Syria has their warning

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Here's the link guys,

cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Iraq/2003/03/23/49528-ap.html

There's not too much to it, yet that is. Bush has no told them, not to be harbouring political exiles and/or war criminals.

I knew there was really only one boarder that permitted Iraqi access and it was Syria. During the UN embargo, it was Syria who was providing most of the supplies that Iraq was denied through restrictions. They've never really severed any ties with Iraq.

Anyone bet there's more to come, not only on the Syria front.

On a positive note, North Korea has agreed to talks.

Cheers.

[Cranky]

This picture realy got my attention. One can read this any way one wants.




The title can not possibly be any more racist. It is the Arab's view of his plans. Actually, it should have been Wolfowitz on the picture.

[seventeen]

HabsAddict said:

This picture realy got my attention. One can read this any way one wants.

Oh goodie, a religious war. There's really nothing like a good religious war. It puts all other wars to shame. After all, when you're shopping for a war, don't settle for anything but the best. Remember.....George is worth it.

[BadCompany]

Syria would have been a much more logical place for the Americans to attack than Iraq, in my opinion. They are just as oppressive a regime, they have the same weapons-of-mass destruction agenda (as Dis pointed out, Iraq got most of their stuff through Syria), they have fought three major wars with Israel, and routinely trade artillery fire with them, either in south Lebanon, or across the Golan heights, and they are much, much bigger sponsors of terrorism, either directly, or through their proxy-state Lebanon. Terrorist groups known to be associated with Syria/Lebanon include Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and various Shiite Muslim paramilitary groups. Much nastier groups than anything Iraq is known to sponsor.

Mind you, Syria doesn't have the world's second largest oil reserves, but as the pro-war faction is quick to point out, the Iraq war "wasn't about oil..."

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

"Dammit, Jim! I'm a United States president, not a statesman."

[Cranky]

First Iraq, then Syria. The logical order of things. Later on, Toronto, the Center of the Universe.

I am not posting a link in public because where I get this is the most racist site in the world, BUT, it does have contributors from every corner of the world. 99% junk and 1% decent.

I do not know who DEBKA is. One thing I have to make clear. If there is mention of some organization in the reposts I have made, chances are I do not know their politics. For all I know, DEBKA maybe another name for KKK. This is just a repost with some interesting information.

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Ultimatum for Assad as US Special Forces Land

Although President George W. Bush and administration spokesmen have carefully skirted any explicit threat of military action against Syria, DEBKAfile’s military sources report that Sunday night, April 12, small teams of American undercover troops were already inside Syria marking out the hideouts of Saddam’s close family, his top lieutenants, military leaders and the directors of his banned weapons programs. US special forces troops were additionally directed to locate the men who drive the operational arms of the Hizballah, Jihad Islami and Hamas terror groups.

Twenty-four hours later, Monday night, three events brought Syria even closer to becoming the object of direct American action, additionally placing France in Washington’s sights - albeit for a different kind of punishment. Syria faces imminent economic sanctions at best – although, since experience shows they never work, military action is very much on the cards. France stands to pay a diplomatic and financial price for certain actions that have come to light.

DEBKAfile’s Washington sources describe the White House as particularly incensed over the following pieces of intelligence:

A. Documents coming to light in Baghdad directly incriminate Syria as a full partner in the financing, development and concealment of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. A source familiar with the new data reveals that Syria was not only a full partner but active in every stage of these programs to the point that they deserve to be called Iraqi-Syrian, not just Iraqi, undertakings.

Well before the UN weapons inspectors came on the scene last year, the Syrian president Bashar Assad took it upon himself to conceal the banned weapons, one by one, as they came off the production line. Syria’s support for Iraq in the UN Security Council and the attacks leveled by foreign minister Farouk a-Sharah against Washington, for venturing to accuse Iraq of concealing weapons of mass destruction, were staged to misdirect attention from the biggest political, intelligence and military fraud perpetrated since the Cold War ended.

Washington’s indignation over these discoveries has been manifested in a torrent of warnings to, and charges against Damascus in the last three days. Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld took the opportunity of the warm welcome he gave the visiting Kuwait ruler on Monday, April 14, to produce intelligence that Syria had conducted chemical weapons tests in the last year.

He could have said more. According to DEBKAfile’s Washington sources, the defense secretary was also informed that in the same period Syria test-fired missiles fitted with chemical warheads from Aleppo in the north to Djebel Druze in the south near the Syrian-Iraqi-Jordan border junction. Damascus carried out the test on behalf of the Iraqi-Syrian partnership for developing unconventional weapons.

B. The details of the comprehensive military collaboration treaty Assad secretly concluded with the now deposed Iraqi ruler Saddam Hussein that were first exposed in DEBKAfile in September 2000 are only now emerging in full. Under its terms, Syria was bound to furnish an escape hatch for fleeing Iraqi military, political, scientific and intelligence top echelons working on the banned weapons programs, as well as providing concealed locations for production to continue. Damascus was therefore committed to taking over the shared WMD projects from the point they were interrupted by a war emergency in Baghdad.

C. This discovery relates to the aid rendered Syria by France. DEBKAfile’s exclusive intelligence and military sources reveal that, from Monday night, April 14, groups of Iraqi military and scientific leaders have been transferred from Syria to France. This came about as a result of President Chirac consenting to help Assad live up to his commitments to Saddam Hussein and keep their forbidden weapons out of sight and their existence denied.

These discoveries led the Bush administration to slap down before Damascus a three-part ultimatum:

1. First, in view of Syria’s long record as sponsor of terror, the Assad regime is required to dismantle at once the command centers of the Lebanese Hizballah and the Palestinian Jihad Islami and Hamas Damascus headquarters and turn their leaders over to the United States. A list of names is supplied.

2. To hand over without delay all the weapons of mass destruction on its territory, whether they are “Iraqi” or “Syrian”.

3. To surrender to the Americans at once every one of the hundreds of Iraqi regime members, including Saddam kinsmen, granted asylum in Syria.

Assad’s failure to deliver would result in the United States acting to force his compliance.

Washington’s ultimatum evoked a frantic Arab reaction. Saudi foreign minister Saudi Al-Faisal went to Damascus to warn the Syrian ruler of grave consequences should he persist in defying the Americans. He advised him to call an urgent Arab foreign ministers meeting for Friday, April 18, and ask the Arab world to back him up in meeting Washington’s demands. The Syrian ruler has not yet informed the Saudi minister of his intentions.

Though not unaware of the danger hanging over his head, Assad is showing the same kind of stubbornness as Saddam Hussein his ally exhibited when he was urged by a procession of diplomatic well-wishers to show flexibility – or go into voluntary exile – so as to avert an American invasion.

A brief anecdote indicates the deceptive nature of the Syrian-Iraqi alliance. Iraq’s UN ambassador Mohammed Al-Douri, the first Saddam regime official to concede his country’s defeat (“The game is over”), aroused some sympathy when he burst into tears in New York and vowed to devote his life to a peaceful future for his people. He announced he would be going to Paris.

Well, DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources have discovered that the weeping ambassador stayed in Paris only long enough to catch the next plane to Damascus, where he joined his not exactly peace-loving brother, who turns out to be the deposed vice president Izzat Ibrahim Al-Douri.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Oh well. It seems the US hasn't learned its lesson. So be it.

[Cranky]

mr said:

Oh well. It seems the US hasn't learned its lesson. So be it.

They are following what one can now call the "Wolfowitz Doctrine".

From the beginning the plan looks like this:

Take over Iraq.

Topple the Syrian goverment.

Ariel Sharon cries like a baby but "gives in" to the Palestinian problem.

The US pulls North Korea, with an intensive "carrot and stick" approach to a long term unification plan with South Korea.

If Dabya and Minions pull this off, I will become a Republican and start selling Saint Wolfowitz Dolls. They may look like Saint Savard, but what the heck, with a little touch up, I can sell them for a mint.

P.S. Capitalist at Work.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

BadCompany said:

Syria would have been a much more logical place for the Americans to attack than Iraq, in my opinion. They are just as oppressive a regime, they have the same weapons-of-mass destruction agenda (as Dis pointed out, Iraq got most of their stuff through Syria), they have fought three major wars with Israel, and routinely trade artillery fire with them, either in south Lebanon, or across the Golan heights, and they are much, much bigger sponsors of terrorism, either directly, or through their proxy-state Lebanon. Terrorist groups known to be associated with Syria/Lebanon include Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and various Shiite Muslim paramilitary groups. Much nastier groups than anything Iraq is known to sponsor.

Mind you, Syria doesn't have the world's second largest oil reserves, but as the pro-war faction is quick to point out, the Iraq war "wasn't about oil..."

I spent six months in the Golan Heights back May to November of '96. Though the camp was in Israeli-occupied Syria, the actual Syrian boarder was maybe a two-minute drive away.

There were rules prior to entering Syria. We had to make sure nothing, and I mean nothing, had Hebrew markings on it. If caught with even so much as a plastic oil container had Hebrew writing on it, it became an international incident that involved the military police, the General, yadda, yadda, yadda ... Hebrew is a forbidden language in Syria and some other Islamic countries as well.

However, you're right insomuch as Syria harbouring terrorists. Hezbollah fighters have been know to launch random rocket attacks on Israeli boarder cities and towns. Some of these come from Lebanon, but others from inside Syria itself. Though if the Israelis could prove that they would do something about it for sure.

As for Iraq sponsoring terrorists, the Hussein regime was known to have paid $25G to Palastinian families whose offspring had carried out a suicide bombing in Israel.

Chemical weapons or WMD? I honestly don't know if they have them or not, but I do know that deceased Syrian President, Hafiz al-Asad, massacred quite a few of his own people in 1982 because of an uprising against the ruling President and his party; the Ba'ath party still rules in Syria today. Here's an interesting site that will convey in detail what I'm talking about;

www.shrc.org/english/99reports/18021999.htm

However, this side of Syria may also remind you of another country as well. Owners decorate their shops with a picture or a string of pictures (sometimes four or five of the same photo) of their President. When I was there, Al-Asad was the president and you could see his mug absolutely everywhere, in windows, in taxis, on bulliten boards as you enter or exit a town. However, if you take the main highway going north to Hamah, you'll see a gigantic statue of Al Asad overlooking the city of Hamah. And I mean HUGE! Here's what I'm talking about;

www.meforum.org/article/414

It was put there to remind the Hamah population as just who was boss. Remind you of another country?

Oh, have I mentioned the Presidental palaces Al-Asad lived in? Or, the population that never speaks out politically? After the Hamah massacre, people learned that if they didn't conform, they would conform by the sword.

Does this give the USA an altruistic motive to get tough with Syria? If they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that Syria is directly involved in terrorism, whether western, or middle-eastern, then they're going to have to convince the remainder of the world. And even then, there will be countries obstaining on what they believe to be "principals."

However, Israel has always known Syrian politics. They have taken the fight to Hamas on Leabonese soil. The problem with them taking out terrorists on Syrian soil would be that they'd have to take on the entire Arab league. And, they don't necessarily want to do that any more. In fact, the Arab nations have noted just how easily Iraq fell to the coalition, ahem, USA and Britain. I don't think any one of those countries is up for a fight right about now.

I've actually gone on far too long on this. However, I'm going to post some personal mussings on the Syrian people in general. I really don't want to give the impression that this is an evil populas; far from it. As a heads-up; they're quite friendly. More to follow later tonight.

Cheers.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

They're not letting everyone through the Syrian boarder. An interesting positive.

www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/15/sprj.irq.abbas.arrested/index.html

Cheers.