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Post by PTH on Jun 2, 2003 16:14:01 GMT -5
Given how reporters have a pretty good idea of how the organisation sees things, I thought this would be a good read: www.cyberpresse.ca/chroniqueurs/c_v_repond.php?ids=MTQ1&idss=NTYx&idn=TWF0aGlhcyBCcnVuZXQ=&ida=NTYy&idi=YnJ1bmV0X21fdGNsLmpwZw==" Il y aura de nouveaux visages avec le Canadien l'an prochain. Du groupe de joueurs mentionnés dans votre message, Mike Komisarek et Jason Ward sont presque assurés d'un poste à Montréal en octobre. Le premier choix de l'équipe en 2002, l'attaquant Chris Higgins, aura une chance de faire ses preuves au camp d'entraînement et s'il ne parvient pas à commencer la saison avec le Canadien, pariez qu'il ne sèchera pas trop longtemps à Hamilton. Higgins sera un joueur d'impact avec le Canadien pour de nombreuses années. Perezhogin, un autre choix de première ronde, mais en 2001, est un attaquant spectaculaire et il aura peut-être besoin d'une année d'apprentissage dans la Ligue américaine, à moins qu'il ne cause une belle surprise au camp. Tomas Plekanec a connu une belle saison à Hamilton à sa première année chez les professionnels mais il y restera encore un an de plus, à mon avis. Jozef Balej, tout comme Ron Hainsey, ont déçu cette année avec Hamilton. Hainsey ne fait même pas partie du premier quatuor de défenseurs des Bulldogs en séries éliminatoires. François Beauchemin, 23 ans, l'a devancé dans la hiérarchie des espoirs de l'équipe. Donc si on me demandait un classement des plus beaux espoirs du Canadien chez les professionnels, je nommerais, dans l'ordre: Mike Komisarek, Chris Higgins, Alexander Perezhogin, Marcel Hossa, Jason Ward, Michael Ryder, François Beauchemin, Ron Hainsey, Tomas Plekanec, Jozef Balej." For the French-impaired, that last sentence is a ranking *in order* of Habs prospects right now. |
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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 2, 2003 20:17:20 GMT -5
Meh...Hainsey behind Ward, Ryder and Beauchemin?  Interesting to read Brunet's opinions, but i can't say that i completely agree... |
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Post by montreal on Jun 2, 2003 20:17:58 GMT -5
That's a good list, as it has the players where they are right now. I think Hainsey has more skill then all the guys on the list with the exception of the first 3, but after a shaky season, and true breakout seasons from Ward, Beauchemin and Ryder, they have to up there cause they improved their game so much.
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Post by montreal on Jun 2, 2003 20:20:59 GMT -5
Meh...Hainsey behind Ward, Ryder and Beauchemin? Interesting to read Brunet's opinions, but i can't say that i completely agree... Well if you look at where these guys are right now and not their future, then it makes sense. Ward, Ryder and Beauchemin all had such great seasons, and were some of the top plaers in the AHL. Hainsey has more skill, but he took a step back from last season. I think it's more about what a fine season Ward, Ryder and Beauchemin have had. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 2, 2003 20:35:53 GMT -5
Hainsey ne fait même pas partie du premier quatuor de défenseurs des Bulldogs en séries éliminatoires. I like Brunet, and I think he is probably the best beat writer covering the Habs, but I am not sure I agree with that statement. Considering Hainsey has been paired with Komisarek, who I am assuming Brunet is including in the top 4, I would have to think Hainsey is getting top 4 minutes. Also, Hainsey is tied for first in scoring for a defenseman during the AHL playoffs, and is a +6. Komisarek, Beachemin, ahead of Hainsey, sure, but who else? Bergeron? Perhaps. Bobby Allen? Kari Haakana? I don't know... Hainsey definetely had a bad year, but it seems to me he should at least be considered top 3 in the playoffs, if not higher... |
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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 2, 2003 20:38:48 GMT -5
Well if you look at where these guys are right now and not their future, then it makes sense. Ward, Ryder and Beauchemin all had such great seasons, and were some of the top plaers in the AHL. Hainsey has more skill, but he took a step back from last season. I think it's more about what a fine season Ward, Ryder and Beauchemin have had. Yeah i understand all that, but i think Brunet forgets that Hainsey is younger than all those guys. He's a year younger than both Ryder and Beauchemin...Ryder was splitting time between the AHL and ECHL at the same age as was Beauchemin (although he did spend most of his time in the AHL). Ward is 2 years older than Hainsey...when he was Hainsey's age he actually had a fairly similar season, missing a bunch of games due to injury and not producing in his brief NHL stint. Hainsey hasn't had the best season, no question. I don't think he was handled well at all, but to be fair Hainsey also has to take some of the blame for his poor performance in the AHL; although from what i hear he's been much better in the AHL playoffs. Only time will tell, but i'd put my money on Hainsey being a much better NHLer than those 3 guys mentioned ahead of him. |
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Post by montreal on Jun 2, 2003 20:47:48 GMT -5
Yeah i understand all that, but i think Brunet forgets that Hainsey is younger than all those guys. He's a year younger than both Ryder and Beauchemin...Ryder was splitting time between the AHL and ECHL at the same age as was Beauchemin (although he did spend most of his time in the AHL). Ward is 2 years older than Hainsey...when he was Hainsey's age he actually had a fairly similar season, missing a bunch of games due to injury and not producing in his brief NHL stint. Hainsey hasn't had the best season, no question. I don't think he was handled well at all, but to be fair Hainsey also has to take some of the blame for his poor performance in the AHL; although from what i hear he's been much better in the AHL playoffs. Only time will tell, but i'd put my money on Hainsey being a much better NHLer than those 3 guys mentioned ahead of him. That was my point though, that it's based on how they are currently playing, not what they might do down the road. Haisney is clearly one of our best prospects, but a not so good 2nd season, and great seasons from Ward, Ryder and Beauchemin put them higher up for now. Hainsey will be the better player one would assume, cause he has so much natural skill, but until he starts showing it, it's hard to put guys below him that were really good this season. When you compare all the prospects, it's hard to come up with a fair way of doing it when you have players of different ages/backgrounds. |
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Post by montreal on Jun 2, 2003 20:54:32 GMT -5
I like Brunet, and I think he is probably the best beat writer covering the Habs, but I am not sure I agree with that statement. Considering Hainsey has been paired with Komisarek, who I am assuming Brunet is including in the top 4, I would have to think Hainsey is getting top 4 minutes. Also, Hainsey is tied for first in scoring for a defenseman during the AHL playoffs, and is a +6. Komisarek, Beachemin, ahead of Hainsey, sure, but who else? Bergeron? Perhaps. Bobby Allen? Kari Haakana? I don't know... Hainsey definetely had a bad year, but it seems to me he should at least be considered top 3 in the playoffs, if not higher... I think Hainsey has been very solid in the playoffs so far, and is right up there with Komisarek and Beauchemin (Komo is a +10, and Beauchemin has 1 less pt then Hainsey). Bergeron has been shaky at times. Haakana has had some big hits, but has struggled. Against the Mosse he scored into his own net in the 3rd right after the dogs came with 1 of tieing up the game. Allen has been good though, as it would be hard to say who's been better but Beauchemin, Komisarek, Allen, Hainsey would be the top 4 easily, IMO (based on the playoffs only) What's impressed me the most with Hainsey is that he seems fired up. Twice he's jumped into a fight when one of his teamates got a cheap shot (Gratton and Komisarek) He needs to show that kind of passion for the game and his teamates. Hopefully these playoffs will install a lot of confidence into the very talented blueliner. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 2, 2003 20:59:27 GMT -5
I agree montreal, and it is also a bit of an apples and oranges thing. With prospects, you never know how they are going to develop, and so you have to add value to any player that is proving himself at the AHL level. I think that is all that Brunet's rankings represent...clear credit for great AHL seasons by Ward, Beachy and Ryder. Who will be the best long term NHL player, that remains to be seen...but Hainsey sure has all the tools to be that player.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 2, 2003 21:42:00 GMT -5
Ronner has been wicked in the playoffs but Brunet may just be basing his opinion on the games that were on Sportsnet(games 6 and 7 of the 2nd round) when Hainsey got little ice time.
In my mind, it should be:
1: Komisarek
2: Perezhogin
3: Higgins
4: Hainsey
5: Hossa
6: Ward
7: Ryder
8: Plekanec
9: Beauchemin
10: Balej
Maybe some things could be debated...like Beauchy over Pleks...
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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 2, 2003 21:53:13 GMT -5
In my mind, it should be: 1: Komisarek 2: Perezhogin 3: Higgins 4: Hainsey 5: Hossa 6: Ward 7: Ryder 8: Plekanec 9: Beauchemin 10: Balej That's a nice list...i like it and there isn't anything that jumps out at you like Hainsey being real low or Hossa being completely omited. Like you say, you could argue a few of the later guys in the top 10, but i think the top 4 or 5 is pretty much a lock. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jun 2, 2003 22:00:29 GMT -5
I just love the fact we have 5 prospects who would make any top 100 NHL prospects list and that doesn't include a 23 year old in Ryder who did great in the AHL this year and the AHL MVP in 24 year old Jason Ward!
add a top 10 pick this summer....
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 2, 2003 22:32:56 GMT -5
That's a nice list...i like it and there isn't anything that jumps out at you like Hainsey being real low or Hossa being completely omited. Like you say, you could argue a few of the later guys in the top 10, but i think the top 4 or 5 is pretty much a lock. We have all debated the "top prospects list" quite a bit over at HF, and that top five is almost always the same (order moves a bit, but same 5 names). |
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