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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 9, 2008 7:47:14 GMT -5
Man, just shook my head when I saw this. Got from a buddy in Denmark earlier this morning. I could see it being used for VIP protection and the secret service. FMG 9James Bond stuff? Edit: I don't like the way it was presented. This guy is suggesting it could be used for personal protection; taking the dog for a walk, going to the mailbox, stuff like that. Must live in the wrong neighbourhood. I can visualize what kind of problems this would case on the streets if it were to fall into the wrong hands; gangs and the like. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2008 11:13:56 GMT -5
I can visualize what kind of problems this would case on the streets if it were to fall into the wrong hands; gangs and the like. What's the difference between that and a concealed weapon? And why would a criminal/gang banger openly declare that they have a gun? "Technology" like that is a bit of a joke. |
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Post by clear observer on Mar 9, 2008 11:55:38 GMT -5
"...gits nasty...git down to bidness!"
Man, do I fear for my children.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 9, 2008 12:05:45 GMT -5
"...gits nasty...git down to bidness!" Man, do I fear for my children. I thought "redneck" when I first heard that. Sad the way this guy sold this product. Cheers. |
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Post by cigarviper on Mar 9, 2008 13:01:06 GMT -5
"...gits nasty...git down to bidness!" Man, do I fear for my children. I thought "redneck" when I first heard that. Sad the way this guy sold this product. Cheers. Look at his target market..... |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 9, 2008 16:47:36 GMT -5
"...gits nasty...git down to bidness!" Man, do I fear for my children. I was reading in today's newspaper that a woman senator in the United States (Karen S Johnson from Arizona) has introduced a bill that will allow people to carry concealed weapons on college and university campuses. When asked about the bill she said "I feel like our kindergartners are sitting there like sitting ducks" Her original bill would have allowed those with concealed weapons permits to carry those weapons in public schools.... BUT other Arizona legislators told her to change it to university campuses to give it a better chance to pass. HOLY F-in S^%$#!!!!!! According to the article 15 states are looking at similar laws .... I fear for my children too. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2008 14:31:21 GMT -5
"...gits nasty...git down to bidness!" Man, do I fear for my children. I was reading in today's newspaper that a woman senator in the United States (Karen S Johnson from Arizona) has introduced a bill that will allow people to carry concealed weapons on college and university campuses. When asked about the bill she said "I feel like our kindergartners are sitting there like sitting ducks" Her original bill would have allowed those with concealed weapons permits to carry those weapons in public schools.... BUT other Arizona legislators told her to change it to university campuses to give it a better chance to pass. HOLY F-in S^%$#!!!!!! According to the article 15 states are looking at similar laws .... I fear for my children too. Can't see how they can allow this bill to pass. Can't even believe there are no alternatives to allowing concealed weapons on campus. Utah currently allows it so a precedent has been set. Arizona Weighs Bill to Allow Guns on Campuses
By RANDAL C. ARCHIBOLD
Published: March 5, 2008
PHOENIX — Horrified by recent campus shootings, a state lawmaker here has come up with a proposal in keeping with the Taurus .22-caliber pistol tucked in her purse: Get more guns on campus.
The lawmaker, State Senator Karen S. Johnson, has sponsored a bill, which the Senate Judiciary Committee approved last week, that would allow people with a concealed weapons permit — limited to those 21 and older here — to carry their firearms at public colleges and universities. Concealed weapons are generally not permitted at most public establishments, including colleges.
Ms. Johnson, a Republican from Mesa, said she believed that the recent carnage at Northern Illinois University could have been prevented or limited if an armed student or professor had intercepted the gunman. The police, she said, respond too slowly to such incidents and, besides, who better than the people staring down the barrel to take action?
She initially wanted her bill to cover all public schools, kindergarten and up, but other lawmakers convinced her it stood a better chance of passing if it were limited to higher education.
“I feel like our kindergartners are sitting there like sitting ducks,” Ms. Johnson said last week when the bill passed the committee by a 4-to-3 vote.
This is a generally gun-friendly state, where people are allowed to carry a weapon on their hip without a permit as long as people can see it. Even so, Ms. Johnson acknowledges that her views come from the far right — she recently described herself, half-jokingly, she says, as a “right-wing wacko.”
Still, the proposal has troubled advocates of gun control here and elsewhere because it appears to be gaining popularity and has fed long-smoldering debates over restrictions on carrying firearms.
Since the Virginia Tech killings last April, other states have weighed similar legislation, to the disbelief of opponents, who note that the odds of lethal attacks are small, despite the publicity they attract.
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a Washington nonprofit organization, said 15 states were considering legislation that would authorize or make it easier for people to carry guns on school or college campuses under certain conditions. Those states include Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan and Virginia, according to the center, but it considers the Arizona proposal particularly egregious because it would not only allow students and faculty to carry such weapons, but staff members as well.
Utah, the organization said, is the only state with a law that expressly allows people with a concealed-weapon permit to carry guns on college campuses. That law, adopted in 2004 and upheld by Utah’s Supreme Court in 2006, arose out of concern that a state law allowing concealed weapons was not being enforced on college campuses.(The Mormon State?)
The critics of such laws predict that they would cause more problems, including making it hard for the police to sort a dangerous gunman from a crowd of others with guns. They also argue that the guns would make it easier for people barely out of adolescence, or perhaps emotionally troubled, to respond lethally to typical campus frustrations like poor grades or failed romances. (Killing guys who don't take no for an answer?)
Fred Boice, president of the Arizona Board of Regents, which oversees the state’s three public universities, said he sympathized with people concerned about campus safety. In October 2002, a nursing student at the University of Arizona in Tucson who was failing his classes shot and killed three professors before killing himself.
But Mr. Boice said he believed security and a system of alerting people about crises had been improved since then, and he worried that disputes best handled by campus security could quickly turn deadly with more guns on campus.
“I grew up in the country and a lot of people had guns,” Mr. Boice said. “But my father said never carry a gun unless you are prepared to kill somebody, and I believe that.”
Proponents concede the proposal could face a fight, even in this state’s Republican-controlled Legislature. The police chiefs at Arizona’s universities and several law enforcement groups have condemned the bill.
“This is a very polarizing issue,” said John Wentling, vice president of the Arizona Citizens Defense League, a gun-rights group that has pushed for the bill.
Even if Ms. Johnson’s bill eventually passes both chambers, it will probably take some convincing for Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, to sign it. Ms. Napolitano rejected a bill a few years ago that would have lifted a prohibition on carrying loaded firearms into bars, restaurants and other places that serve alcohol.
Ms. Johnson’s proposal has gotten a mixed reception on the campuses.
Jason Lewis, 23, an aerospace engineering major at the University of Arizona, said he was mugged twice on campus last year, at knife point and at gunpoint. He now has a concealed-weapons permit and carries his gun everywhere he can.
“It would at least let me protect myself,” said Mr. Lewis, one of a few students to testify in support of the bill at a recent hearing. “If word gets out students are arming themselves, criminals will be, like, ‘Maybe we should back off.’ It will be a deterrent.”
But Cole Hickman, a student at Arizona State University in Tempe, said he had sought to rally opposition to the bill, concerned that, among other things, it would further jeopardize people during a mass shooting. Proponents of the bill, Mr. Hickman said, underestimate the difficulty in shooting a live target in a chaotic episode.
“If another student in the room or a teacher had a gun and opened fire they may hurt other students,” he said, “because unlike police officers, concealed-weapon permit holders are not necessarily well-trained in shooting in crowds and reacting to those kinds of situations.”
Ms. Johnson is not fazed by the skeptics.
“We are not the wild, wild West like people think we are,” she said. “But people are more independent thinkers here when it comes to security.”www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/us/05guns.html |
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Post by ropoflu on Mar 10, 2008 15:06:31 GMT -5
Wow, yet another great achievement by the human race. I'm flabbergasted at the ingeniosity of our collective brain.
Sigh.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 10, 2008 17:28:34 GMT -5
"...gits nasty...git down to bidness!" Man, do I fear for my children. I was reading in today's newspaper that a woman senator in the United States (Karen S Johnson from Arizona) has introduced a bill that will allow people to carry concealed weapons on college and university campuses. When asked about the bill she said "I feel like our kindergartners are sitting there like sitting ducks" Her original bill would have allowed those with concealed weapons permits to carry those weapons in public schools.... BUT other Arizona legislators told her to change it to university campuses to give it a better chance to pass. HOLY F-in S^%$#!!!!!! According to the article 15 states are looking at similar laws .... I fear for my children too. What is needed is a law that would allow school children to carry hand grenades as defense against suicide bombers. The whole world has gone mad except for you and me; and I'm not too sure about you.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2008 17:34:31 GMT -5
Imagine students carrying variants of the Glock. Here's what the FMG 9 is probably based on. Full auto GlockAnd Utah is good with this?? Sad! |
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