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Post by Manton on Dec 30, 2006 13:11:36 GMT -5
I can vouch that it is an excellent quality LCD TV, the top seller in Japan and selling well around the world. The consumer reports do say it is one of the best. Now, I recently purchased the HD PVR. I have not yet watched a hockey game on HD but will tune into CBCHD to see how it looks. My unit though is a year old so I don't know what improvements were made since then and I guess I will find out about the blurring problem?
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Post by Cranky on Dec 30, 2006 14:34:15 GMT -5
I thought I had done my homework about the blurring problem but unfortunatly it is still there on LCD's. When I bought by Sony, I could not really test it on fast action high definition because, well, they did not have any sources of it. They have these really sexy pictures but in order to hide the problem, they do not show a lot of fast action shots.
The entire issue stems from the response time of LCD and the acceptance level of the buyer. Some people will be more then satisfied with what is presented by the latest LCD's. If people are watching the "big picture" so to speak and not looking for fine details, then they are good enough. When I compare what I had (bringing it back) and my friends plasma, his does a better job of showing detail in motion. It does not "block out" or pixalate anywhere near as much as mine. It takes a second to see where the player is looking to pass or shot and even the slightest blurring kills it.
I have a 4 year old 36" XBR and even though it's not high definition, the old tube type have no "memory" to cause blurring.
The last few days I have ben reading more about LCD and apparently, the first generations of sales was focused on size and once the market is saturated enough, they will focus on response times. For the vast majority of people, response time is not a major issue but for hockey or NASCAR nuts, response time is critical.
Meanwhile.....
I did not do any homework on back projection tv's. In theory, the DLP and LCOS technology should not have "response" type issues. On the other hand, from what I have been reading, DLP has it's own set of problems. I am going to burn a fast action DVD and then try to test the Samsung's. Of course, no saleman in his right mind is going to let a customer to really test a set on his sales floor, so good thing I have a van and some stores have liberal return policies.
The only other question.....
......how resistent are these sets to flying objects........
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Post by Skilly on Dec 30, 2006 14:43:11 GMT -5
I have a 4 year old 36" XBR and even though it's not high definition, the old tube type have no "memory" to cause blurring. I have a 6yr old 36" Sony XBR Trinitron Wega ..... the manual does not mention HD anywhere in it but the console on the back clearly shows that it has HD. I had it serviced last month (the last servicing on my warranty) and the technician was shocked to hear it is 6 years old. He actually took pictures of the inside and the receipt to show people where he works that there was no "burning" of the capicitors on the inside of my TV. He was amazed. I am really happy with my TV ... my only complaint is that it weighs close on 200lbs ... but I will be purchasing another TV in the next calendar year so I am keenly interested in this thread.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 30, 2006 14:57:59 GMT -5
I have a 4 year old 36" XBR and even though it's not high definition, the old tube type have no "memory" to cause blurring. I have a 6yr old 36" Sony XBR Trinitron Wega ..... the manual does not mention HD anywhere in it but the console on the back clearly shows that it has HD. I had it serviced last month (the last servicing on my warranty) and the technician was shocked to hear it is 6 years old. He actually took pictures of the inside and the receipt to show people where he works that there was no "burning" of the capicitors on the inside of my TV. He was amazed. I am really happy with my TV ... my only complaint is that it weighs close on 200lbs ... but I will be purchasing another TV in the next calendar year so I am keenly interested in this thread. Which model? I have the KV-36XBR450. My God, are we TV brothers and we didn't know it?
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Post by MC Habber on Dec 30, 2006 16:41:58 GMT -5
If you're thinking about a new TV, the next big thing could be High Dynamic Range displays. The basic idea is to have a projector behind the LCD panel to produce a range of brightness that is 100 times greater than can be displayed by current technology, so the images are far more lifelike and vivid. Supposedly this might hit the consumer market within a year or two, but I bet it will be really expensive at first.
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Post by princelh on Dec 30, 2006 17:44:20 GMT -5
I want one of those 1080p Plasma T.V.'s. Sure, you'll never see an NHL game in 1080p, but the Blu Ray Disks look great on them.
Myself, I have a 34" CRT HD Toshiba, a 27" Sanyo HD CRT and a 15" Samsung HD LCD. The LCD seems to have a problem with what you called blurring. It also seems to have colour washout, when watching it on an angle. The CRT's seem to work good for me. I run Starchoice on all three, in HD, and Dishnetwork HD on the 34", as well. My 27" is 4x3 format and my 34" is 16x9. That way, I can cover either screen format, when broadcasts are of different quality.
I recommend going Plasma, if you want the best picture quality. LCD is good, but does have drawbacks. However, it'll be more durable than the Plasma. You can also look at DLP, Projection and CRT. There is much variety and prices are dropping quickly.
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Post by princelh on Dec 30, 2006 17:47:06 GMT -5
One other thing. There is a new and improved version of HDMI coming out. It is version 1.3. It is called a deep colour interface for the newer sets. Keep this in mind, while shopping for your new set.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 31, 2006 11:11:37 GMT -5
I have a 6yr old 36" Sony XBR Trinitron Wega ..... the manual does not mention HD anywhere in it but the console on the back clearly shows that it has HD. I had it serviced last month (the last servicing on my warranty) and the technician was shocked to hear it is 6 years old. He actually took pictures of the inside and the receipt to show people where he works that there was no "burning" of the capicitors on the inside of my TV. He was amazed. I am really happy with my TV ... my only complaint is that it weighs close on 200lbs ... but I will be purchasing another TV in the next calendar year so I am keenly interested in this thread. Which model? I have the KV-36XBR450. My God, are we TV brothers and we didn't know it? Mine is 6 years old .. I got one when they first came out on the market here. Mine is a KV-36XBR400. You said yours doesn't have HD?
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Post by Manton on Dec 31, 2006 14:38:56 GMT -5
Didn't notice any blurring or picture problems during the Leaf game on HD but then again I had a family room full of people(all Hab fans of course) and was easily distracted.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 31, 2006 22:11:52 GMT -5
For those shopping for a set...... While the smarter one went shopping, I invaded the local BestBuy. After originally ignoring rear projection tv's, I was floored by the picture quality of the Sony KDSR60XBR2. This is a different engine frm DLP and LCD units and it appears to handle fast action very well. But here is the catch.....5 grand. BUT............. A quick check of US retailers and lo and behold, from $2,400 and up. That is relatively reasonable for a 60 inch set. As far as bringing it across the border, no sweat, 2% plus GST and PST. Unless anybody knows a place where they have saner prices, screw Canadian suppliers who try to screw us. So now the question is.....how does it do with hockey and how long does the light source last. Technically the lamp has a 4,000 hour lifetime (about 3 years) and it comes with an extra one. Replacement cost is $300. If I go ahead, I would buy an extra lamp to make sure I have at least 8 years of viewing. For anyone looking at large units, take a look at this unit. It's in Best Buy and Sony stores. Here is a link to a forum that tends to have HUGE thread about verious units. www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730418&page=125&pp=30Review....... reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_R60XBR2/4505-6484_7-31901228.html?tag=lst
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 1, 2007 15:47:47 GMT -5
I have a 4 year old 36" XBR and even though it's not high definition, the old tube type have no "memory" to cause blurring. I have a 6yr old 36" Sony XBR Trinitron Wega ..... the manual does not mention HD anywhere in it but the console on the back clearly shows that it has HD. I had it serviced last month (the last servicing on my warranty) and the technician was shocked to hear it is 6 years old. He actually took pictures of the inside and the receipt to show people where he works that there was no "burning" of the capicitors on the inside of my TV. He was amazed. I am really happy with my TV ... my only complaint is that it weighs close on 200lbs ... but I will be purchasing another TV in the next calendar year so I am keenly interested in this thread. Just bought a JVC 56" 1080P rear projection because it looked so great in the store. It looks even better at home when I'm seated 12 feet away. Make sure if you buy a very big tv, your room is big enough to sit at the optimal distance from the screen. So far so good, but I don't think the new hd's are going to last as long as your old sony or my old RCA that now still looks great in the bedroom.
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Post by franko on Jan 1, 2007 16:04:38 GMT -5
I have a 6yr old 36" Sony XBR Trinitron Wega ..... the manual does not mention HD anywhere in it but the console on the back clearly shows that it has HD. I had it serviced last month (the last servicing on my warranty) and the technician was shocked to hear it is 6 years old. He actually took pictures of the inside and the receipt to show people where he works that there was no "burning" of the capicitors on the inside of my TV. He was amazed. I am really happy with my TV ... my only complaint is that it weighs close on 200lbs ... but I will be purchasing another TV in the next calendar year so I am keenly interested in this thread. Just bought a JVC 56" 1080P rear projection because it looked so great in the store. It looks even better at home when I'm seated 12 feet away. Make sure if you buy a very big tv, your room is big enough to sit at the optimal distance from the screen. So far so good, but I don't think the new hd's are going to last as long as your old sony or my old RCA that now still looks great in the bedroom. You guys are starting to make me feel jealous.
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Post by Cranky on Jan 1, 2007 21:06:18 GMT -5
You guys are starting to make me feel jealous.You feel the need for one of the Deadly Sins? Then we are brothers because I'm possessed by the other six. Remember, it's not the size of the picture, it's the mind that sizes the picture.
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Post by princelh on Jan 2, 2007 0:52:08 GMT -5
If you can get to New Hampshire, or Delaware, they have no sales tax. There are a number of great electronic shops, 10 miles north of Greater Boston, on the New Hampshire side of the state line in Salem, NH, that offer low prices and no sales tax.
I make the trip every couple of years, to re-energize the home theatre.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 2, 2007 10:13:42 GMT -5
If you can get to New Hampshire, or Delaware, they have no sales tax. There are a number of great electronic shops, 10 miles north of Greater Boston, on the New Hampshire side of the state line in Salem, NH, that offer low prices and no sales tax. I make the trip every couple of years, to re-energize the home theatre. How do you get it across the border without paying duty?
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Post by Cranky on Jan 2, 2007 20:35:05 GMT -5
If you can get to New Hampshire, or Delaware, they have no sales tax. There are a number of great electronic shops, 10 miles north of Greater Boston, on the New Hampshire side of the state line in Salem, NH, that offer low prices and no sales tax. I make the trip every couple of years, to re-energize the home theatre. How do you get it across the border without paying duty? You only pay 2% besides GST and PST. It's not like the old days where you paid some stupid amount. BTW, I spent three hours at my local tv shop. Tested all thee format under ideal conditions. 1. By far, the overall best picture quality came out of a Panasonic plasma. 2. Second best picture but clearly behind came from a Sony projection. Decent on hockey. Pretty good on everything else. 3. Last place came the Sony LCD. The HUGE reason for last place was the terrible black/greys from LCD. I was looking ata commercial in high definition. The trunk of the car was completely black on the LCD. Decent detail on the projection and nce detail on the plasma. For hockey, The LCD pixilated something awful on Standard Definition, but was great with high definition. If the only thing that we watched was hockey, I would stay with LCD IF YOU HAVE HIGH DEFINITION, but for the best overall viewing, plasma is still better. On the other hand, there is still serious concern about long term picture quality for plasma. Also saw tha Aquos. Pretty nice on high definition hockey but same problem as all the other LCD's on SD (Standard Definition).
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