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Post by Cranky on Nov 1, 2005 23:44:19 GMT -5
It's the same old same old...... Chretien keeps telling us he didn't know ANYTHING about ANYTHING but he "saved" the country. Martin was finance minister but he didn't know where a third of a billion dollars went to. Nope, nobody at fault, nobody is responsible. Back at the ranch...... NDP is extorting money from the Liberals for pet projects like there's no tomorrow and the Liberals are giving money away as fast as they can so they cling to power. The Conservatives are not pushing their luck and the Bloc is dancing in the streets. Meanwhile..... I just received my municipal tax bills and they raised my assessment value for taxes by 15% over 1.5 years. Why NOT? We are nothing but sheep blahing all the way to the tax slaughter house. And then...... Business in my industry are barely hanging on and hoping that the new year will change or their done. When my industry complains about cheap imports and a high Canadian dollar, the govermnment says that "Canadian businesses will adjust". Yup, everything gets adjusted when bankrupty hits. And let's not forget...... That the debt-to-GDP ratio is HIGH while personal debt is reaching unstable proportions. Meanwhile, the general population ages and requires MORE pensions and MORE medical care. What a f%$& up third world country we are.......  |
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Post by jkr on Nov 5, 2005 9:35:46 GMT -5
It's What a f%$& up third world country we are....... I understand your need to vent but when you use exaggerations like this your arguments lose their steam. |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 5, 2005 12:14:09 GMT -5
There is only 2 ways things are going to change in federal politics. 1) People east of Manitoba (excluding Quebec) lose their fear of Stephen Harper. 2) Gilles Duceppe runs candidates outside Quebec. As funny as it may seem, if Duceppe runs 50 candidates in strategic atlantic constituencies, I think he could win the election. I don't know everybody in the east , but a great deal of people I have talked to wish they had the option of voting for Duceppe. He would be the best man for the PM job if it wasn't for that whole seperatist "thingy".  As of right now, we have a one party dictatorship because of the electorate. If there is no viable alternative, then the checks and balances that hold governments accountable (oppostion) are useless. It breeds corruption and complacency. And will exist until the electorate decides that they would like a new "devil". Never was a fan of the "better the devil you know" mentality. |
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 5, 2005 14:09:05 GMT -5
It's What a f%$& up third world country we are....... I understand your need to vent but when you use exaggerations like this your arguments lose their steam. Not such an exaggeration. 3 countries ban private health care by LAW. Canada is one. The other two? Cuba and North Korea! Third World? Yeah probably not. A socialist backwards nation? Heading in that direction! The CBC is our Minister of Propaganda to make Goebels envious. I would like to see Canada be a republic. The PM wields more personal power than the American president, virtually no oversight, virtually no checks and balances. Very little democracy and we take our freedom for granted as Canadians. Prediction: The Liberals come back with a MAJORITY government this time around thus proving Canadians newfound rep as Sheep. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 5, 2005 14:43:54 GMT -5
The Federal Concept is robbing the provinces blind, pumping out billions that they don't know what to do with and turn into stupid money pit projects. When there is that much money lying around and nobody really sure what to do with it, corruption will grow…
Harper does nothing to crush the idea that his party is only a spin off of the old Reform but without the ideas, the transparence and the honesty that Manning had. An empty shell.
By allowing themselves to be bought out to contribute in maintaining the most corrupted government this country has ever seen, Leighton and his NDP committed political suicide.
Duceppe and the Bloc are a party with no real purpose that lives off the "…I won't vote for them friggin' Liberals…" mentality present in a great percentage of the Quebec population. The great paradox of course is that this great bloc majority in Quebec helps out the Liberals.
The scandals, the stagnant economy, our insignificant external policies and world presence, the billions thrown at this stupid and useless service of the Queen and worst than all, the absence of true democracy and accountability. This country is beyond repair folks. I ceased to believe in the Federation in its present state years ago and more than ever deeply wish for a renewed political and economical partnership among the regions that form our current country. I just wish a majority of fellow Canadians could tune into reality instead of living in the past.
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Post by franko on Nov 5, 2005 19:00:11 GMT -5
The Harper does nothing to crush the idea that his party is only a spin off of the old Reform but without the ideas, the transparence and the honesty that Manning had. An empty shell. Harper has more of a problem than image (though it is a huge one. He is seen to be steering a rudderless ship . . . told his party needs policy . . . but every time he comes out with new policy the Liberals incorporate it into their own, say see, we are doing something, and win. This time the Concervatives are waiting to announce policy (though I'll still vote Green). |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 6, 2005 0:21:00 GMT -5
I understand your need to vent but when you use exaggerations like this your arguments lose their steam. Not such an exaggeration. 3 countries ban private health care by LAW. Canada is one. The other two? Cuba and North Korea! Third World? Yeah probably not. A socialist backwards nation? Heading in that direction! The CBC is our Minister of Propaganda to make Goebels envious. I would like to see Canada be a republic. The PM wields more personal power than the American president, virtually no oversight, virtually no checks and balances. Very little democracy and we take our freedom for granted as Canadians. Prediction: The Liberals come back with a MAJORITY government this time around thus proving Canadians newfound rep as Sheep. The problem with allowing private health care are not that insignificant. 1. People and companies already pay a fortune for Medicare. It HAS to work. 2. Private health care is about profits. Because of family history, about three weeks ago, we brought in an insurance agent and asked him what was available to help with a potential problem. One of the policies Mr. Slick offered was "First Doctors". After about ten minutes of beating around the bush, we found out it was nothing more then "private consultation" insurance. What a crock! Then he offered a policy so obtuse, it took half an hour to get a straight answer from Mr. Slick. He basically offered an insurance that "maneuvered" around the public health system. I asked him REPEATEDLY what the hell does that mean and all he could answer was "maneuver". Nothing real or concrete, just hot air BS. It would be funny except that these "insurance plans" run into THOUSANDS a year and all they are are a well organized con. In the end, all you can get is cash payout or monetary assistance assistance with new drugs. Why am I bringing it up? Because if you let the private health care system through the door, they will do everything humanly possible to bust the confidence in the public system. After all, they are in it for the money and nothing makes money like holding peoples lives by the strings. Who amongst us will not spend a fortune to save our beloved ones? That's EXACTLY what the private health care wants to hear in order to sell you everything you need and a lot more that you don't. NO THANK YOU! Fix the public one. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 6, 2005 0:23:57 GMT -5
The Federal Concept is robbing the provinces blind, pumping out billions that they don't know what to do with and turn into stupid money pit projects. When there is that much money lying around and nobody really sure what to do with it, corruption will grow… Harper does nothing to crush the idea that his party is only a spin off of the old Reform but without the ideas, the transparence and the honesty that Manning had. An empty shell. By allowing themselves to be bought out to contribute in maintaining the most corrupted government this country has ever seen, Leighton and his NDP committed political suicide. Duceppe and the Bloc are a party with no real purpose that lives off the "…I won't vote for them friggin' Liberals…" mentality present in a great percentage of the Quebec population. The great paradox of course is that this great bloc majority in Quebec helps out the Liberals. The scandals, the stagnant economy, our insignificant external policies and world presence, the billions thrown at this stupid and useless service of the Queen and worst than all, the absence of true democracy and accountability. This country is beyond repair folks. I ceased to believe in the Federation in its present state years ago and more than ever deeply wish for a renewed political and economical partnership among the regions that form our current country. I just wish a majority of fellow Canadians could tune into reality instead of living in the past. We need a new party and a new mentality for the politicians. Tearing the country apart will not give that to us. In fact, with the short sighted corrupt politicians we now have, it will be more likely that they will take the tearing of the country to advance their "careers". If a meteor hit Parliament tomorrow, I would welcome that as a sign from God.  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 6, 2005 0:29:36 GMT -5
The Harper does nothing to crush the idea that his party is only a spin off of the old Reform but without the ideas, the transparence and the honesty that Manning had. An empty shell. Harper has more of a problem than image (though it is a huge one. He is seen to be steering a rudderless ship . . . told his party needs policy . . . but every time he comes out with new policy the Liberals incorporate it into their own, say see, we are doing something, and win. This time the Concervatives are waiting to announce policy (though I'll still vote Green). So the Green party will solve our problems? Or do we really need someone to tell us that farting will create enough wind to power all of Canada's needs and tricycles are the answer to the question of life. I have YET to hear a SINGLE Green speak INTELLIGENTLY about energy or transportation. |
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Post by franko on Nov 6, 2005 3:12:32 GMT -5
So the Green party will solve our problems? Or do we really need someone to tell us that farting will create enough wind to power all of Canada's needs and tricycles are the answer to the question of life. I have YET to hear a SINGLE Green speak INTELLIGENTLY about energy or transportation. You must look beyond the old Green to the new Green. What does that mean, you ask? Old Greens were uni-dimentional: Save the whales, save the whales, save the whales (you know, like Enya sings) -- NDP without the colour orange, imo. New Greens have a broader policy that includes defence, education, and . . . well, the gamut. Disagree with some; agree with other. Like the (I think Ontario provincial) party's property tax assessment idea: tax based on front footage rather than value of possible sale. Unfair to the one who lets his house deteriorate and travels the world/goes to Casino du Lac-Leamy and loses a bundle? Perhaps. But why should I take care of my house and invest in the local economy and be penalized for it? Beyond that, don't ask me to speak intellegently about much! ;D However, I do know David Chernushenko, who ran for the GP in Ottawa Centre (against Ed Broadbent -- ya, he had a chance to win, all right), and he is well spoken, intellegent, and not (my problem with many politicians) overbearing nor rude. As to Gomery . . . come on, did you really expect anything different? |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 6, 2005 12:18:23 GMT -5
Beyond that, don't ask me to speak intellegently about much! ;D However, I do know David Chernushenko, who ran for the GP in Ottawa Centre (against Ed Broadbent -- ya, he had a chance to win, all right), and he is well spoken, intellegent, and not (my problem with many politicians) overbearing nor rude. ? Beyond that, don't ask me to speak intellegently about much! ;D However, I do know David Chernushenko, who ran for the GP in Ottawa Centre (against Ed Broadbent -- ya, he had a chance to win, all right), and he is well spoken, intellegent, and not (my problem with many politicians) overbearing nor rude. As to Gomery . . . come on, did you really expect anything different? Franko, My comment about "speaking intelligently" was NOT directed at you and I apologize if it appeared that way. My comment was DIRECTED at Green parties "alternate energy" solutions that are nothing more then hot air. They will have us eat burritos day and night to power the windmills and shine our flashlights at solar panels to provide electricity. Even worse is that Greene's AND Liberals are trying to turn much needed consummation of energy into a sin. You know what those Liberal commercials in Ontario are all about? To make you the CULPRIT for using energy so suck it up when you get hosed on your electrical bill. "You cook and dry your clothes? To bad that you have to pay outrageous energy bills". Just plain old bullSaperlipopette. The politicians have to get off their asses and build clean coal fired plants or nuclear plants. End of story. Sure, we can toss a few windmills and solar panels for eye candy but the can NEVER, EVER, EVER replace mass energy production. Do you know how many ENORMOUS windmills we will need to power Ontario? Try 26,000 of them IF we have a 30 mph constant wind. Then of course, if the wind is not blowing we will shut down everything. That's where burritos come in handy. Shall we talk of how many birds will get killed by those towers? Try millions. Solar panels? Sure. My parents have solar powered hot water in GREECE. Sunny GREECE. And yet we use to run out of hot water in winter. Now I have TWO enormous solar water heaters and a complete subsystem that I designed in order to keep them in water year round. Now their roof is covered with solar panels. That's JUST for hot water. What about electricity? I would need an area TWICE as LARGE and a battery system to even come close to their electrical use. If that is what I had to do and that is what they needed in SUNNY Greece, what the hell do we need in Ontario? Half of Ontario covered with solar panels and a house size lead acid batteries on every street corner? How about every square inch of roofing in Ontario taken up JUST for heating your hot water? And pray that it is not overcast more then a few days. Oh, before I forget, the system will cost you at least $10-15,000 JUST for hot water and needs replacement every 15 to 20 years. Like it or not, there is NO alternative but nuclear or coal for mass energy production. Right NOW, cleaner coal plants produce electrical energy at 2.3 CENTS and nuclear can produce at 2 CENTS. That's reality. Of course, if we LOVE huge electrical bills, we will find out how much fun they are this summer when the cap comes off in Ontario. Shall we talk about what will happen to our wood industry with the Green parties "no cut" policy? Wood houses? Bah, I'm cornering ther market on caves. What about their "no smokestacks" policy? Jobs? Internet junkies selling junk bonds to each other? Ooops, we can't use "abuse" electricity so it will have to be "string on a can" telephones. The last "off center" party was the NDP in Ontario and they managed to create a wonderful "made in Ontario" recession. I still remember people just itching to be laid off so they can collect welfare AND take that part time job on the side. Back in the NDP heyday, there is nothing more wonderful to hear then a potential employee telling you that they can "make more" on welfare then your lousy $12-$14 hour job. Anyway.....enough of my rant. We will all vote with what we feel is the best solution. Unfortunately, "best" now days is nothing more then a choice of what is the least putrid selection amongst in the slimey political petri dish. Imagine the "beauty" of 26,000 of theses babies spinning on a windy day!  |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 6, 2005 12:31:09 GMT -5
Ve need a strong leader, zen ve vill have order!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 6, 2005 13:08:38 GMT -5
We need a new party and a new mentality for the politicians. Tearing the country apart will not give that to us. In fact, with the short sighted corrupt politicians we now have, it will be more likely that they will take the tearing of the country to advance their "careers". If a meteor hit Parliament tomorrow, I would welcome that as a sign from God. Seperation, tearing, breaking. Just words HA. Words, you'll agree, mostly used by the corrupted Liberals that are terrified that the power of this nation goes back to the people that makes it and out of their greedy hands... By refusing to entertain ideas about how this nation could be fortified with a strong coast to coast alliance that DOES NOT rely on a big, centralized government, Canadians are moving at a steady pace towards a huge brick wall. Defining, building, questioning, breaking down barriers, crushing pre-made thoughts and letting every region contribute with their strenghts is how we'll move forward. Trying to retro-fit everyone into the same mold smell of communism. |
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Post by HABsurd on Nov 6, 2005 16:07:41 GMT -5
There is only 2 ways things are going to change in federal politics. 1) People east of Manitoba (excluding Quebec) lose their fear of Stephen Harper. 2) Gilles Duceppe runs candidates outside Quebec. As funny as it may seem, if Duceppe runs 50 candidates in strategic atlantic constituencies, I think he could win the election. I don't know everybody in the east , but a great deal of people I have talked to wish they had the option of voting for Duceppe. He would be the best man for the PM job if it wasn't for that whole seperatist "thingy". it is a poor marketing strategy to blame poor products sales on the customer. maybe one day the conservative party will realise that its brand of social conservatism is not attractive to urban and eastern canadians. the bloc's raison d'etre is to represent the interests of quebec. if they started to field candidates in other provinces they would lose credibility on this score and lose credibility and seats in quebec. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 6, 2005 18:41:24 GMT -5
the bloc's raison d'etre is to represent the interests of quebec. if they started to field candidates in other provinces they would lose credibility on this score and lose credibility and seats in quebec. the Bloc's raison d'être was to promote Bouchard in the front seat, something he failed to do in the 3 other parties he took part in... The Bloc doesn't mean much to me aside from getting the message across that the current political setting of this country is totally outdated and doesn't fit what I and many other Canadians truly want. I was a great supporter (and still am) of Preston Manning. He made me into what is called a soft separatist because at some point in my life I realized that there was no way I was going to continue supporting the traditional parties and in Quebec, our only way out is the Bloc. It may sound weird, but a lot of french people I speak to in Quebec, actually feel that Manning had the best grasp on what our country needed to become. I wish Westerners would give The Reform another go, this time around they'd make it. |
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Post by HABsurd on Nov 6, 2005 19:26:29 GMT -5
the bloc's raison d'etre is to represent the interests of quebec. if they started to field candidates in other provinces they would lose credibility on this score and lose credibility and seats in quebec. the Bloc's raison d'être was to promote Bouchard in the front seat, something he failed to do in the 3 other parties he took part in... The Bloc doesn't mean much to me aside from getting the message across that the current political setting of this country is totally outdated and doesn't fit what I and many other Canadians truly want. I was a great supporter (and still am) of Preston Manning. He made me into what is called a soft separatist because at some point in my life I realized that there was no way I was going to continue supporting the traditional parties and in Quebec, our only way out is the Bloc. It may sound weird, but a lot of french people I speak to in Quebec, actually feel that Manning had the best grasp on what our country needed to become. I wish Westerners would give The Reform another go, this time around they'd make it. well, bouchard is no longer part of the bloc. so presently the bloc's message to voters is that they are the only party to represent the interests of quebec exclusively. the other parties are forced to take into account the interests of all parties. perhaps we speak to different people. while i agree that reform desire to devolve power to the provinces is attractive in quebec, the social christian-based conservatism on issues such as same-sex marriage, gun control, law and order is a non-starter in quebec. and how many people in quebec would agree to a EEE senate? anyways, the reform ad campaign where they said that too many prime ministers have been from quebec have pretty well killed any hope they had of a quebec breakthrough. |
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Post by franko on Nov 6, 2005 21:16:35 GMT -5
anyways, the reform ad campaign where they said that too many prime ministers have been from quebec have pretty well killed any hope they had of a quebec breakthrough. The Reform Party has gone through a couple of incarnations, leaders, and policy conventions since Preston's days. The Reform Party is gone. Media just brings the spectre of Refooorrrrmmm every time the Liberals dip in the polls. The no more PMs from Quebec gambit failed miserably (I think that Harper has Preston's old policy advisers helping him, which is why he does so poorly). It was a bone thrown to Alberta (unneeded), Ontario (unheeded), and the Atlantic provinces (can't think of alliteration here). Ontario holds the power of the winning party. Liberals still have a lock. Minority government. Eventually. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 7, 2005 1:51:55 GMT -5
Liberals still have a lock. Minority government. Eventually. ...and that's why I can't stand them. Their like a freaken nightmare that I can't wake up from. They legaly steal our HARD EARNED money and waste it on themselves or their pet pojects and it seems that there is NOTHING to stop them. Are Canadians Liberal sheep-on-a-nose-ring or the alternatives turning us into sheep? Either way, it's FUSTRATING. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 7, 2005 1:56:10 GMT -5
Baa baa Martin, have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full!
One for the master, one for the dame,
And one for me who lives down the lane.
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Post by franko on Nov 7, 2005 3:36:50 GMT -5
Liberals still have a lock. Minority government. Eventually. ...and that's why I can't stand them. Don't blame them -- they do what politicians do -- whatever it takes to stay in power. Yes. Liberals take our money, tell us if there's any left at the end of the year they'll give it back to us, then conveniently hide it/spend it/pocket it. Next year, they say. Next year there'll be more money for ________ (fll in the blank: education, health care, defense . . . ). Like puppies sheep we wait, hear "oops, cupboard's bare", and wait for the next next year. Do we learn? Umm . . . how many years have the Liberals been in power? They say be afraid of the Conservatives -- they're scary. What? More scary that what's in power now?
The thing that gets me is that Martin stabbed Chrétien in the back waited all those years for the little guy from Shawinigan to retire, had all those years to prepare for his coronation leadership fight, and when he became PM . . . diddley! Chrétien may have been an arrogant so-and-so by the time he retired (still is, it seems), but at least he had the kohonas to make an occasional decision.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 7, 2005 12:37:58 GMT -5
1) People east of Manitoba (excluding Quebec) lose their fear of Stephen Harper. The East will never vote Harper in......to much reform. If Peter MacKay ever decides he wants to lead the party, which he will soon enough. Then the East will vote for the Conservatives. |
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 7, 2005 13:53:12 GMT -5
1) People east of Manitoba (excluding Quebec) lose their fear of Stephen Harper. The East will never vote Harper in......to much reform. If Peter MacKay ever decides he wants to lead the party, which he will soon enough. Then the East will vote for the Conservatives. Tell the truth, the east will never vote from somebody from the west. Harper is from Alberta so he is a Pariah. MacKay is from the Atlantic so he's OK right? Yeah that reform is pretty scary, reform turned Alta into an economic powerhouse. (well that and a whole bunch of texas tea, but reformed thinking as well) |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 7, 2005 14:39:26 GMT -5
The East will never vote Harper in......to much reform. If Peter MacKay ever decides he wants to lead the party, which he will soon enough. Then the East will vote for the Conservatives. Tell the truth, the east will never vote from somebody from the west. Harper is from Alberta so he is a Pariah. MacKay is from the Atlantic so he's OK right? Yeah that reform is pretty scary, reform turned Alta into an economic powerhouse. (well that and a whole bunch of texas tea, but reformed thinking as well) LOL, I guess you can say that, but its more because we don't really know the guy and coming from a reform back ground certainly doesn't help him at all. "Reform" is a bad word in the East and anyone who is associated with the word doesn't have a chance. Peter Mackay is from a very very strong Conservative back ground and is almost worshiped here in the East. If he was the party leader there is no doubt he would win. However, I myself am an old reformer from way back and I don't like Harper, its sad to say I never voted in the last Federal election because I didn't like any of them. |
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Post by roke on Nov 7, 2005 15:04:07 GMT -5
Tell the truth, the east will never vote from somebody from the west. Harper is from Alberta so he is a Pariah. MacKay is from the Atlantic so he's OK right? Yeah that reform is pretty scary, reform turned Alta into an economic powerhouse. (well that and a whole bunch of texas tea, but reformed thinking as well) LOL, I guess you can say that, but its more because we don't really know the guy and coming from a reform back ground certainly doesn't help him at all. "Reform" is a bad word in the East and anyone who is associated with the word doesn't have a chance. Peter Mackay is from a very very strong Conservative back ground and is almost worshiped here in the East. If he was the party leader there is no doubt he would win. However, I myself am an old reformer from way back and I don't like Harper, its sad to say I never voted in the last Federal election because I didn't like any of them. I'm another person who doesn't like Harper but then again I'm not much of a Conservative on most issues (I'm usually all over the place). I believe that had Peter Mackay been the leader at the time of the last confidence vote this Spring we would have seen at least a minority Conservative Government but unforutuneatly that wasn't the case. |
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Post by franko on Nov 7, 2005 23:34:43 GMT -5
It's the same old same old...... Time for change: HA for Prime Minister [/color] on the HabsRus [/color] ticket. Party colours (of course) Bleu , Blanc , et Rouge ! |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 8, 2005 6:18:43 GMT -5
It's the same old same old...... Time for change: HA for Prime Minister [/color] on the HabsRus [/color] ticket. Party colours (of course) Bleu , Blanc , et Rouge ![/quote] The traditional colours are there, alright. It's the "blank" that worries me. I think he'll need to clearly define his platform lest we be whitewashed again by another Prime Minister |
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Post by franko on Nov 8, 2005 19:10:26 GMT -5
Time for change: HA for Prime Minister [/color] on the HabsRus [/color] ticket. Party colours (of course) Bleu , Blanc , et Rouge ![/quote] The traditional colours are there, alright. It's the "blank" that worries me. I think he'll need to clearly define his platform lest we be whitewashed again by another Prime Minister[/quote] Ahhh . . . you hit the meaning. Bleu for his mood when he realizes he has not been crowned PM of Canada (let alone anointed Emporer of the World; Rouge for either his eyes from weeping in his beer after the votes have been counted or the state of his bank account after paying for said beer, and Blanc for well-thought and well articulated party policy. |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 8, 2005 22:16:04 GMT -5
The traditional colours are there, alright. It's the "blank" that worries me. I think he'll need to clearly define his platform lest we be whitewashed again by another Prime Minister Ahhh . . . you hit the meaning. Bleu for his mood when he realizes he has not been crowned PM of Canada (let alone anointed Emporer of the World; Rouge for either his eyes from weeping in his beer after the votes have been counted or the state of his bank account after paying for said beer, and Blanc for well-thought and well articulated party policy. Nobody knows what happened............  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 8, 2005 22:35:05 GMT -5
Time for change: HA for Prime Minister [/color] on the HabsRus [/color] ticket. Party colours (of course) Bleu , Blanc , et Rouge ![/quote] The traditional colours are there, alright. It's the "blank" that worries me. I think he'll need to clearly define his platform lest we be whitewashed again by another Prime Minister[/quote] Your taking over from Belinda, I'm making you Minister of Intelligence Gathering.......  |
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Post by roke on Nov 8, 2005 22:37:40 GMT -5
The traditional colours are there, alright. It's the "blank" that worries me. I think he'll need to clearly define his platform lest we be whitewashed again by another Prime Minister Your taking over from Belinda, I'm making you Minister of Intelligence Gathering....... There goes the animal activist vote HabsAddict  . |
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