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Post by MC Habber on Dec 9, 2005 18:18:07 GMT -5
Going to AltaVista and doing a search for "Paul Martin" handgun brings up 33,000 results. Restricting the dates of the search to pages from before November 1st, 2005 brings up only 656 results. In other words, according to AltaVista, over 98% of web pages containing both the terms handgun and " Paul Martin" have been created or updated in the last month. By contrast, the number of search results for the phrase "Paul Martin" alone only changes from 5 million to 1.5 million when using the same date restriction. I think it tells you something about how concerned Paul Martin was about the issue prior to this election campaign....
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 9, 2005 20:23:54 GMT -5
Going to AltaVista and doing a search for "Paul Martin" handgun brings up 33,000 results. Restricting the dates of the search to pages from before November 1st, 2005 brings up only 656 results. In other words, according to AltaVista, over 98% of web pages containing both the terms handgun and " Paul Martin" have been created or updated in the last month. By contrast, the number of search results for the phrase "Paul Martin" alone only changes from 5 million to 1.5 million when using the same date restriction. I think it tells you something about how concerned Paul Martin was about the issue prior to this election campaign.... So you're saying that Liberals have never had much interest in gun control issues? Interesting. Have I missed somethng from the Conservatives and the NRA who are politicing in Canada. Have they been the ones all along? Who knew? Mayor Miller has endorsed the program. Shold we tell him its too convenient. I really don't get the cynicism.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 10, 2005 14:36:08 GMT -5
Guns don't kill people ... people kill people.
I would be interested in knowing how many criminals were caught over the last few years because they used a registered gun? I'll bet it is a low number, really low. Banning guns is not going to solve the problem. What it shows is that you were informed of a problem and decided that something had to be done, but it wasn't thought through to its logical conclusion. If a criminal on the streets of Toronto (cause this poilicy was to garner favour with the Ontario vote) wants a gun, he will get a gun and isn't going to be too worried that they are banned.
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 10, 2005 15:11:57 GMT -5
Guns don't kill people ... people kill people. I would be interested in knowing how many criminals were caught over the last few years because they used a registered gun? I'll bet it is a low number, really low. Banning guns is not going to solve the problem. What it shows is that you were informed of a problem and decided that something had to be done, but it wasn't thought through to its logical conclusion. If a criminal on the streets of Toronto (cause this poilicy was to garner favour with the Ontario vote) wants a gun, he will get a gun and isn't going to be too worried that they are banned. Banning guns in Canada when you have the US as neighbors is like trying to empty and ocean with a teaspoon. Would I register a gun? NEVER! Think about it. If you have a certain caliber of gun and your neighbor just happens to be killed by the same caliber gun, they are knocking on YOUR door in an instant. You are now guilty until you and your gun prove yourself innocent. If you happen to have a .38 or a 9mm, well, you might as well account for every minute of your life. The registry does NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to deter criminals from acquiring any gun they want. Toronto chief of police DECLARED several years ago how it was going to deter gang gun violence. Sure, that is why it's now at an all time high. Another justification by the Police Association was that it would tell them what type of weapon would be used in case of domestic gun violence. Like it matter if they show up and someone is killed by a .38 or a 9mm? A friend of mine who is a cop. When I talked to him about the gun registry, he told me it ws a finiancial BOON for retired cops. They charge $100 or more on a few hour gun courses. When I asked him if it makes any difference on the street, he just laughed...and laughed...and laughed. In Toronto, any gun is available ANYTIME to ANYONE with a bit of CASH. Another lame, sad sack, vote getting, stupidly thought out, "feel good", does nothing, cost bludgeoning policy by the brilliant Liberals.
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 10, 2005 18:09:37 GMT -5
Guns don't kill people ... people kill people. Yeah, but guns make that a lot easier (especially accidental deaths). I'm all for a gun-free society, but I'm not sure that making guns illegal will do much to achieve that.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Dec 10, 2005 18:12:49 GMT -5
Anyone here smoke pot?
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Post by franko on Dec 11, 2005 8:02:37 GMT -5
'Life will never be the same for anyone'Slain woman's boyfriend devastated, man's father says Don Campbell, The Ottawa Citizen Published: Saturday, December 10, 2005K'Leigh Cundall and her boyfriend, Joshua Fletcher, were scheduled to curl head-to-head at the RA Curling Club Wednesday night.
But Ms. Cundall had two exams scheduled for Thursday at the University of Ottawa and Mr. Fletcher was just wrapping up a two-day business trip, so their rinks played with spares while she studied and he made his way home to Ottawa.
Within 24 hours, the possibility of a life together was snuffed out.
Police believe Ms. Cundall's former boyfriend, Anthony Roach, 21, showed up unannounced at her New Edinburgh apartment and ambushed her with a knife while her current beau was on the phone and just minutes from her home. © The Ottawa Citizen 2005 Next Liberal promise . . . a knife registry?
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Post by Skilly on Dec 11, 2005 10:45:36 GMT -5
Guns don't kill people ... people kill people. Yeah, but guns make that a lot easier (especially accidental deaths). I'm all for a gun-free society, but I'm not sure that making guns illegal will do much to achieve that. Totally agree. I am reminding of an accident here about 2 or 3 years ago. A father and son were out moose hunting (I bet you know where this is going), and a moose was spotting a few hundred yards away. The son steadied his gun on the hood of the truck and shot at the same instant his father walked past the truck and he killed his dad. Accidents do happen, and yes the mere existence of guns will inevitably mean that there will be deaths (accidental or otherwise), but forcing people to register guns or outright banning a type of gun is in essence a penalty on law-abiding citizens. Criminals are going to get their guns no matter what, so why should honest people have to be taxed?
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 11, 2005 10:46:38 GMT -5
Next Liberal promise . . . a knife registry? Damn straight there's going to be a knife registry! Fork also need to be controlled and last but not least, a p*n*s registry. Well, actually p*n*s over 3 inches otherwise they would be exempt. You NEVER know when somone with an oversized p*n*s will use it as a weapon. But fear not, the Liberals are PROMISING it will ONLY cost 5 billion for the knives, 4 billion for the forks and perhaps if all oversized males elect to have surgery to remove a foot or two from their p*n*s then they don't need to register them. Vote Liberal! Vote for a safe p*n*s society!
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Post by Skilly on Dec 11, 2005 10:52:21 GMT -5
A few feet .... Cripes man dont go telling my wife that!!!!
She still thinks this is six inches!! <-------------> ;D
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 11, 2005 10:57:54 GMT -5
I learned to use a gun from a very young age. I still remember going out to the woods hunting rabbits with my father, and later with my friends. What is wrong with that? What is wrong with enjoying every sound and smell of the great outdoors and the company of friends while putting a bit of food on the table?
Accidents happen every minute of the day. Drivers who don't know how to drive kill far more people then a thousand years of gun accidents. I don't hear people screaming that there should be a ban on them from driving.
Registering guns is a "feel good" solution to a much deeper social/economic problems. There is no way any politician can tackle that so they might as well make you believe that they are doing something by blaming it on a inanimate object.
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 11, 2005 17:55:28 GMT -5
I learned to use a gun from a very young age. I still remember going out to the woods hunting rabbits with my father, and later with my friends. What is wrong with that? What is wrong with enjoying every sound and smell of the great outdoors and the company of friends while putting a bit of food on the table? You mean aside from killing innocent little bunnies?? ;D ;D Hunting is one thing, but people (especially in cities) keeping guns in the house "just in case" is something else. I don't think it makes society safer - quite the opposite actually. That's the only immediate possibly good thing that could come out of banning guns IMO* - people who keep guns around for no real reason might get rid of them. That would, on balance I think, make people safer and produce a more "friendly" society, although I don't have any statistics on how many deaths are caused by these guns (but I suppose school shootings would be reduced). However, it would do almost nothing to address the real problem of gun violence. *Well, that and the fact that the police would be able to arrest anybody they saw carrying a handgun. I'm sure that would prevent some crime, but I doubt it would be much.
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Post by PTH on Dec 11, 2005 18:06:07 GMT -5
Yeah, but guns make that a lot easier (especially accidental deaths). I'm all for a gun-free society, but I'm not sure that making guns illegal will do much to achieve that. Totally agree...... Criminals are going to get their guns no matter what, so why should honest people have to be taxed? Well, the thing is, if guns are illegal, then even criminals won't be able to get their hands on them. They just won't be out there. That's the theory, but with the US going gun-crazy next door, I wonder if we really could benefit from tighter rules. All that being said, let's keep in mind that this is another issue where Quebec has a different point of view. Quebecers are very pro-gun control (especially since Polytechnique), and I wouldn't be surprised if this weren't a Liberal attempt at getting more votes out of Quebec. Quebecers know that a vote for the bloc increases the odds of the Conservatives taking power, and Conservatives will definitely not be in favour of gun control.
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 11, 2005 18:11:03 GMT -5
Totally agree...... Criminals are going to get their guns no matter what, so why should honest people have to be taxed? Well, the thing is, if guns are illegal, then even criminals won't be able to get their hands on them. They just won't be out there. That's the theory, but with the US going gun-crazy next door, I wonder if we really could benefit from tighter rules. But there are already ton of guns out there that are not just going to be turned in. Even if it weren't so easy to bring guns across the border (and it is easy), it would take a long time before the guns already in criminal hands were retrieved. In some ways, it would make more sense to ban the sale of ammunition. Hmm, I never thought of that. Very clever these Liberals.
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 11, 2005 22:30:19 GMT -5
Totally agree...... Criminals are going to get their guns no matter what, so why should honest people have to be taxed? Well, the thing is, if guns are illegal, then even criminals won't be able to get their hands on them. They just won't be out there. That's the theory, but with the US going gun-crazy next door, I wonder if we really could benefit from tighter rules. All that being said, let's keep in mind that this is another issue where Quebec has a different point of view. Quebecers are very pro-gun control (especially since Polytechnique), and I wouldn't be surprised if this weren't a Liberal attempt at getting more votes out of Quebec. Quebecers know that a vote for the bloc increases the odds of the Conservatives taking power, and Conservatives will definitely not be in favour of gun control. How about one good reason why we should allow handguns in our neighborhoods that outweighs the carnage they cause in out communities. If guns are safe and don't kill people, why not give them to teens at puberty. After all, we're not prone to irrational outbursts of rage and violence are we? We should all walk around with loaded lethal weapons shouldn't we? We can all be trusted can't we? The police are just stupid to support gun control and registration, aren't they?. Ridiculous that they want to know if there's a lethal weapon in the house before they answer a drinken family fight call, right? Stupid of them not to ask for the registration of bread knives, huh? Boy thye're dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2005 23:09:07 GMT -5
You really need a fix, huh?
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 11, 2005 23:13:19 GMT -5
Totally agree...... Criminals are going to get their guns no matter what, so why should honest people have to be taxed? Well, the thing is, if guns are illegal, then even criminals won't be able to get their hands on them. They just won't be out there. That's the theory, but with the US going gun-crazy next door, I wonder if we really could benefit from tighter rules. All that being said, let's keep in mind that this is another issue where Quebec has a different point of view. Quebecers are very pro-gun control (especially since Polytechnique), and I wouldn't be surprised if this weren't a Liberal attempt at getting more votes out of Quebec. Quebecers know that a vote for the bloc increases the odds of the Conservatives taking power, and Conservatives will definitely not be in favour of gun control. As best anyone can tell, the impetus for this move arises from Liberal Ontario MP's concerns about the proliferation of handguns in Toronto. More Canadians including Quebecers support the Liberals generally, because that's the way we think on most issues. Parties emerge from the people, not people from parties.
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 12, 2005 0:08:45 GMT -5
More Canadians including Quebecers support the Liberals generally, because that's the way we think on most issues. Parties emerge from the people, not people from parties. Almost two thirds of Canadians who voted in the last federal election voted for parties other than the Liberals.
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 17, 2005 12:54:13 GMT -5
More Canadians including Quebecers support the Liberals generally, because that's the way we think on most issues. Parties emerge from the people, not people from parties. Almost two thirds of Canadians who voted in the last federal election voted for parties other than the Liberals. True, but many more trusted the Liberals, as they have since confederation, to run the country. They're perceived as being more intelligent, realistic, compassionate, independently-minded and less tied to money interests. The left and fight are more often thatn not perceived as ideologues, the Conservatives around laisez-faire money and government run unjustifiable homicides, and the NDP as matriarchal and unrealistic. The liberals have significantly helped a lot of Canadians, but certainly not all build a country with a lot to go for it.
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 17, 2005 12:56:04 GMT -5
Boston seems to have had a lot of recent success in bringing down the terrible murder rates of our fatherless society. tinyurl.com/ceeot
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 17, 2005 14:02:06 GMT -5
With handguns passed out in Detroit like coupons with a purchase of crack, banning them in Canada will have the same effect as banning handguns in Iraq. Passing laws that are good on the surface but have no hope of being enforced doesn't make much sense. It's like Jacques Chirac criticizing the barbaric American death penalty from a podium built on a guillotine. King Canut had a better chance of success.
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Post by The Habsome One on Dec 17, 2005 17:05:52 GMT -5
More Canadians including Quebecers support the Liberals generally, because that's the way we think on most issues. Parties emerge from the people, not people from parties. The majority is easily brainwashed. Here, just like in the States. You think most Americans really like Bush? Do Canadians really like being robbed and lied to constantly? No. But there is something compelling the public to look the other way. Most in the US and Canada are generally content with their own lives right now and don't know what a change would mean to them. Throw in all the fabricated bad stuff they hear (from the heavily corrupt governing party) about the opposition, and the people turn into sheep. It's disgusting.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Dec 17, 2005 17:16:14 GMT -5
You really need a fix, huh? Just wondering how people felt about lethalizing legalizing it.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Dec 17, 2005 17:17:30 GMT -5
More Canadians including Quebecers support the Liberals generally, because that's the way we think on most issues. Parties emerge from the people, not people from parties. The majority is easily brainwashed. Here, just like in the States. You think most Americans really like Bush? Do Canadians really like being robbed and lied to constantly? No. But there is something compelling the public to look the other way. Most in the US and Canada are generally content with their own lives right now and don't know what a change would mean to them. Throw in all the fabricated bad stuff they hear (from the heavily corrupt governing party) about the opposition, and the people turn into sheep. It's disgusting. Instilling fear is one of the keys to the alpha-male primate's climb to "success".
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 17, 2005 17:43:54 GMT -5
The majority is easily brainwashed. Here, just like in the States. You think most Americans really like Bush? Do Canadians really like being robbed and lied to constantly? No. But there is something compelling the public to look the other way. Most in the US and Canada are generally content with their own lives right now and don't know what a change would mean to them. Throw in all the fabricated bad stuff they hear (from the heavily corrupt governing party) about the opposition, and the people turn into sheep. It's disgusting. Right on. The general public doesn't want to think too much. They want things to be laid out so they can make the easy choice. Worse still, the party in power is playing the seperation card to the Nth degree. "Vote for them and the country will disintegrate."
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Post by franko on Dec 17, 2005 17:52:43 GMT -5
"Vote for them and the country will disintegrate." Paul Martin and the Saviour complex. But there's already been one:
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Post by Skilly on Dec 21, 2005 22:14:05 GMT -5
"Vote for them and the country will disintegrate." Paul Martin and the Saviour complex. But there's already been one: That depends on what religion you are and if you think the "Da Vinci Code" is more than a novel.
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