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Post by UberCranky on Apr 16, 2005 10:42:36 GMT -5
I fear that Canada will be coming to another crisis thanks to Liberal corruption. I can not help but bring up the visions and thoughts of a man who I truly admire. When the FLQ crisis happened and I still remember Trudeau’s image and actions coming to clear focus to my early teenage mind. It was an image of a man who will do what he had to do in order to keep stability and peace to my Canada. In fact, his “do what you have to do if you know you are right” was so influential in my life that he was one of the reasons that I become involved in protests and riots in another country. Yes, he made mistakes and he was arrogant SOB but he was also a GIANT of a man in comparison to his successors. In fact, it hurts to see how far we have fallen when it comes to our leaders. With the Mulroney legacy written and the Chrétien legacy about to tear the country, the images and actions of THE MAN speak volumes. A thread to remember a man of clear vision and love for our Canada. RIP. ![](http://www.bestcdn.com/primary/pride/images/trudeau.jpg)
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Post by franko on Apr 16, 2005 16:01:57 GMT -5
You won't hear too many "Amen's" from Albertans on that! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Apr 16, 2005 16:14:23 GMT -5
Many Québecois would also stop short of eulogizing him.
However, in my lifetime Trudeau and Lester B Pearson have been the only two Prime Ministers who managed to be statesmen rather than mere politicians. A cut above. Especially on the world stage.
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Post by franko on Apr 16, 2005 16:56:51 GMT -5
However, in my lifetime Trudeau and Lester B Pearson have been the only two Prime Ministers who managed to be statesmen rather than mere politicians. A cut above. Especially on the world stage. I'll "amen" you, though PET did think highly of himself and was not always a cut above (see: irreverence during visit to London). But he did bring life to the Hill, as opposed to what is happening now. Decorum, please.
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Post by HabbaDasher on Apr 16, 2005 17:50:19 GMT -5
Trudeau was not perfect, but he was cool, and made Canada cool. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 16, 2005 22:17:33 GMT -5
I'll "amen" you, though PET did think highly of himself and was not always a cut above (see: irreverence during visit to London). But he did bring life to the Hill, as opposed to what is happening now. Decorum, please. He had an ego that's for sure, but he could back it up. Just ask Ronald Reagan. Seriously, Trudeau may have made some mistakes during his tenure, but he was probably the last Prime Minister we had who had a set of nuts. Unlike some of his predecessors he wasn't afraid to deal directly with the USA. - Mulrooney was an outright lick
- Chretien resorted to talking behind Clinton's back
In addition to that, as Habadasher said, Trudeau was also a contemporary. He had the flamboyance and charisma, and his appearance often reflected the time. Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 17, 2005 8:05:38 GMT -5
He had an ego that's for sure, but he could back it up. Just ask Ronald Reagan. Seriously, Trudeau may have made some mistakes during his tenure, but he was probably the last Prime Minister we had who had a set of nuts. Unlike some of his predecessors he wasn't afraid to deal directly with the USA. Trudeau KNEW exactly what he was doing and the consequences of his actions. Unlike his successors, he had the intelligence to take Canada on his back and wade through the shark infested world without losing chunks of it on the way. Sure, he wobbled once in a while but he would never had a Gomery Inquisition on HIS watch. Now, we have a power hungry prince who has pushed to become king for so long that he has forgotten what he really stand for. And who did HE replace? A corrupt lifetime politico who had placed his best interest in front of the countries. And then we had Mulroney. The triumvir of political tragedy…… Who will save us now?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 17, 2005 10:04:08 GMT -5
The thing is Trudeau wouldn't have let things go so badly. And when things get this way you know for a fact he could sort it out quickly and properly. Trudeau KNEW exactly what he was doing and the consequences of his actions. Unlike his successors, he had the intelligence to take Canada on his back and wade through the shark infested world without losing chunks of it on the way. Sure, he wobbled once in a while but he would never had a Gomery Inquisition on HIS watch. I know Chretien ruled with an iron fist but I think that developed over time as he was continually looking over his shoulder to keep the Martin camp in check. It was a distraction and I think it ultimately cost him and the party. However, I was only a teenager during most of Trudeau's tenure. Politics wasn't really a priority with me then (thank goodness). But as time goes on I'm finding that what wasn't important to me as a teenager are now legitimate concerns. Here's my question. Was Trudeau a team player within his own party? Was he an authoritarian, or was he a facilitator? Looking back in retrospect I think he was both, but I'd like to hear some opinions as well. The two of them can take their fair share of blame, HA. Martin was consolidating his position behind the scenes for years. He got caught twice and the second time it cost him his job. And being demoted to the back benches meant he had more time to plan his campaign for the PM's office. And with that much effort focused on one area I have to ask what he has done for his constituents during his time in parliament? Also, as much as he might have been a good finance minister I'd still like to see if these surpluses in the budget are there once a non-liberal takes over the books. And if those surpluses were actually there: - why are some people still having problems getting decent health care,
- why is our higher-education institutions just getting by and some are close to cumbling?
- why are politicians claiming that the Canada Pension Plan may not be here in a few years?
I can't be the only one thinking this way. Sort of gives me an appreciation for what the American voters went through recently. Martin, Harper or Layton? There's no Trudeau that's for sure. Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 17, 2005 11:09:54 GMT -5
I know Chretien ruled with an iron fist but I think that developed over time as he was continually looking over his shoulder to keep the Martin camp in check. It was a distraction and I think it ultimately cost him and the party. . I NEVER saw the Little Man as anything more then a lowly politician. He stood in Trudeau's shadow but he was no more then a mere shadow of The Man. In fact, the Little Man gave me hope for our Country. Why? Because even though we were led by incompetence, the country still functioned. We paid with our hard earned money and they spend it to buy votes and dispense it to their friends. They drew more blood, err, money from us EVERY DAY and yet, like good little sheep, we gave and gave. Now we see EXACTLY to whom and how our money was spent. Now, the Liberals are nothing more then a banana republic party. Sort of gives me an appreciation for what the American voters went through recently. Martin, Harper or Layton? There's no Trudeau that's for sure. Cheers. Martin, Harper or Layton? The man who lust for power spans a decade or the man whose agenda is weaned on the nipple of far right or the man who will bankrupt the country into a left skidding frenzy of trivial pursuits for “the people”? We need a man a vision and honour to rise from the infestation of corruption and the morass of politics. We need a man who will place in front of him ONLY the welfare of people and the country. A man of with no agenda for power other then yielding the power for the good of us all. Who is that saviour? Where is that saviour? If he exists, he nees to show his face SOON, before the tides rise and scatter us.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 17, 2005 15:10:36 GMT -5
I fear that Canada will be coming to another crisis thanks to Liberal corruption. I can not help but bring up the visions and thoughts of a man who I truly admire. When the FLQ crisis happened and I still remember Trudeau’s image and actions coming to clear focus to my early teenage mind. It was an image of a man who will do what he had to do in order to keep stability and peace to my Canada. In fact, his “do what you have to do if you know you are right” was so influential in my life that he was one of the reasons that I become involved in protests and riots in another country. Yes, he made mistakes and he was arrogant SOB but he was also a GIANT of a man in comparison to his successors. In fact, it hurts to see how far we have fallen when it comes to our leaders. With the Mulroney legacy written and the Chrétien legacy about to tear the country, the images and actions of THE MAN speak volumes. A thread to remember a man of clear vision and love for our Canada. RIP. ![](http://www.bestcdn.com/primary/pride/images/trudeau.jpg) The best part of Trudeaus legacy was his decisive action to mobilize the military, the war measures act to restrict civil liberty and ensure the safety of the country. His weakness was his capitulation to Levesque and the separatists when decisive leadership for unity was needed. Like Kennedy, he was a pretty good leader for a Liberal!
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Post by PTH on Apr 17, 2005 20:15:41 GMT -5
I can think of only one good thing about Trudeau - the bastard's dead.
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Post by MC Habber on Apr 17, 2005 21:50:36 GMT -5
The best part of Trudeaus legacy was his decisive action to mobilize the military, the war measures act to restrict civil liberty and ensure the safety of the country. Jeez, you sound like you're describing George W. Bush. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Toronthab on Apr 28, 2005 21:51:43 GMT -5
The thing is Trudeau wouldn't have let things go so badly. And when things get this way you know for a fact he could sort it out quickly and properly. I know Chretien ruled with an iron fist but I think that developed over time as he was continually looking over his shoulder to keep the Martin camp in check. It was a distraction and I think it ultimately cost him and the party. However, I was only a teenager during most of Trudeau's tenure. Politics wasn't really a priority with me then (thank goodness). But as time goes on I'm finding that what wasn't important to me as a teenager are now legitimate concerns. Here's my question. Was Trudeau a team player within his own party? Was he an authoritarian, or was he a facilitator? Looking back in retrospect I think he was both, but I'd like to hear some opinions as well. The two of them can take their fair share of blame, HA. Martin was consolidating his position behind the scenes for years. He got caught twice and the second time it cost him his job. And being demoted to the back benches meant he had more time to plan his campaign for the PM's office. And with that much effort focused on one area I have to ask what he has done for his constituents during his time in parliament? Also, as much as he might have been a good finance minister I'd still like to see if these surpluses in the budget are there once a non-liberal takes over the books. And if those surpluses were actually there: - why are some people still having problems getting decent health care,
- why is our higher-education institutions just getting by and some are close to cumbling?
- why are politicians claiming that the Canada Pension Plan may not be here in a few years?
I can't be the only one thinking this way. Sort of gives me an appreciation for what the American voters went through recently. Martin, Harper or Layton? There's no Trudeau that's for sure. Cheers. Trudeau was I think, oddly, a little naive in a couple of areas. Most who called him arrogant had no idea what humility is. He was an extremely intelligent man who listened very well and tried to achieve concensus according to some fine men who were his ministers. He had balls and a very strong spirit. He towered over most of us. In most things he defined humilty. He was GREAT.
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 1, 2005 21:44:08 GMT -5
He a model of intolerance and arrogance who's anti-Quebec rhetoric was so insulting and frightening it actually crystalized the Nationalist movement in Quebec. Trudeau took Canada back decades in terms of constitutional unity. His actions were those of a men who wanted to threw Quebec back in the days of the Great Darkness, he's the kind of men that could have brought the country into the hell of a civil war. Compromise, conciliation, cooperation. That’s MY Canada. 3 words absent from Trudeau's dictionary.
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