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Post by Cranky on Dec 6, 2006 23:21:53 GMT -5
Where or how do you get your information? From television? If so, what programs? CNN? Local? Do you read magazines and/or papers? If so, which ones? Internet? Which sites?
I am very curious to find out. I find that there is so much information out there that it takes more effort to understand the slant then it takes to undestand the content. Maybe it's me, maybe it's journalism today, but I can not find a source of "factual reporting".
What is your opinion on what you watch and/or read?
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Post by princelh on Dec 6, 2006 23:46:04 GMT -5
Canadian Satellite TV (Starchoice), U.S. Satellite TV. (Dishnetwork)
Toronto Sun, Star, Globe and Mail.
CFRB radio, Toronto, Talk 640 Toronto.
Newsworld, CTV Newsnet, Fox News, CNN, The CBC National News, CTV National News, on TV.
Internet.
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Post by roke on Dec 7, 2006 15:15:19 GMT -5
Alright, I'll break it down and this is in order of preference.
Internet: CTV News, BBC news: *CBC used to be my primary source but I've cut down on my use of anything CBC drastically after them not showing a Hab game earlier this year. I don't remember which one it was though.
Newspapers: The Globe and Mail, The Winnipeg Free Press *The Globe is $0.07 more and has a lot more to read, a much better buy for me unless something interesting is going on in the city there's not much news in it.
Television: CTV (local news), CBC Newsworld *Not getting CTV Newsnet leaves me one Canadian all news channel, unfortunatly it's CBC but it is better than nothing.
I'm not one to listen to the radio, at all really so I can't say I listen to it more than once a month or so, if that. I'm more likely to watch local news coverage than national coverage but when it comes to reading news, be it in a paper or the internet, I tend to focus more on the national perspectives. Go figure.
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Post by franko on Dec 7, 2006 17:40:20 GMT -5
1. Habs-Rus. 2. CTV Newsnet (wife has it on while getting ready in the morning. 3. National Post delivered (cheap!); Ottawa Citizen on-line, Ottawa Sun on-line. 4. Local CTV affiliate. 5. Op-eds e-mailed to me. 6. MacLeans. 7. Wherever else I wind up on the net while searching/working.
8. Political news and scoops: that'd be telling.
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 7, 2006 18:51:13 GMT -5
1. Habs-Rus. 2. CTV Newsnet (wife has it on while getting ready in the morning. 3. National Post delivered (cheap!); Ottawa Citizen on-line, Ottawa Sun on-line. 4. Local CTV affiliate. 5. Op-eds e-mailed to me. 6. MacLeans. 7. Wherever else I wind up on the net while searching/working. 8. Political news and scoops: that'd be telling. Haa! I must confess, I probably look for news first on Habs'Rus too! HAHAHAA! You raise a good point Habsaddict, though....where does one go to get the goods; the real? Here's a thought. Even though I studied philosophy, and knew a little epistemology or theories of knowledge and knowing, It was only when reading a philosophy book recently, that I came across a treatment of the idea of objective truth.This concept, necessary for a grasp of reality or sanity, when expressed holds that truth can only be found in the object. Knowledge can only be knowledge of the thing considered. Since Descarte most people have been lost mentally in the silly idea of subjectivism, that truth is subjective. That idea is sheer freakin' madness. Crazy. Truth is tied to being. To what is. When what is is in the head, you have truth. This has a large bearing on what Habsaddict is getting at. Who decides what will be news...from what angle, and for what purpose stated or unstated, recognized or not. In a certain sense. everything we do propagates something, or propagandizes. If I wear a habs sweater I propagate them, if I speak the truth, I propagate that, If I dsisemble I hide or obscure reality. As a Catholic, given things I hold to be demonstrably true in a culture that often runs in radical opposition to them, I am quite well acguainted with slants and angles, and I imagine we all have facets of the "news" that we ingest and consider from different perspectives. And we have values. Many identical values and many in opposition even within ourselves. All of this is against the background of what is the nature and purpose or lack thereof of reality. That is the absolutely critical question which answer must inform all else. I have heard human beings as well defined as what we love. Really good thread idea Habsaddict. Cuts to the core. The real core to the question must be what is truth, and what if anything is the purpose and therefore the point of life. All else must be judged relevant to those answers.
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 7, 2006 19:07:14 GMT -5
I start page the Star in Toronto.
The star is a paper that has quite a bit to recommend it an lots of drivel to boot.
It fancies itself to be Liberal, and it is somewhat, but it is often very much libertarian, subjectivist and narcissistic. Papers' articles are mostly written by polls.
One thing I was happy to see there recently was a concentration upon poverty, that most unattractive thing that nags and pulls us from our distraction. My religion incidentally holds that we meet Christ in the distressing guise of the poor, and that will be judged on how we respond to the poor.
They also are porponents of a lot of real horseship that I strongly oppose as false.
I used to like listening quite a bit to the CBC. Much of their programming is world class.e.g. "Ideas". But there is a tonne that I find both bigoted and propagandistic, reflective of the libertarian left. There is a libertarian right as well, but it sees the light of day in more obscure ways.
THe internet, especially, for me, the portable internet is radically changing the news reality.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 7, 2006 19:17:59 GMT -5
Here is my sources and they are LACKING in integrity and neutrality.
Newspapers.... Troronto Star....wifes paper and localy focused toilet paper in my view. Globe and Mail.....my paper. Sunday New York Times......our paper.
Magazines.....
Economist....much better then Newsweek or Time. Scientific American....for the porn. Foreign Affairs....dont ask. Business Week......the People Magazine of business.
TV...... Newsword.....left baised. CNN...eye candy. Reporting is not worth a Saperlipopette. The Agenda.....TVO. Too left for my taste and they wont let me on the show. Something about my "counter strike" debating style.
What I really hunger for is a CNN type show that has the complete gamut of opinion from ALL OVER The world. I really want to know what Kuwaitis think of Iranian actions and policies. What Chinese think of Russian actions and policies. What Russian people and power mongers think. I thought that the internet would give us that but so far, the internet has proven to be 98% biased bull and 2% information.
That is why I am asking the question. Maybe there are magaziens/newspapers/programs/sites that have more neutral information.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 7, 2006 19:27:53 GMT -5
The Telegram - St. John's daily newspaper
CTV Newsnet
CNN (if something major occurs ... they analyze something to death and run it for days!)
HabRus
VOCM (local am radio channel)
I dont read news on the net very much (except from here) ... I do however use the net to get alot of my sports news. (HabsRus, TSN, CNNSI, ESPN, dallascowboys.com, nhl.com, nfl.com, nascar.com. pgatour.com ...well you get the point, I am a sports junkie)
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 7, 2006 19:35:52 GMT -5
Here is my sources and they are LACKING in integrity and neutrality. Newspapers.... Troronto Star....wifes paper and localy focused toilet paper in my view. Globe and Mail.....my paper. Sunday New York Times......our paper. Magazines..... Economist....much better then Newsweek or Time. Scientific American....for the porn. Foreign Affairs....dont ask. Business Week......the People Magazine of business. TV...... Newsword.....left baised. CNN...eye candy. Reporting is not worth a Saperlipopette. The Agenda.....TVO. Too left for my taste and they wont let me on the show. Something about my "counter strike" debating style. What I really hunger for is a CNN type show that has the complete gamut of opinion from ALL OVER The world. I really want to know what Kuwaitis think of Iranian actions and policies. What Chinese think of Russian actions and policies. What Russian people and power mongers think. I thought that the internet would give us that but so far, the internet has proven to be 98% biased bull and 2% information. That is why I am asking the question. Maybe there are magaziens/newspapers/programs/sites that have more neutral information. I think you've got some ok sources for "news", there HA, and it's good to see that you are sometimes open to looking at them critically. Clinton's blowwjob was not as newsworthy as a fraudulent war in Iraq. Some other interest was at work there, and it took a Michael Moore to open a lot of eyes. It's plainly true, that sometimes I slop up pure trivia, or consider the real beauty of a new or old Porche, and other times I'm aware that bag ladies are more important than Rolls Royces or the new tennis racquet I want. Left wing and right wing perspectives, and most of North America is right wing in its slant, all advance a perspective or slant on what we should value; what is important, and therefor, implicitly the meaning of life. Corporations are the absolute worst as the slave for our money. And they are us too and it cannot be ignored or forgotten that they do much that is good, if accidentally. The two part series "The Corporation" is pretty damned good....and scary. Great thread HA, a really interesting one, that itself seeks aspects of the truth. Good stuff. Another really good and relevant question is this: "What is interesting?" Is there a logical order to what is in fact most significant? Of course there is, but digging it out is a challenge to us.
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Post by Toronthab on Dec 7, 2006 19:38:40 GMT -5
TV is our opiate.
So drop da puck areddy!
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 7, 2006 22:55:32 GMT -5
I watch/read/listen to a lot of what has aleady been posted here. Although, I try to stay away from the cheerleading of CNN and Fox News. I find excellent journalism exists with the contributors on the clearing house website: Znet. www.zmag.org/weluser.htmReports and analysis from people who are actually there.....wherever anything is happening...from around the globe. For a snarky view of the news, you cannot beat "The Daily Show"/"Colbert Report" hour. Solid comedy writing and delivery there.
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Post by PTH on Dec 7, 2006 22:58:37 GMT -5
Cyberpresse.ca is my basic newssource, the BBC online is #2 (anglo-saxon without being American), scientific American and the Washington Post are next, Drudge report gives me the right-wing psycho point of view, and actually The Onion sometimes gives me facts I wasn't aware of.
Other news like Le Monde or Pravda are there for variety, on occasion. Le Monde always has interesting news no anglo-saxon site gives you. For example, it's amazing to what extent France is involved (in a positive way) in its former colonies, often sending in minor army units to help out with emergencies and the like.
For Tech news I go to The Insider, Michael Geist's blog (for P2P issues) and Branchez-vous.
Just about all my news are off the web. News off of TV is once per 2 weeks. Local news I often just hear from co-workers or the radio, because other than that I could live just about anywhere in the world.
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Post by Tattac on Dec 8, 2006 3:05:45 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Dec 9, 2006 12:45:04 GMT -5
Hi Tattac, It seems that Russia Today has the most non-local news. Can you give me a heads up on which one is the government mouth piece and which one one is truly indipendent. Also, are the headlines and content on the website the exact same in publication or are they altering the news to suit the Western readers?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 9, 2006 13:06:47 GMT -5
I get mine from fortune cookies. I find their the most unbias source of information available out there.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 9, 2006 13:07:21 GMT -5
Cyberpresse.ca is my basic newssource, the BBC online is #2 (anglo-saxon without being American), scientific American and the Washington Post are next, Drudge report gives me the right-wing psycho point of view, and actually The Onion sometimes gives me facts I wasn't aware of. Other news like Le Monde or Pravda are there for variety, on occasion. Le Monde always has interesting news no anglo-saxon site gives you. For example, it's amazing to what extent France is involved (in a positive way) in its former colonies, often sending in minor army units to help out with emergencies and the like. For Tech news I go to The Insider, Michael Geist's blog (for P2P issues) and Branchez-vous. Just about all my news are off the web. News off of TV is once per 2 weeks. Local news I often just hear from co-workers or the radio, because other than that I could live just about anywhere in the world. Oh sure PTH, give me a French link so I can torture myself trying to read it! LOL! BBC one is interesting....but tilted to the left. You read SA? Wow, you are now officially a geek. Here is one for you but it can take all day to go through....until they invent firewire hookup to our brains. They link up articles from all over the world but just I think they are owned by left wing worshipers, they link an interesting not so left wing articles. www.worldnews.com/Here is a link to practically everything news related.....USA news that it. newslink.org/
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Post by Roggy on Dec 9, 2006 13:21:39 GMT -5
Google news will link to basically everything and you can find hundreds of different articles from around the world on the same story. news.google.ca
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Post by franko on Dec 9, 2006 13:27:31 GMT -5
Forgot to mention Joe the barber
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 10, 2006 0:42:26 GMT -5
Toronthab and Skilly. They tell me all I need to know.
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 10, 2006 16:48:42 GMT -5
When I have time, I like to read Matthew Good's blog. He posts a lot of news stories I would otherwise miss. It's mixed with a lot of opinion, as well as more personal stuff.
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Post by Roggy on Dec 11, 2006 1:26:07 GMT -5
A good site for those news stories that you don't see in the mainstream... obscurestore.typepad.comStuff you gotta shake your head at.
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