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Post by skunk on Apr 14, 2008 10:58:23 GMT -5
White sits at the top of my prospect list now, alongside Max Pacioretty. He certainly seems like the most complete and pro ready player of all their amateur prospects. White is what they hoped they were getting when they drafted Chipchura in 2004, I think.
Interestingly enough, Ryan was the top rated player of all Hab drafted players by CSS in 2006, but Timmins didn't get around to picking him until the third round, as the fourth player the club drafted that year. Gainey should just dispense with all those bums who suck up money for no good reason on the team's scouting staff. Just use the CSS list which is provided to all NHL teams. The team is paying millions for those guys to second guess Central Scouting, and about 9 times out of 10 they get it wrong.
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Post by skunk on Apr 14, 2008 11:02:26 GMT -5
Overlooked aspect of White's game is his tremendous durability. Despite the hardnosed style he plays, and the digs about his physical conditioning, Ryan has easily been the most durable, (and probably toughest pound for pound), player the team has drafted since Tomas Plekanec back in 2001.
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Post by skunk on Apr 14, 2008 18:40:03 GMT -5
Not the way we talk here.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Apr 14, 2008 18:48:22 GMT -5
White sits at the top of my prospect list now, alongside Max Pacioretty. He certainly seems like the most complete and pro ready player of all their amateur prospects. White is what they hoped they were getting when they drafted Chipchura in 2004, I think. Interestingly enough, Ryan was the top rated player of all Hab drafted players by CSS in 2006, but Timmins didn't get around to picking him until the third round, as the fourth player the club drafted that year. Gainey should just dispense with all those bums who suck up money for no good reason on the team's scouting staff. Just use the CSS list which is provided to all NHL teams. The team is paying millions for those guys to second guess Central Scouting, and about 9 times out of 10 they get it wrong. Where do you see White playing in the future for Montreal? 2nd/3rd line center? Perhaps moved to the wing? Is 50 to 60 points sound reasonable? |
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Post by skunk on Apr 14, 2008 20:27:26 GMT -5
I think White will end up on the wing. He and Pacioretty would be a perfect set of bookends. At the WJC, both were listed around 6-2, 215 pounds, but I think they were lenient with White's height. Both are widebody types who seem to be naturally strong. Similar to Latendresse. Both play an honest two way game, and aren't shy about dropping the gloves. Pacioretty has the edge in skating, while White probably has better hockey smarts. Both can play centre if necessary, as they are good playmakers.
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 14, 2008 20:43:04 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen someone defend the CSS rankings, which are generally considered to be lacklustre because of the total lack of any character or physical evaluation and limited live scouting. Wow.
edit: To be honest, CSS doesn't ever combine their rankings as far as I can tell. They just rank goalies and skaters separately, and rank NA and Europeans separately. Since we've fired all the scouts, how are we to know whether to pick the #1 Euro goalie, or the #15 NA skater?
CSS is generally intended to be a guideline, not an absolute ranking. It's not funded to be a comprehensive scouting service, and actually only employs a handful of scouts.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 14, 2008 21:53:52 GMT -5
Where do you see White playing in the future for Montreal? 2nd/3rd line center? Perhaps moved to the wing? Is 50 to 60 points sound reasonable? Ryan is pretty good in the faceoff circle and very responsible in the neutral zone and in his own end. So, he does play the centre role in juniors very well. That tends to be a crowded position in the pros, so not sure if they will move him over. He is a really good playmaker and finds his linemates well, so that also fits well with him continuing to play centre. I don't think he has the speed to be a #2 centre in the bigs, but he definitely has the hockey sense and good two way skills to be very effective on the 3rd line. He can play PK and chip in offensively for you as well. Bring on the Hurricanes! |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 15, 2008 11:07:11 GMT -5
great ratings by CSS in 2005, i'm glad you had me "look it up"
Had Benoit Pouliot rated #2 among NA skaters, ahead of jack johnson, the biggest laugh for me was kendall mcardle rated #7, Andrew Cogliano #63, Paul Statsny #74, Kris Russell #95.
i think our bum scouts are doing just fine.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Apr 15, 2008 16:36:41 GMT -5
I was under the impression that White had conditioning issues early in his junior career.Has he corrected that or perhaps I am wrong about his physical condition?
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Post by jkr on Apr 15, 2008 17:43:03 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen someone defend the CSS rankings, which are generally considered to be lacklustre because of the total lack of any character or physical evaluation and limited live scouting. Wow. edit: To be honest, CSS doesn't ever combine their rankings as far as I can tell. They just rank goalies and skaters separately, and rank NA and Europeans separately. Since we've fired all the scouts, how are we to know whether to pick the #1 Euro goalie, or the #15 NA skater? CSS is generally intended to be a guideline, not an absolute ranking. It's not funded to be a comprehensive scouting service, and actually only employs a handful of scouts. Exactly. If it was the definitive list & was a comprehensive service perhaps teams could depend on it more. For Montreal or any other team to dump their scouts & depend on a 3rd opinion like CSS is foohardy to put it mildly. |
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Post by habmeister on Apr 15, 2008 17:45:22 GMT -5
I was under the impression that White had conditioning issues early in his junior career.Has he corrected that or perhaps I am wrong about his physical condition? he still looks like he eats donuts between periods, his work ethic has always been a question mark. some players never get it, hopefully he will when he starts getting paid to play. interesting to see where he begins next season, but he has a lot of work to do to crack the top 12 forwards in this organization. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 15, 2008 17:52:23 GMT -5
great ratings by CSS in 2005, i'm glad you had me "look it up" Had Benoit Pouliot rated #2 among NA skaters, ahead of jack johnson, the biggest laugh for me was kendall mcardle rated #7, Andrew Cogliano #63, Paul Statsny #74, Kris Russell #95. i think our bum scouts are doing just fine. Don't forget Vlasic of the San Jose at #70. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 16, 2008 19:59:33 GMT -5
To answer the question...God I hope not! As much as I like what I've seen of White, I don't see him being anything better than a 3rd line checker or 4th line energy guy. If he's the top prospect, frankly, this team's in trouble.
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Post by habmeister on Apr 16, 2008 22:33:28 GMT -5
To answer the question...God I hope not! As much as I like what I've seen of White, I don't see him being anything better than a 3rd line checker or 4th line energy guy. If he's the top prospect, frankly, this team's in trouble. i would say he's around 10th best, no really great skills, like i've said before the upside for him is 3rd liner, downside 4th liner with the bulldogs. he won't be an energy guy that's for sure, but you could say he's gritty, he's got great vision, passing and he's smart and a leader, i've racked my brain who to compare him to but can't think of an nhler. i only saw maxpac play a bit on tv, but his skills are far far superior to white, in fact maxwell is a much better prospect than white. i don't expect white to make the nhl, but he may, it's up to him if he suddenly becomes known as a hard worker then he might, but so far he hasn't shown that to be his forte. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 17, 2008 1:32:28 GMT -5
Naming him our best prospect would probably not reach a consensus. Of one maybe. In my not so humble opinion, I'd rank MaxPac, Valentenko and Emelin as our best prospects. I've only seen Valentenko play (once in the WJC and once for Hamilton, so even then, what do I know?
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 17, 2008 7:59:05 GMT -5
Oooh... my favorite game! Ranking the prospects! 1. Ryan McDonagh (just wait) 2. Pavel Valentenko / Max Pacioretty (tie) 4. Alexie Emelin (would be higher, if I thought he was coming over) 5. Cedric Desjardins (Halak Junior?) Nothing to actually back that up, but I thought I would throw it out there.  |
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 17, 2008 15:33:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty high on Emelin. The guy is pretty fantastic, but I'm not sure we'll ever see him.
MaxPac is definitely our best offensive prospect at the moment.
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Post by buzz on Apr 18, 2008 13:22:49 GMT -5
Here we go
1 Max Pacioretty Can do it all
2 Ryan McDonagh coming soon to a rink near you
3 Ben Maxwell
4 Yannick Weber
HM Ryan White and Pk
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Post by habmeister on Apr 18, 2008 17:30:39 GMT -5
i can't comment on players i haven't seen live, but i'll throw in maxpac because i saw him on tv, even though i'm a bit reluctant:
1 maxpac
2 emelin
3 maxwell
4 white
the bottom 3 are the only i've seen live
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Post by seventeen on Apr 19, 2008 0:19:28 GMT -5
Oooh... my favorite game! Ranking the prospects! 1. Ryan McDonagh (just wait) 2. Pavel Valentenko / Max Pacioretty (tie) 4. Alexie Emelin (would be higher, if I thought he was coming over) 5. Cedric Desjardins (Halak Junior?) Nothing to actually back that up, but I thought I would throw it out there. Interesting that you'd suggest Desjardins. Because he hasn't played enough (IMO), I sort of forgot about him, but there are some positive signs that imply you could be right. Cedric played extremely well in the MemCup for the Remparts, solidly backstopped a Cincinnati team, and has had a pretty good introduction in Hamilton this year. Doesn't turn 23 until September, so he's still sort of young for a goalie. He may surprise, though Halak progressed faster than Desjardins. |
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