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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 8, 2006 23:30:12 GMT -5
The US should begin testing H-bombs again.
Preferably in North Korea.
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Post by cigarviper on Oct 9, 2006 12:39:15 GMT -5
It's a crazy world, but then again, was it ever any different?
I hate to admit it, but as this unfolds I'm more of the thinking that the military response is the only right response. North Korea is a very poor country. Their weapons and technology has always for sale to the highest bidder. It goes without saying that if the wrong people come knocking with cash in hand it bodes poorly for everyone. Sanctions will only lower the price. Clearly, something has to be done sooner rather than later.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 9, 2006 15:51:42 GMT -5
This is great news. Actually, this could be the best thing that could happen for the West and the US long term interests.
1.a. Japan will re-militarize, the perfect counterweight to China's growing hegemony. In fact, China was sitting back and enjoying the US financial bleeding it gets over Iraq. Now they will either have to jump into the quicksand of war to get rid of Kim's regime or let the entire region become a nuclear forest. NOT good for China's hegemony.
1.b. If they go in and get rid of Kim, then the North Korean populace will rather unite with South Korea then become a puppet state of Beijing. So the Chinese effectively cleared the path for a much stronger Korea. NOT good for China's hegemony.
2. The South Korean new generation thought that N.K. as just a misguided, crazy brother who you would join the family in time. Now he has nukes and is FAR more dangerous then any pacifist can imagine. In fact, it would be suicidal for SK not to arm themselves with nukes and HUG the 40-80,000 Americans stationed there. Good for the US, not good for China hegemony.
3. It makes Iran bolder for nuclear weapons.......thus scarring the HELL out of the Entire Middle east and driving it straight into American/West hegemony. Not good for China and OIL interests.
4. It wakes up Canadians from the stupor of "peace-dividend" politics. Kim-F*cks nukes can reach Vancouver easier then it can reach Seattle. GREAT news fore conservative hawks like myself.
5. NOBODY is going to question the need for missile defense anymore.
6. It skewers the growing bleeping from the Kumbaya sheep. The sheep on the street may not like war but they really hate glowing in the dark. It makes any military action on Iran or NK much more palatable.
This is a giant chess game whose moves and consequences are actually MORE important then the Middle East. If the US is smart and can sit back and play all the logical cards, it will benefit the most from KimFuks nuclear threats.
A GOOD DAY indeed. :v:
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 9, 2006 18:03:51 GMT -5
This is great news. Actually, this could be the best thing that could happen for the West and the US long term interests. 1.a. Japan will re-militarize, the perfect counterweight to China's growing hegemony. In fact, China was sitting back and enjoying the US financial bleeding it gets over Iraq. Now they will either have to jump into the quicksand of war to get rid of Kim's regime or let the entire region become a nuclear forest. NOT good for China's hegemony. 1.b. If they go in and get rid of Kim, then the North Korean populace will rather unite with South Korea then become a puppet state of Beijing. So the Chinese effectively cleared the path for a much stronger Korea. NOT good for China's hegemony. 2. The South Korean new generation thought that N.K. as just a misguided, crazy brother who you would join the family in time. Now he has nukes and is FAR more dangerous then any pacifist can imagine. In fact, it would be suicidal for SK not to arm themselves with nukes and HUG the 40-80,000 Americans stationed there. Good for the US, not good for China hegemony. 3. It makes Iran bolder for nuclear weapons.......thus scarring the HELL out of the Entire Middle east and driving it straight into American/West hegemony. Not good for China and OIL interests. 4. It wakes up Canadians from the stupor of "peace-dividend" politics. Kim-F*cks nukes can reach Vancouver easier then it can reach Seattle. GREAT news fore conservative hawks like myself. 5. NOBODY is going to question the need for missile defense anymore. 6. It skewers the growing bleeping from the Kumbaya sheep. The sheep on the street may not like war but they really hate glowing in the dark. It makes any military action on Iran or NK much more palatable. This is a giant chess game whose moves and consequences are actually MORE important then the Middle East. If the US is smart and can sit back and play all the logical cards, it will benefit the most from KimFuks nuclear threats. A GOOD DAY indeed. :v: A GOOD DAY? Imagine how great a day it would be if North korea actually used the bomb on Japan or South Korea. My dad was in the Air Force during WW II and planted hundreds of steel girders in the beaches of Vancouver Island to deter the Japanese. Now it might stop the Korean attack Junks from invading our soil. We have the bomb. We have lots of bombs. They are supposed to be deterrants for Kim and his ilk. The deterant only works if we employ it from time to time. Seems like as good a time as any. |
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Post by MC Habber on Oct 9, 2006 18:25:54 GMT -5
If the US is smart and can sit back and play all the logical cards, it will benefit the most from KimFuks nuclear threats. If the US is smart? Surely you jest.... Anyway, why should I be happy about the US "benefitting"? |
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Post by MC Habber on Oct 9, 2006 18:29:39 GMT -5
At the latest round of talks in September, 2005, North Korea agreed to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for aid and security guarantees, but later refused to return to the negotiating table until Washington lifted financial sanctions imposed on Pyongyang for its alleged involvement in counterfeiting and other illegal activities.
It's amazing how easy it is to convince people that war is the only way.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 9, 2006 20:59:50 GMT -5
I was sitting at my parents house today eating Thanksgiving turkey and my step-father asked me about what I thought about North Korea's nuclear testing. I never really heard anything about it, but my first words were "what's to stop Iran now?". Then my step-father said that he thinks the world should turn a blind eye and let Israel straighten it out. I didn;t know what he meant ... but he went on to tell me a story about when he worked in Saudi Arabia. He told me that the Iraq government of the day were "threathening" to test nuclear weapons and the Israelis got wind of it. They sent out three planes loaded with bombs but they flew in a formation so tight that on the radars it only looked like one ship, and they were thought to be a transport plane so they could fly over other countries air-space. They then bombed Iraq's supposed nuclear facility and returned home.
Obviously, North Korea and Iran are not going to make the same mistake. They are building theirs underground. I heard a report today that some countries received a "probable nuclear seismic signature" last year, and it was thought to come from North Korea. This reporter said when Pyongyang was questioned about this they replied "It isn't a nuclear detonation, we are using conventional weapons to blast underground". Now how stupid do you have to be not to connect them dots!!??
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Post by Cranky on Oct 9, 2006 23:12:29 GMT -5
A GOOD DAY? Imagine how great a day it would be if North Korea actually used the bomb on Japan or South Korea. My dad was in the Air Force during WW II and planted hundreds of steel girders in the beaches of Vancouver Island to deter the Japanese. Now it might stop the Korean attack Junks from invading our soil. We have the bomb. We have lots of bombs. They are supposed to be deterrents for Kim and his ilk. The deterant only works if we employ it from time to time. Seems like as good a time as any. It's a crazy world, but then again, was it ever any different? I hate to admit it, but as this unfolds I'm more of the thinking that the military response is the only right response. North Korea is a very poor country. Their weapons and technology has always for sale to the highest bidder. It goes without saying that if the wrong people come knocking with cash in hand it bodes poorly for everyone. Sanctions will only lower the price. Clearly, something has to be done sooner rather than later. This is not about declaring war with the US or Japan or South Korea. This is about blackmail. As much as the media want to portray him as a crazy leader in a rogue state, KimF*k is as crazy as a fox. This bomb is about getting attention and extracting help from the West. Why do you think that he is ALWAYS talking about the US? Why do you think he want ONE ON ONE discussions with the US? In fact, KimF*k would offer his left nut to get finiancial help from the US and serve as a pain in the ass from China. He sees how South Korea has prospered but he can't join them because that would mean the end of his regime....and him. in his mind, it's better if the US helps him directly and he gets to keep the crown. By ignoring and marginalizing him, the US is making him more desperate. Rare is the day the US can do nothing and come out ahead. As much as people want to think that Bush is an idiot, he is playing KimF*k like a puppet. If I was BadCompany conspiracy theorist, I would say that the US is executing a perfect plan. |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 9, 2006 23:17:37 GMT -5
Obviously, North Korea and Iran are not going to make the same mistake. They are building theirs underground. I heard a report today that some countries received a "probable nuclear seismic signature" last year, and it was thought to come from North Korea. This reporter said when Pyongyang was questioned about this they replied "It isn't a nuclear detonation, we are using conventional weapons to blast underground". Now how stupid do you have to be not to connect them dots!!?? BOTH of these nations are driving chain of events that is BEYOND their control. Notice how the US is doing absolutely NOTHING more then rhetoric on both counts? It serves their interest FAR more for these countries to act as rabid dogs. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 10, 2006 3:39:45 GMT -5
The only thing I'm certain about, is negotiations and sanctions are useless. It's like a Christian sending a sternly worded letter to a lion in the Colliseum.
I don't like war, but it's better than the alternative. Wait until they've developed a bomb that is twice as powerful? Ten times as destructive? One that fits in a suitcase? Wait until they have produced 100 times as much plutonium?
Wait until other rogue countries see that the UN is a do nothing organization? Wait until others learn that nothing will be done?
Neville Chamberlain received many promises from Hitler that weren't worth the paper they were written on.
Kim selling bombs to Al Quaida is terrifying.
Waiting is not in our best interests!
Nuke North Korea and sell South Korea marshmallows.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 10, 2006 6:22:37 GMT -5
Nuke North Korea and sell South Korea marshmallows. If "allied forces" nuke North Korea ... there would be no South Korea. Heck, there would be alot of surrounding nations that would suffer. If you can suggest a way to contain nuclear fallout to within the borders of a rogue country, I'd like to hear it. But even if that was possible, are you suggesting we kill millions upon millions of innocent North Korean civilians? I agree the longer we wait, the more likely the probability that North Korea develops a payload carrying vessel (which according to the experts is easy-breezy-japanesy), so unless we (and I mean a coalition of military/support from all 242 other countries of the world) act now then it is useless to attack North Korea. Any threat to the PDK would result in the use of their nuclear capability, and no one wants that. The only way now ... is for the intelligence community (the great CIA (if they can put their ego aside, because they arent that good), MI5 (or is it 6), etc )... to get together and assassinate rogue leaders and leave the countries undetected. Do not lay claim for the hits. The rogue countries will get the idea. But if they couldnt get Castro, I'll doubt they can get Kim... cause like I said, even though the CIA have all the technology and capabilities in the world, you need to know how to use them and their batting average for the last 50 years ain't so good. |
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Post by Manton on Oct 10, 2006 6:37:17 GMT -5
I am afraid we are living the legacy of Bill Clinton who in 1994, not only shared technology with the North Koreans which gave them the capability to reach the stage they are at but also shared vital technological info with the Chi Coms.
I will never forget the sick feeling to my stomach when in 2000, Madeleine Albright met with that lunatic North Korean Dictactor and seeing a picture of the two of them toasting each other and hailing an ear of peace. I knew we were in trouble when Lunatic Kim praised Jimmy Carter, another useful idiot.
Why do we not learn from the past. History is repeating itself and it is all so clear with the war against the Islamafacists which by the way represents about 200 million Wahabi's the extreme sect of Islam which sole purpose is to wage war against the infadels, that's you and I.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 10, 2006 7:52:25 GMT -5
Did we say Iraq had WMD??
Er, we meant North Korea.
- US Intelligence Community
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