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Post by Cranky on Apr 9, 2003 8:36:35 GMT -5
Well, the war went as expected and the results were never in doubt. Now that the Saddam is God regime hit the trashcan were humanities evil evaporates.
Now the hard part begins.
It may have only taken three weeks to take over the country but it is going to take three years of rebuilding to even start to give all it’s people the kind of life they deserve and it’s oil can afford. Besides trying to unify three groups of people and get all the work done, the US will have to contend with those third world country influences like Russia, France and Germany. They are currently gathering in St. Petersburg, trying to figure out how they are going to get their blood money and crying their little eyes out for backing a dictator. Losing all that loot they dreamed about, how awful…….. bwahahahahaha
The world was reminded again that freedom was not free. Blood was shed for freedom and far too many innocent live were lost. Humanity has not shed it’s primal past and far too often it’s basal essence is distilled and evil emerges. What can one do other then to confront it and dispose it.
Bravo to the United States of America and it's allies. Kudos to the man and woman who risked their lives to give them freedom.
Long live the freedom of Iraq. May it's prosperity be great, it's people happy.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 9, 2003 16:55:18 GMT -5
There are seminal momments in the span of every generation that define that period in history. 12 or 13 years ago, it was a mob of Germans tearing apart a wall in Berlin. 60 years ago it was an American Sailor kissing a woman in times square. These momments etch themselves indelibly on the conciousness of the generations that witness them.
Today one such momment came when hundreds of Iraqis, with the help of U.S marines tore down a statue of the barbaric dictator who had terrorized them for a generation. They frantically waved American and Iraqi flags in jubilation, and I can unashamedly say tears came to my eyes as hope and joy beamed from the faces of a people whose visages had before known only the bitterest despair and pain. As these people approached the U.S marines that liberated them, kissing them, giving them flowers, a most incredible sensation of satisfaction overwhelmed me. I new that America, Britain, Australia, and others had done the right thing. With the fall of that statue will come hope for a better tommorow, for the freedom and prosperity of an entire nation. Today people around the world have united in a common euphoria not just for the victory of coalition forces, but the victory of the nation of Iraq.
To the Iraqi people I send my most sincere hope for their future safety, freedom, and prosperity, for the happiness of their children. To Coalition forces, my heartfelt admiration, gratitude, and congratulations on a job extremely well done. I will never forget the events of this day, and I think we all, regardless of political, national, ethnic, or religious affiliation can speak in one voice and congratulate the Iraqi people on their new found freedom, and coalition forces, the deliverers of that freedom. May God, Allah or whoever you call the divine bless the nation of Iraq and the coalition of countries that liberated her.
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Post by MC Habber on Apr 10, 2003 4:18:55 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be too cynical here, but the images we see from Iraq are mainly what the US wants us to see.... We should also be shedding tears for all the people who have already died or been injured in this war (both civilians and soldiers [American, British and Iraqi - many of whom have been forced to fight against their will]), as well as those who will die or be injured because of unexploded American cluster bombs.
I sincerely hope that this will be the start of better times in Iraq, although I am far from convinced that is the true reason behind this war, but it still seems to me that it could have and should have been achieved with a much lower human cost.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 10, 2003 6:12:33 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be too cynical here, but the images we see from Iraq are mainly what the US wants us to see.... We should also be shedding tears for all the people who have already died or been injured in this war (both civilians and soldiers [American, British and Iraqi - many of whom have been forced to fight against their will]), as well as those who will die or be injured because of unexploded American cluster bombs. I sincerely hope that this will be the start of better times in Iraq, although I am far from convinced that is the true reason behind this war, but it still seems to me that it could have and should have been achieved with a much lower human cost. Could it have been at "no cost" to human lives? I think we have debated the issue on this for over three weeks. Nevertheless, at this point it appears mostly over. I sincerely hope the Americans keep their word in "rebuilding" Iraq. What I am afraid that there are so many people who are trying to work against them that they may see this as "damn if we do and damn if we don't". Time will tell. |
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Post by Rhiessan on Apr 10, 2003 6:37:15 GMT -5
We should also be shedding tears for all the people who have already died or been injured in this war (both civilians and soldiers [American, British and Iraqi - many of whom have been forced to fight against their will]), as well as those who will die or be injured because of unexploded American cluster bombs. I sincerely hope that this will be the start of better times in Iraq, although I am far from convinced that is the true reason behind this war, but it still seems to me that it could have and should have been achieved with a much lower human cost. Thing is did more civilians die in the last 3 weeks than would of died under Suddam's rule over the next year or 2? I'm thinking no. |
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Post by GoMtl on Apr 10, 2003 17:31:52 GMT -5
what i've been wondering after watching tv over the past few days, is the sincerety of the supposed uprising of the iraqi people against saddam now, showing their gratitude to the american soldiers. is the media tainting this a lot more than the actual truth? we're seeing all these statues down, and a message that almost all of the iraqi people are now thankful, but is this actually true? for all we really know, because we are not there, it could be a lot different than the pictures we're seeing. as for the casualties that have happened and would happen if the war had not happened, most times in history you don't get the full story on that type of thing for decades afterwards, casualty numbers for civilians are relatively low in this war compared to past wars, but throughout history we have learned that the truth doesn't usually come out for many years. i'm not that familiar with the views of you folks, and what has been said here over the past weeks, but as things stand now, i'm satisfied that the americans and their allies have done something that was not an injustice, but my views are likely quite biased because of the sources that i'm getting my information from.
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Post by MPLABBE on Apr 10, 2003 19:05:45 GMT -5
They are thrilled because the Saddam regime was terrible on them. I don't know if you saw the story from the Brittish journalist(ITV TV station...they ran it on CNN) who went into a Iraqi prison in Basra(I believe) with Iraqis who once were held in that prison...the things Saddam's cops did to them were just SICK. They were electructed(sp), they were forced to stay in cells with terrible sanitary conditions..or cells jammed packed with people(300). They were beaten up. One guy went to prison because he prayed longer than he should have !!!!
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Post by Cranky on Apr 10, 2003 19:21:13 GMT -5
Now you guys see why some of us have this EXTREME hatred for dictators.
Sadistic, inhuman, beyond the imagination treatment to people just because they did something wrong in the eyes of the few. In Canada, we may disagree and even yell at each other, but in the end of the day we know that no harm will comes to us.
To see the display of anger to the fall of statue is sad, scary and enlightening. I will admit that I had tears rolling down my eyes.
Yes, this is not only about Saddam. It’s about many, many varied and intertwined reasons but when you see the expression in the Iraqi on the street, it has to make you happy.
End of rant.
(A hug to comrade BC, Bozo and PTH.)
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 10, 2003 19:25:01 GMT -5
(A hug to comrade BC, Bozo and PTH.) Comrade? Comrade??What are you?? Some sort of communist??(Sigh. Remember when you could call somebody a communist, and it was like, a real insult?) |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 10, 2003 19:30:53 GMT -5
Comrade? Comrade??What are you?? Some sort of communist??(Sigh. Remember when you could call somebody a communist, and it was like, a real insult?) LOL............ That was the "pitch battle" we fought over Komo's nickname. I still think that Der Kommisar has to go down the same path of history as the "boy called Sue". *yuck* I WON with sticking the Komisaurus nickname and you LOST. WIN and LOSE, the HabsRus way.....  P.S. Communism was an insult and now it is "cool". Mind you, I am certain that half the people who use the word do not even know who Trotsky is. "Trotsky? Yeah dude, that's the new rapper dude........." |
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Post by PTH on Apr 10, 2003 22:30:59 GMT -5
Now you guys see why some of us have this EXTREME hatred for dictators. Sadistic, inhuman, beyond the imagination treatment to people just because they did something wrong in the eyes of the few. So, now you'll start a movement to encourage the US to go and invade all the other evil dictatorships they put in place to protect their geopolitical interests ? ;-) |
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Post by Rhiessan on Apr 10, 2003 23:59:26 GMT -5
So, now you'll start a movement to encourage the US to go and invade all the other evil dictatorships they put in place to protect their geopolitical interests ? ;-) I thought that movement was started when the American people "almost" elected Bush  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Apr 18, 2003 13:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by MC Habber on Apr 18, 2003 15:14:08 GMT -5
 LOL. More US propaganda.... is it so much worse than Bush's emabarassing past? |
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Post by 24andcounting on Apr 20, 2003 22:38:58 GMT -5
Wonderful. Some liberators -- they handed out a nice fat oil contract to Haliburton even before the Red Cross could get in. Didn't take long to start dividing up the assets, did it? A little bit for Blair, a little bit for the Aussies, and much more for the US. I sincerely doubt any goodwill on the part of US government, in fact, any good to come to the Iraqi people is incidental.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Apr 21, 2003 6:29:59 GMT -5
Wonderful. Some liberators -- they handed out a nice fat oil contract to Haliburton even before the Red Cross could get in. Didn't take long to start dividing up the assets, did it? A little bit for Blair, a little bit for the Aussies, and much more for the US. I sincerely doubt any goodwill on the part of US government, in fact, any good to come to the Iraqi people is incidental. Sheesh, what were people thinking? It wasn't about oil. It wasn't about democracy. It was about military bases. |
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LOL. More US propaganda.... is it so much worse than Bush's emabarassing past? 
