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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 26, 2008 23:51:25 GMT -5
Next Gay's will begin demanding the right to get married, adopt children ang get pregnant. Of course they would need to force a doctor to plant a fetus in their  but they want the right to be able to, even if they physically can't. Acknowledgements to John Cleese in "The Life of Brian." ;D |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2008 8:24:37 GMT -5
I thought this was going to be a serious (albeit a brave one to start) discussion .... but I see it deteriorated with the first post.
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Post by The New Guy on Jun 27, 2008 8:34:31 GMT -5
I thought this was going to be a serious (albeit a brave one to start) discussion .... but I see it deteriorated with the first post. Bite your tongue. Nothing that comes from the lips of one of the Pythons can be considered deteriorated. It is classic comedy. Laugh dammit, laugh! Oh... what were we talking about again? |
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2008 9:26:43 GMT -5
I still can't figure out what's going on in this thread - it's a joke right? |
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Post by HABsurd on Jun 27, 2008 10:08:29 GMT -5
Next Gay's will begin demanding the right to get married, adopt children ang get pregnant. Of course they would need to force a doctor to plant a fetus in their but they want the right to be able to, even if they physically can't. Acknowledgements to John Cleese in "The Life of Brian." ;D ummm, you do realise that a woman can be gay, right? My favourite quote on the subject is from Gore Vidal who said (I am paraphrasing), "Homosexual marriage doesn't interest me for the same reason heterosexual marriage doesn’t seem to interest me." |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2008 12:41:13 GMT -5
I thought this was going to be a serious (albeit a brave one to start) discussion .... but I see it deteriorated with the first post. Bite your tongue. Nothing that comes from the lips of one of the Pythons can be considered deteriorated. It is classic comedy. Laugh dammit, laugh! Oh... what were we talking about again? I have "The Life of Brian" .... not as funny as "Holy Grail" (IMO) but the thread topic is misleading. This country needs a good open honest dialogue on gay "marriage" .... I thought this was an attempt to get a debate on the topic. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 27, 2008 12:47:43 GMT -5
I don't even really think there's something to debate on a national level. Marriage is a contract between two people. If the church doesn't want to allow same-sex marriage, then that's where it should be debated. If any two people going down to the city and getting a marriage license, I don't see why they should be denied that based on their sex.
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Post by jkr on Jun 27, 2008 12:53:47 GMT -5
Bite your tongue. Nothing that comes from the lips of one of the Pythons can be considered deteriorated. It is classic comedy. Laugh dammit, laugh! Oh... what were we talking about again? I have "The Life of Brian" .... not as funny as "Holy Grail" (IMO) but the thread topic is misleading. Agree with you on that - The Holy Grail is a much better film. Now, for what's going on in this thread - I have no idea. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2008 13:35:14 GMT -5
In California, Gay Marriage is a big current event.
My feeling is that it's nobodys business what goes on in the privacy on someones home behind closed doors.
Gay couples are entitled to certain rights, taxation, inheretance, and treatment similar heterosexual couples; but it isn't the same as marriage. I have no problem with the terms "Union" or "Partnership" but forcing priests, rabbis and ministers to perform marriages they don't condone seems wrong.
Definately a non-hockey post, I noticed a close similarity to a scene in the Life of Brian and I agree that it doesn't match the scene where the crusaders ask the French defenders on the castle, "is there anyone else we can speak to?"
It's a long way to training camp and hockey news is slow after the draft, so instead of clapping my hands in glee over Fletchers dismantling of the disfunctional leafs or debating the inference of Sundin putting MAPLE syrop on his pancakes instead of on the snow and what it might indicate long term in a sentence that is already too long, I stirred the pot with a post for discussion, or not.
(Not a gay basher or a gay or a member of Gay Pride)
Don't read too deep into all posts and no intention to offend anyone.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 27, 2008 13:44:54 GMT -5
I have "The Life of Brian" .... not as funny as "Holy Grail" (IMO) but the thread topic is misleading. Agree with you on that - The Holy Grail is a much better film. Now, for what's going on in this thread - I have no idea. The Holy Grail and Live at the Hollywood bowl are my 2 favorites!!! As for Gay marriage....to each their own!! |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2008 17:56:22 GMT -5
Don't read too deep into all posts and no intention to offend anyone. No offense was taken ... and we hold similar views on the subject matter I would surmmise ... but to start a thread on the subject with a facetious pretense and then run is not the way to start a debate on the subject. The first thing to do is accept that all people are different and deserve the same rights. The gay community takes issue (for some reason) if any other terminology is used. I'd like to hear their views (if there are any members who are homosexual/lesbian) why a different terminology disgusts them. On all job aplications we differentiate .... male/female ....aboriginal/disabled/visable minority .... even single/married/divorced/seperated/widow on some..... why can't civil union be added with the same rights as marriage? I wont (at this point) get into the whole adoption aspect of it ... which is where I have the most opposition to gay marriage. I do recognize however, from various gay couples I have met, that a child is much better off in a gay loving environment than with abusive straight parents ...... but I still do not fully agree with it. |
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 27, 2008 18:17:55 GMT -5
I can't sit here and bear to read anymore of these posts on this subject matter. This is a moral and civilization shaping topic that effects every layer of society. The choice is made by people who are probably at the lowest point in their lives to go one way or the other. While I've never known any personally, I can see no reason why they can't be given respect that I or anyone else would expect as a member of mankind. It's not their fault they were born with a genetic defect and a set of operating instructions opposite of my own. I accept them as different but worthy of every right that I have and all the same opportunities I enjoy. It's a big world and a short life. Differences should be tolerated and encouraged. This 2008 afterall. There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Of course Life of Brian was better, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your right to say it. Be free Life of Brian haters!
-Biggus Dickus
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 27, 2008 18:21:35 GMT -5
I can't sit here and bear to read anymore of some of these posts on this subject matter. This is a moral and civilization shaping topic that effects every layer of society. The choice is made by people who are probably at the lowest point in their lives to go one way or the other. While I've never known any personally, I can see no reason why they can't be given respect that I or anyone else would expect as a member of mankind. It's not their fault they were born with a genetic defect and a set of operating instructions opposite of my own. I accept them as different but worthy of every right that I have and all the same opportunities I enjoy. It's a big world and a short life. Differences should be tolerated and encouraged. This 2008 afterall. There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Of course Life of Brian was better, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your right to say it. Be free Life of Brian haters! Good one.... ;D |
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Post by MC Habber on Jun 27, 2008 18:36:35 GMT -5
I can't sit here and bear to read anymore of these posts on this subject matter. This is a moral and civilization shaping topic that effects every layer of society. The choice is made by people who are probably at the lowest point in their lives to go one way or the other. While I've never known any personally, I can see no reason why they can't be given respect that I or anyone else would expect as a member of mankind. It's not their fault they were born with a genetic defect and a set of operating instructions opposite of my own. I accept them as different but worthy of every right that I have and all the same opportunities I enjoy. It's a big world and a short life. Differences should be tolerated and encouraged. This 2008 afterall. There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Of course Life of Brian was better, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your right to say it. Be free Life of Brian haters! -Biggus Dickus You might want to steer clear of calling it a "genetic defect" as I'm pretty sure a lot of people would take offense. Also, it isn't actually known whether it is even genetic. |
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Post by franko on Jun 27, 2008 18:58:39 GMT -5
Well . . . The choice is made by people who are probably at the lowest point in their lives to go one way or the other. . . . It's not their fault they were born with a . . . Which one is it? A personal choice or a genetic predisposition? Actually, that continues to be the main question. If it is indeed genetics, do we accept it as such? What of genetic engineering – should a foetal test be available should it be used to discover the trait? Should the gene be discovered should it be removed/altered if possible? [aside: should have clipped the article I read this week that suggested it is not necessarily genetic as much as it has something to do with brainwaves influencing actions and though processes.] I do know some verypersonally . . . respect as a human being should be a given. The problem is that a small [vocal] minority embarrass a [silent] majority by their actions and their attitudes. Herein lies one of the big problems: some want to be accepted as [forgive the word] “normal”; others want to declare their differences. My question is simple: if they want to be known as “different” why then do then demand treatment as “same”? [honest question!] If they are “queer nation” [no, not queer as in TML weird, but the other queer] why demand all the rights and privileges of “straight nation”. I think this may be the thing that bothers me most: a demand for PRIDE Week (actually, PRIDE Months, because every city celebrates it on a different week, which means that PRIDE happens all summer long . . . and the number of attending celebratees at each event is high because many travel from parade to parade. See above. As to marriage vrs civil unions, the definition of marriage has for centuries been “one man one woman”. Now, by the stroke of a pen and the whim of a judge, the definition is changed. You are right, though: This is indeed a moral and civilization shaping topic that effects every layer of society. Skilly: in answer to your terminology question, the answer is “because that makes us seem different”. Again . . . gays are. And SPAM you all! or not |
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Post by franko on Jun 27, 2008 19:06:43 GMT -5
You might want to steer clear of calling it a "genetic defect" as I'm pretty sure a lot of people would take offense. Yup . . . predispositionI've been involved in a number of discussion genetic/heredity vrs choice/influence. No easy answers, that's for sure. We are in the midst of societal change and shift -- and the definition of "family unit" is going to be discussed, especially when it comes to taxation. Two people in a loving relationship? Three? Four? Unmarried brother and sister sharing a house? Child looking after parent(s)? Who gets tax breaks and who doesn't? |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2008 19:35:31 GMT -5
There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Stop at the next planet, and I'll hop off.  I'm sure the "Life of Brian" quote brought alot of smiles to many a face ...... but again, I am left feeling the underlying intent (correct me if I am wrong) was to get a "little conservative dig" in at the serious societal question of gay marriage - which is why the thread used that title. If not, why not name it "Life of Brian Funny Quotes" (or the like). Making fun of something is not the way to start a serious constructive debate with a group. Which is why I was taken aback ..... |
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 27, 2008 20:02:01 GMT -5
No need to explain, Skilly. We understand. You're different than most of us....and that's okay.  Maybe it's the heat. Maybe it's Sundin. I dunno. |
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 27, 2008 20:08:06 GMT -5
I can't sit here and bear to read anymore of these posts on this subject matter. This is a moral and civilization shaping topic that effects every layer of society. The choice is made by people who are probably at the lowest point in their lives to go one way or the other. While I've never known any personally, I can see no reason why they can't be given respect that I or anyone else would expect as a member of mankind. It's not their fault they were born with a genetic defect and a set of operating instructions opposite of my own. I accept them as different but worthy of every right that I have and all the same opportunities I enjoy. It's a big world and a short life. Differences should be tolerated and encouraged. This 2008 afterall. There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Of course Life of Brian was better, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your right to say it. Be free Life of Brian haters! -Biggus Dickus You might want to steer clear of calling it a "genetic defect" as I'm pretty sure a lot of people would take offense. Also, it isn't actually known whether it is even genetic. You do know my post was a double entendre, right? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2008 20:42:57 GMT -5
I can't sit here and bear to read anymore of these posts on this subject matter. This is a moral and civilization shaping topic that effects every layer of society. The choice is made by people who are probably at the lowest point in their lives to go one way or the other. While I've never known any personally, I can see no reason why they can't be given respect that I or anyone else would expect as a member of mankind. It's not their fault they were born with a genetic defect and a set of operating instructions opposite of my own. I accept them as different but worthy of every right that I have and all the same opportunities I enjoy. It's a big world and a short life. Differences should be tolerated and encouraged. This 2008 afterall. There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Of course Life of Brian was better, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your right to say it. Be free Life of Brian haters! -Biggus Dickus You might want to steer clear of calling it a "genetic defect" as I'm pretty sure a lot of people would take offense. Also, it isn't actually known whether it is even genetic. I agree that genetic defect escalates the debate (if there is one) as to whether Gays are defects or not. Again, what someone does in the privacy of their own house is none of my business (al long as it's two consenting adults). Darwin probably wouldn't consider it a genetic advantage for the viability of the species. I'm repulsed at the thought of picking up a guy in a bar, and I guess they take the opposite view. Some people want to use handcuffs and some cover themselves with whipped cream. Not my cup of tea but again, none of my business. I have no right to tell somebody who to love, but they have no right to tell a priest that they have to preside over a wedding that isn't approved by the church. In California, the priest could be charged with intolerance if he discriminates based on sexual orientation. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 27, 2008 20:49:03 GMT -5
There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Stop at the next planet, and I'll hop off. I'm sure the "Life of Brian" quote brought alot of smiles to many a face ...... but again, I am left feeling the underlying intent (correct me if I am wrong) was to get a "little conservative dig" in at the serious societal question of gay marriage - which is why the thread used that title. If not, why not name it "Life of Brian Funny Quotes" (or the like). Making fun of something is not the way to start a serious constructive debate with a group. Which is why I was taken aback ..... Using a teaser as the subject is like a government beuracrat saying "I'm here to help" or a phone solicitor starting with "this is a survey." Advertising sells. 90% of all car magazines have a beautiful girl stretched over the hood of a car in positions no mechanic would ever try. Just watch Hillary as she uses Obama to get back the $10 million she overspent to defeat him. She will say anything to further her cause and use anybody to get there. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2008 20:59:02 GMT -5
No need to explain, Skilly. We understand. You're different than most of us....and that's okay. Maybe it's the heat. Maybe it's Sundin. I dunno. I'm not screwed up , the rest of the world is ..... Anyway, I am not sure what you mean..... and that's ok too.  |
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 27, 2008 22:50:40 GMT -5
I can't sit here and bear to read anymore of these posts on this subject matter. This is a moral and civilization shaping topic that effects every layer of society. The choice is made by people who are probably at the lowest point in their lives to go one way or the other. While I've never known any personally, I can see no reason why they can't be given respect that I or anyone else would expect as a member of mankind. It's not their fault they were born with a genetic defect and a set of operating instructions opposite of my own. I accept them as different but worthy of every right that I have and all the same opportunities I enjoy. It's a big world and a short life. Differences should be tolerated and encouraged. This 2008 afterall. There's no room in the world for I-think-HolyGrail-was-better-than-LifeofBrian bashers. Of course Life of Brian was better, but that doesn't mean I don't respect your right to say it. Be free Life of Brian haters! -Biggus Dickus You might want to steer clear of calling it a "genetic defect" as I'm pretty sure a lot of people would take offense. Also, it isn't actually known whether it is even genetic. CV pulled the old comic switcheroo. Had the reader thinking sexual preference and then revealed it was Python preference. "Three's Company" dined on that "misunderstanding" premise. |
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Post by cigarviper on Jun 28, 2008 9:29:38 GMT -5
You might want to steer clear of calling it a "genetic defect" as I'm pretty sure a lot of people would take offense. Also, it isn't actually known whether it is even genetic. CV pulled the old comic switcheroo. Had the reader thinking sexual preference and then revealed it was Python preference. "Three's Company" dined on that "misunderstanding" premise. "Hey Jack. I got your pot. The guy told me it was the best pot in town." "That's great, Larry. Can you bring it over right away? I really need to have it now. I've been craving for it all day." |
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Post by franko on Jun 28, 2008 10:55:12 GMT -5
I recall a case in Saskatchewan a couple of years ago [OK, probably more than a couple of years ago, but they all run together now . . . he sez as he reaches for his cane to get to his rocking chair] where a couple of cabinet ministers [under investigation] we're taped [legal wiretap] talking:
I've got the pot; you'll bring the coke? Good.
Speedy arrest.
At court: I was bringing the pot for boiling the corn [or some such thing] . . . I was bringing the mix for the drinks.
Case thrown out.
[/end threadjack]
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Post by MC Habber on Jun 28, 2008 12:37:46 GMT -5
You might want to steer clear of calling it a "genetic defect" as I'm pretty sure a lot of people would take offense. Also, it isn't actually known whether it is even genetic. You do know my post was a double entendre, right? Even so. |
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but they want the right to be able to, even if they physically can't.
