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Post by montreal on Dec 28, 2002 22:48:22 GMT -5
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Post by montreal on Dec 29, 2002 2:26:49 GMT -5
Well Landry ended up with 4 pts (1-3-4), and Chouinard had 2 assists and 7 shots.
In Hamilton, Chow played with Hossa and Plekanec. Balej and Ryder did not play for whatever reason.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 29, 2002 10:57:30 GMT -5
Please don't tell me Chow is taking ice time away from Balej and Ryder?
Damn. What a fiasco this is turning into.
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Post by Viper on Dec 29, 2002 10:58:51 GMT -5
I think Balej is injured  He never suited uo the night We were there either. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 29, 2002 12:30:32 GMT -5
No Balej played last week...there are just too many bodies in Hamilton. Both NHL teams have been relatively injury free as well.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 29, 2002 14:52:28 GMT -5
Interesting that Eric Chouinard, playing on a much poorer team, has a higher point-per-game average than Marcel Hossa... Is this good or bad?  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 29, 2002 16:41:34 GMT -5
what's your point You can look at it the other way...would Chouinard have the same PPG on the Dogs? would he get the same ice time? Chouinard is also 2 years older. |
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 29, 2002 17:08:35 GMT -5
what's your point You can look at it the other way...would Chouinard have the same PPG on the Dogs? would he get the same ice time? Chouinard is also 2 years older. Actually, Chouinard (1980) is only one year older than Hossa (1981). Chouinard just happens to be one of those guys we think has been around forever, because we have been following him forever. Chouinard is in his 3rd year in the AHL, Hossa is in his 2nd. My point, or question, was, is this good for Chouinard, or bad for Hossa? People say Chouinard is a bust, yet he is outscoring Hossa, playing on a much poorer team. Does this mean that Hossa is faltering? Or that Chouinard is surprising? I think it is the latter. Like Ward, we gave up on Chouinard right away, because he wasn't Simon Gagne. He will never be Simon Gagne, and indeed, he may never make the NHL (though Andre Savard was quoted as saying he would play in the NHL "for many years"), but we are so quick to give up on players here in Montreal. I don't think Chouinard has much hope in Montreal, but a smart GM might look at prying him away as a "throw-in" to another trade, and hoping for the best... |
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 29, 2002 17:21:40 GMT -5
ok one year...he is still older ;D
I do agree with you thought. We gave up on Chewy just like we gave up on Ward because they didn't become Gagne and Hossa(Marian)
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Post by montreal on Dec 29, 2002 19:13:48 GMT -5
Interesting that Eric Chouinard, playing on a much poorer team, has a higher point-per-game average than Marcel Hossa... Is this good or bad? Well there's several things to look at. Chouinard was sent to Utah, which had to send a message, since it's his contract year, I think. Either way, he went from being around his hometown, to far far away. So, I would think and hope that it lit a fire under him, to pick it up some. Also, Chouinard missed sometime due to injury, so he hasn't had to keep up his pace. He's just recently been scoring, and scoring a lot, but lets see what he does over the entire season. But Chouinard and Hossa, aren't far apart, as they both tend to be invisble at times, and struggle with consistency. Hossa's 1 goal away from last years 17, so he's shown a lot of improvement, while being a +18. I agree that a smart GM should try and get him as a throw in, as he has some serious skill, and he should be in the NHL if he can put it all together. Good size and great wrister, but he was hot and cold all of last year. He'd get 5 points one night, and then none for a long strench. |
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 30, 2002 1:33:55 GMT -5
I actually like to compare Hossa and Chouinard, in that I think they play a similar style of hockey; both are big, but not overly physical, both have tonnes of skill, are smooth, but not great skaters, great shooters, and both tend to be extremely passive at times.
In my opinion, after watching both of them play, I think where Hossa gets the edge - and its a big edge - is in hockey smarts. He just has a much better sense of the play than Chouinard does. So even if he is just floating around, he ends up in proper positioning anyways, both offensively and defensively. Chouinard on the other hand, has to concentrate fully ALL the time, otherwise he ends up horribly out of the play, watching it from the outside.
Having said that, if Eric can learn to focus better, and pick up the play better, he can still throw together an NHL career. But both Hossa and Chouinard have to work on their consistancy...
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 30, 2002 10:52:35 GMT -5
Well, I don't think I have ever compared Hossa (or Chouinard) to Hull or Robitaille. What I meant, was that Hossa has good hockey sense, and knows positioning a whole lot better than Chouinard does. Positioning isn't simply a matter of "this is your wing, don't leave it", you have to know where to be in certain situations, and more importantly, where to go in certain situations. This is almost instinct, really. Hossa ends up in the right position, and thus this allows him to "stick check" as you put it. Chouinard typically isn't even within reach of an opposing player.
As for the Euro game, lots of players make it using it. For whatever faults we pinned on Rucinsky, he was, and is, a pretty decent 2nd line winger. He's on pace for about 22 goals. As was Savage. The problem with them, and with us, was that we wanted so much more from them, and were willing to compensate them financially for that "potential." That was our mistake, not theirs. They just took the money and ran.
If Hossa can score 20-25 goals, say 50 points, playing his Euro game, then I think Montreal should be happy. That is, afterall, what they drafted him for. Heck, its why we traded to get Czerkawski, Audette and Berezin. Its what we are hoping for from Jan Bulis. Its Yanic Perrault-ishness at its finest. For me, that's Hossa's current projection. If he acquires some grit and desire, as you say, then who knows? While "soft 2nd liner winger" doesn't sound all that sexy, its not quite as horrible as we make it out to be, either. Unless of course, you have 7 or 8 "soft 2nd line wingers", but then that really isn't Marcel Hossa's concern, now is it?
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 30, 2002 11:00:11 GMT -5
Yup good point BC. Although I would like to see Hossa use his big frame more and become a lesser version of a power forward, I realise that's just not really his game and if he becomes a good 2nd liner who can score 25 goals per year, we should be happy. and don't we all remember the bomb he served Cujo last year  . So he does have a good shot. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 30, 2002 20:39:00 GMT -5
I haven't seen Choiunard or Hossa play enough to do a detailed analysis. I have seen them several times on TV and once in person (last April)
I was impressed with Hossa in his short callup last year. He got some power play time, scored some points and seem to give Perreault a boost when he played on his line.
The only time I saw them in person was last April when the Citadelles were playing a do 0r die playoff game in Hamilton. Although he didn't get any PP time he played with energy, got some chances & even had the fans really steamed at him late in the 2nd period. In short, he was involved.
Chouinard on the other hand was nearly invisible. In a game that meant the seson for his team he was not even close to being a factor. He was vastly outplayed by Gratton and Darby. I was really hoping to see something but left very disappointed. He is probably doing well in Utah because he may be the go to guy on a poor team.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 30, 2002 23:15:52 GMT -5
Positioning isn't simply a matter of "this is your wing, don't leave it", you have to know where to be in certain situations, and more importantly, where to go in certain situations. I knew that when I was weaned on my momma's left nip. Otherwise I’d go hungry if I didn’t know where to be when the certain hunger situations came up………..  Marriam Websters definition of “Stick checking”: That’s when instead of wiping the guy out, or at the very least put up token struggle for possession of the puck, you just slap the other guy on the butt like you wanted a date.Hossa is looking for dates.
As for the Euro game, lots of players make it using it. For whatever faults we pinned on Rucinsky, he was, and is, a pretty decent 2nd line winger. He's on pace for about 22 goals. As was Savage. The problem with them, and with us, was that we wanted so much more from them, and were willing to compensate them financially for that "potential." That was our mistake, not theirs. They just took the money and ran. You really would be happy to see another Rosie and his infectious ebola attitude in Hossa? The epitome of a Euro mercenary, that little Rosie was. How far is this club going to get with that? Yes, we wanted more from Rosie because he had more when he wanted to show it. If Hossa turns to be another Euro under achieving mercenary, then he should be thrown out of Hamilton and given his Burger King cap.
If Hossa can score 20-25 goals, say 50 points, playing his Euro game, then I think Montreal should be happy. That is, afterall, what they drafted him for. Heck, its why we traded to get Czerkawski, Audette and Berezin. Its what we are hoping for from Jan Bulis. Its Yanic Perrault-ishness at its finest. For me, that's Hossa's current projection. If he acquires some grit and desire, as you say, then who knows? While "soft 2nd liner winger" doesn't sound all that sexy, its not quite as horrible as we make it out to be, either. Unless of course, you have 7 or 8 "soft 2nd line wingers", but then that really isn't Marcel Hossa's concern, now is it?After three games, I think I have a pretty good read on Hossa and I think I know what Savard is looking for. Savard's ideal is an Alferdsson, not a younger Rosie. Unless Hossa shows some determination and grit, or half the Hab’s players fall out of an airplane, he will NEVER make it to the Hab’s. Go ahead, bookmark this page.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 31, 2002 0:17:07 GMT -5
it's bookmarked
Just like your Markov will be a career minor leaguer quote and the Hainsey is another Leetch one. ;D
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Post by Cranky on Dec 31, 2002 0:38:51 GMT -5
it's bookmarked Just like your Markov will be a career minor leaguer quote and the Hainsey is another Leetch one. ;D It's childish of you to continually misquote me. If you can’t contribute to the debate then don’t bother with another one liner. Particularly one that serves no function other then to annoy me. For a second time in a month. Thread carefully. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 31, 2002 0:47:31 GMT -5
OK, it's late I don't feel like going 120 pages to look for it...wasn't it? ''If Markov's stick checks will keep him in the minor leagues for the rest of his career'' and as for the Leetch/Hainsey one: habsrus.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&n=1&thread=5031&start=15''There is no question in my mind that given the proper development that Hainsey has a brighter future then Markov. Better skater, harder shot, bigger body. A Leetch in the making. '' |
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He never suited uo the night We were there either.
. So he does have a good shot.
