely(that's how he got 100 point one year)
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Post by Patty Roy on Jan 23, 2003 14:19:39 GMT -5
Someone wants to try the Ds pairing? I'm just counting the days till Sheldon Souray can come back and help this team down the stretch. My healthy d-pairings would be as follows... Andrei Markov-Craig Rivet (roughly 22-24 minutes per night) Sheldon Souray-Patrice Brisebois (roughly 20 minutes per night) Ron Hainsey-Stephane Quintal (roughly 16-18 minutes per night) #7: Patrick Traverse I've always liked the idea of pairing a puck moving d-man with a more stay at home, physical defenceman. I think our d improves immensily when you take Dykhuis and Traverse out of the equation. I know Souray and Brisebois have not always had alot of success together in the past, but i would be willing to give them another shot together. Now my forward lines... Marcel Hossa-Saku Koivu-Richard Zednik (roughly 20 minutes per night) Jan Bulis-Yanic Perreault-Oleg Petrov (roughly 15-16 minutes per night) Chad Kilger-Doug Gilmour-Mariusz Czerkawski (roughly 13-15 minutes per night) Randy McKay-Joe Juneau-Andreas Dackell (roughly 10-12 minutes per night) #13: Mike Ribeiro, #14: Sylvain Blouin Julien, unlike Therrien, seems to prefer to match his top line against the opponents top line, so its important that we also get production from some other line(s). With Gilmour and Chow playing their proper positions, i think it could make for a somewhat productive 3rd line. Juneau and Dackell would still get plenty of PK time, but i don't see them being anywhere near the 17 or 18 minutes a night they were getting under MT.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 14:20:55 GMT -5
Good post Patty. Man that Souray and his injuries........
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 23, 2003 14:24:48 GMT -5
The ability to play out of position varies from player to player. Some can (Zednik), some can't (Robidas). Some sing, some dance.
Don't forget that Kilger, Hossa and Bulis are former centres. Kilger is a pretty good faceoff man, and not out of place playing down the middle. Bulis is godawful on the draw (he was at 36% last season, before being moved to LW). Hossa, dunno.
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Post by Patty Roy on Jan 23, 2003 14:31:52 GMT -5
Don't forget that Kilger, Hossa and Bulis are former centres. Kilger is a pretty good faceoff man, and not out of place playing down the middle. Bulis is godawful on the draw (he was at 36% last season, before being moved to LW). Hossa, dunno. As a Hab, Bulis has been far, far more impressive on LW than he ever was at C. So why mess with a good thing? I don't think Hossa has played C since his junior days, so i think we can forget about him ever moving back to that position. Kilger, i definitely like as a center. But the Habs have alot of veteran centers right now, so i would prefer to keep him on LW and give him better than 4th line ice time. My guess is that Gilmour, and maybe even Juneau might be gone after this season, so i would personally like to see Julien give Kilger a legit shot as our 3rd line center behind Koivu and Perreault.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 23, 2003 14:37:37 GMT -5
As a Hab, Bulis has been far, far more impressive on LW than he ever was at C. So why mess with a good thing? I don't think Hossa has played C since his junior days, so i think we can forget about him ever moving back to that position. Kilger, i definitely like as a center. But the Habs have alot of veteran centers right now, so i would prefer to keep him on LW and give him better than 4th line ice time. My guess is that Gilmour, and maybe even Juneau might be gone after this season, so i would personally like to see Julien give Kilger a legit shot as our 3rd line center behind Koivu and Perreault. Hmmm...I like the sound of a Hossa-Kilger-Czerkawski line. Size,speed, scoring and 2 capable defensive players.
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 23, 2003 15:58:25 GMT -5
well like someone said there's guys who can play an off position well like zedder, or hossa, and now gilmour, but there's also guys who do not fair aswell on their off wing or playing the wing instead of centre like czerkawski, and i've heard that juneau doesnt like wing.
although there's many different combinations that could work, i feel with all players healthy these lines would be most effective.
line up:
hossa - koivu - zednik (18 minutes) bulis - perreault - petrov (16 minutes) kilger - gilmour - czerkawski (14 minutes) mckay - juneau - dackell (12 minutes)
markov (26 m) - rivet (22 m) dykhuis (16 m) - brisebois (22 m) hainsey (18 m) - quintal (16 m) *hainsey, markov and brisebois log more ice time then their partners because of their frequent special teams duties, also markov would be double shifting to partner with brisebois over dykhuis in pressure situations.
powerplay:
1 hossa/gilmour - koivu - zednik 2 bulis/gilmour - perreault - czerkawski/petrov
1 markov - brisebois 2 hainsey - rivet
*1st unit would on average log 1:15 seconds of each powerplay.
penalty kill:
1 juneau - dackell 2 bulis - kilger/mkay
1 markov - rivet 2 player - brisebois
*1st unit would on average log 1:10 seconds of each penalty kill.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 17:05:59 GMT -5
another thing you can do....
...go back to what got us on a roll...
Kilger-Koivu-Zednik Gilmour-Perreault-McKay
Then mix and match for your last 2 lines...........
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 23, 2003 18:39:37 GMT -5
kilger we could do, but i wouldn't break up that dynamite second line of bulis, perreault, and petrov.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 18:40:43 GMT -5
Fine
Hossa-Gilmour-McKay as 3rd line. Keep Perreault's line together.
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