Some American Views
Mar 29, 2003 15:38:20 GMT -5
Post by spozzy on Mar 29, 2003 15:38:20 GMT -5
I don't understand why everyone hates the french because they feel war is not the answer. I'm suppose to believe that after we oust Saddam there will be peace around the world. Here's another thing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. We must go to war and kill in order to stop the killing. Sounds good to me!!!
- Bignick
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Nick, again we disagree, because, except for getting rid of slavery, fascism and communism, war has never accomplished anything. Your right, war is a terrible thing, but to rid the world of a tyrant who has gassed his own people, rules by torturing his own people so that they don't rise up against him, is developing biological and chemical weapons (the reason for this is unknown but I can come up with several possible things he may want to use them for), he must be dealt with. He's had 12 years to disarm, and W gave him plenty of time to do it recently. Keep in mind that the Shiites are the majority in Iraq and they are also the most oppressed by Saddam. while his people starve he continues to build presidential palaces and live in the lap of luxury, even after the UN sanctions after the Gulf War he's still listed as one of the 50 richest men in the world, yet his people are among the poorest. You tell me why we should let him continue to rule. And yes in order to stop a psychopathic killer most of the time you have to kill him, because the more you talk and try to feel your way through negotiations the more he sees a perspective target.
And as for the French, they deserve everything they get. They can't stand the fact that a country they helped survive through it's infancy has a better system and has seen better results, they can't stand that they are now about as insignificant as a country can be while not being called the French Province. Sorry pal in this case WAR IS the answer, and the French like the UN are obsolete.
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Every man dies, not every man really lives.
- rebdbox13
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We are a "superpower" which most of the world is envious of.
The reason we have to go over to Iraq and continue a war* is because we have to send a message to the rest of the world.
North Korea and other hostile countries know about all the cut-backs in our military in the last couple years. They see all the Hollywood liberals spouting off and hear about how our schools are failing, our population is becoming less educated and more illiterate, and how all we lazy Americans want to do is sit in front of a TV. They think we have grown soft.
I still believe that the silent majority of Americans feel as I do, that peace isn't something that happens when we sit back and let the rest of the world do what it wants. As I stated in another post, I never knew a bully at school who stopped bullying because everyone kept quiet and hoped he would go away. It took a strong person to stand up to the bully before he would back down.
Peace has to be fought for and defended. If we let Saddam continue to terrorize his people and make the UN look stupid, then the other evil dictatorships will be much more inclined to blatantly act up.
*I say continue a war because after Desert Storm we never signed a "Peace Agreement" with Saddam, we only signed a "Cease Fire Agreement". Technically the war never officially ended.
Freedom is NOT Free
- Margenvir
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kelley i clearly see your point about the French, it seems that they are turning their back on us in our time of need. However i can also see it from a different perspective, right or wrong, that our presentation to the French was an insult. We entered the UN with intentions of war, to a nation that we know enjoys peace, and is not strong in battle, this proposal is frightening and even insulting. The french are not against the US or with Saddam, although arguments can be made to the contrary. I think they are against the US's predetermination for war, which knowingly opposed their beliefs and knowingly put them in a hard position. Saddam is an evil man, the french have no backbone, but the US did not legitmitately attempt to ease their concerns by actively and aggressively stepping up diplomacy.
These opinions may be right or wrong, but as i see it, if the United States wishes to hold and retain its position as world super power, it must legitimately consider the perspectives and beliefs of all those under its realm, as is the foundation of democracy. I hope American's do not simply look at the issue with a one track defensive stance, but open themselves to our knew responsibilty as leaders.
In response to Redbox13 and margenvir, the points you arise in support of the war are valid. I solely hope to remind the citizens of America, that we eager to assume our responsibility as global defender, but fail to recognize the simbiotic responsibility to democracy, and recognizing the integrity of our allies. By the way braveheart great movie, but it also says "It's our wits that make us men."
And finally to Bignick, i respect your opinions, but i think you've lost track of the reality, amongst all this confusion. I hope you will look at the terrible things Saddam has and continues to do, and from this research realize the necessity for action in Iraq. We seem to agree that things were not presented or implemented as well as possible and that diplomacy should have been given a better chance, but do not lose track of the underlying justification behind this terrible atrocity currently writing the pages of human history
-- Rob Frost
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All grabbed from another forum I stumbled upon (but am not part of).
- Bignick
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Nick, again we disagree, because, except for getting rid of slavery, fascism and communism, war has never accomplished anything. Your right, war is a terrible thing, but to rid the world of a tyrant who has gassed his own people, rules by torturing his own people so that they don't rise up against him, is developing biological and chemical weapons (the reason for this is unknown but I can come up with several possible things he may want to use them for), he must be dealt with. He's had 12 years to disarm, and W gave him plenty of time to do it recently. Keep in mind that the Shiites are the majority in Iraq and they are also the most oppressed by Saddam. while his people starve he continues to build presidential palaces and live in the lap of luxury, even after the UN sanctions after the Gulf War he's still listed as one of the 50 richest men in the world, yet his people are among the poorest. You tell me why we should let him continue to rule. And yes in order to stop a psychopathic killer most of the time you have to kill him, because the more you talk and try to feel your way through negotiations the more he sees a perspective target.
And as for the French, they deserve everything they get. They can't stand the fact that a country they helped survive through it's infancy has a better system and has seen better results, they can't stand that they are now about as insignificant as a country can be while not being called the French Province. Sorry pal in this case WAR IS the answer, and the French like the UN are obsolete.
.
Every man dies, not every man really lives.
- rebdbox13
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We are a "superpower" which most of the world is envious of.
The reason we have to go over to Iraq and continue a war* is because we have to send a message to the rest of the world.
North Korea and other hostile countries know about all the cut-backs in our military in the last couple years. They see all the Hollywood liberals spouting off and hear about how our schools are failing, our population is becoming less educated and more illiterate, and how all we lazy Americans want to do is sit in front of a TV. They think we have grown soft.
I still believe that the silent majority of Americans feel as I do, that peace isn't something that happens when we sit back and let the rest of the world do what it wants. As I stated in another post, I never knew a bully at school who stopped bullying because everyone kept quiet and hoped he would go away. It took a strong person to stand up to the bully before he would back down.
Peace has to be fought for and defended. If we let Saddam continue to terrorize his people and make the UN look stupid, then the other evil dictatorships will be much more inclined to blatantly act up.
*I say continue a war because after Desert Storm we never signed a "Peace Agreement" with Saddam, we only signed a "Cease Fire Agreement". Technically the war never officially ended.
Freedom is NOT Free
- Margenvir
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kelley i clearly see your point about the French, it seems that they are turning their back on us in our time of need. However i can also see it from a different perspective, right or wrong, that our presentation to the French was an insult. We entered the UN with intentions of war, to a nation that we know enjoys peace, and is not strong in battle, this proposal is frightening and even insulting. The french are not against the US or with Saddam, although arguments can be made to the contrary. I think they are against the US's predetermination for war, which knowingly opposed their beliefs and knowingly put them in a hard position. Saddam is an evil man, the french have no backbone, but the US did not legitmitately attempt to ease their concerns by actively and aggressively stepping up diplomacy.
These opinions may be right or wrong, but as i see it, if the United States wishes to hold and retain its position as world super power, it must legitimately consider the perspectives and beliefs of all those under its realm, as is the foundation of democracy. I hope American's do not simply look at the issue with a one track defensive stance, but open themselves to our knew responsibilty as leaders.
In response to Redbox13 and margenvir, the points you arise in support of the war are valid. I solely hope to remind the citizens of America, that we eager to assume our responsibility as global defender, but fail to recognize the simbiotic responsibility to democracy, and recognizing the integrity of our allies. By the way braveheart great movie, but it also says "It's our wits that make us men."
And finally to Bignick, i respect your opinions, but i think you've lost track of the reality, amongst all this confusion. I hope you will look at the terrible things Saddam has and continues to do, and from this research realize the necessity for action in Iraq. We seem to agree that things were not presented or implemented as well as possible and that diplomacy should have been given a better chance, but do not lose track of the underlying justification behind this terrible atrocity currently writing the pages of human history
-- Rob Frost
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All grabbed from another forum I stumbled upon (but am not part of).
