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Post by halihab on Jul 16, 2008 6:27:04 GMT -5
Mike Boone (Habsinsideout) is reporting a 3 team trade rumor involving L.A., Chicago, and Ottawa. Ottawa will send Gerber and Meszaros to L.A., L.A. will send Anze Kopitar to Chicago and the Sens will receive khabibulin and either Seabrook or Barker. What do you think ? If it's true, the Sens win this one.  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 16, 2008 6:51:31 GMT -5
...IMO, Chicago has the inside track. They get the better player in Kopitar and they gain back quite a bit of cap points.
Bullin appears done like diner and I'm not convinced either Seabrook or Barker are an upgrade on Mezarros. Sideway move IMO with the possibility of actually ending up a downgrade.
Horrible deal for LA though...
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Post by franko on Jul 16, 2008 6:54:54 GMT -5
It'd be a total shock to see Seabrooke moved.
Ottawa's depleted defense gets worse (with Barker vrs Meszaros); the goaltending situation may or may not improve.
LA needs a g, though.
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Post by jkr on Jul 16, 2008 7:05:36 GMT -5
...IMO, Chicago has the inside track. They get the better player in Kopitar and they gain back quite a bit of cap points. Bullin appears done like diner and I'm not convinced either Seabrook or Barker are an upgrade on Mezarros. Sideway move IMO with the possibility of actually ending up a downgrade. Horrible deal for LA though... What's LA thinking. They deal away Kopitar & get Gerber & Mezsaros. They had a great crop of young forwards. First Cammalleri goes & now Kopitar? I like Chicago's end too. I never expected the Hawks to keep Khabibulin once Huet was signed. They get rid of his contract, perhaps a young D like Barker & get Kopitar back. Good move. BTW, if Lombardi wants to trade Kopitar, Gainey should jump in there with an offer. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 16, 2008 7:19:09 GMT -5
...IMO, Chicago has the inside track. They get the better player in Kopitar and they gain back quite a bit of cap points. Bullin appears done like diner and I'm not convinced either Seabrook or Barker are an upgrade on Mezarros. Sideway move IMO with the possibility of actually ending up a downgrade. Horrible deal for LA though... BTW, if Lombardi wants to trade Kopitar, Gainey should jump in there with an offer. …especially if what Lombardi wants is a young goalie and a young D… Halak, Valentenko and Chip for Kopitar ? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 16, 2008 7:29:12 GMT -5
Be interesting if this comes around.
Doc, I think you're right about Chicago. If this is true then Murray still doesn't have confidence in Gerber. khabibulin will at least give the Sens some goaltending they won't have to worry about.
Franko, has Meszaros gone to arbitration? I know he was asking for a hefty raise. If so, maybe Murray is considering this as well. Still, acquiring either Seabrook or Barker will make Sens' fans forget about Meszaros pretty quickly.
IMO, Chicago is building their club very well. They've been tweaking their club from the goal, out. First they acquired Brian Campbell for their young blueliners coming up in the system. Then they went out and acquired Huet, so they're looking good there. Now they're looking at a blue chip stud in Kopitar and they have the horses to go the other way.
If there's an uncertainty, then it might be in LA. Of the three clubs involved, I see them getting a bit better on defence, but they're giving up a lot in Kopitar. I also don't see Gerber making a huge splash as well. Could be wrong though.
Have to wonder if Gainey might have gone after Kopitar if he knew he was available.
Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 16, 2008 7:35:56 GMT -5
thismakes no sense ....
why wouldnt Lombadi just deal directly with Ottawa. Different conference, they'd get a better goalie and a better defenseman.
Ottawa would have a fine young prospect (to go with Alfie, Heatley, and Spezza). They'd no long have only one line ... and they could make a trade for that goalie they feel they deperately need, either by flipping Kopitar or Spezza, or using assets they have.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 16, 2008 7:40:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure there is any real winner with this deal, but as people already said, I like what Chicago is doing.
However, I think Ottawa is just making things worse with another goaltender controversy.
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Post by franko on Jul 16, 2008 7:57:49 GMT -5
If this is true then Murray still doesn't have confidence in Gerber. He was hoping that Emery would be the man . . . now he's stuck with his second choice and not all that excited about it. Maybe. He hasn't been lights-out either. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 16, 2008 8:06:52 GMT -5
A lot of teams inquired about Seabrooke at the trade deadline and were told that the Hawks were building their d around him. I know they have Campbell now, but Brent is going to be solid for years to come . . . it'd be a mistake to let him go. I guess we can say that any team would miss a Brent Seabrook. Yet, at the same time, not all teams can boast having Duncan Keith and Cam Barker on their blueline in addition to Seabrook. (was talking to a local radio sports dude here in K-town who said Duncan Keith is a phenominal skater and prospect) None of us knows if this rumour has any substance to it. But, if it does then it looks as if Chicago is dealing from a position of depth. Bringing in Kopitar would be a major coup IMO. Cheers. Edit: I think you're probably right about Khabibulan and Huet. However, I feel Huet is better than what they've had over the past few seasons. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 16, 2008 8:12:21 GMT -5
I can’t see LA wanting any part of that deal. I could see them being interested in Gerber as a backup/safety net for Jonathon Bernier, but not at that price. Kopitar is already a super-star, is only 21, and is pretty much everything every team in the league wants to get a hold of. Believe it or not I am still not convinced Carey Price was a better pick than him, and I certainly wouldn’t give up Price for Gerber and Mezaros. I’m actually a pretty big fan of Dean Lombardi, so I don’t think he’d be hoodwinked into that one. Substitute Laurie Tukonen for Anze Kopitar, and maybe you’d have something.
One thing to keep an eye on though is that LA is apparently REALLY under the minumum floor for the salary cap, so they are going to have to pick up some big-time salary in the next couple of months. So Gerber, or even Khabibulin may in fact end up there, but I’m thinking the cost will be much lower than this deal.
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Post by jkr on Jul 16, 2008 8:22:06 GMT -5
One thing to keep an eye on though is that LA is apparently REALLY under the minumum floor for the salary cap, so they are going to have to pick up some big-time salary in the next couple of months. So Gerber, or even Khabibulin may in fact end up there, but I’m thinking the cost will be much lower than this deal. has them at 27 million. |
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Post by The Habsome One on Jul 16, 2008 9:21:25 GMT -5
I can’t see LA wanting any part of that deal. I could see them being interested in Gerber as a backup/safety net for Jonathon Bernier, but not at that price. Kopitar is already a super-star, is only 21, and is pretty much everything every team in the league wants to get a hold of. Believe it or not I am still not convinced Carey Price was a better pick than him, and I certainly wouldn’t give up Price for Gerber and Mezaros. I’m actually a pretty big fan of Dean Lombardi, so I don’t think he’d be hoodwinked into that one. Substitute Laurie Tukonen for Anze Kopitar, and maybe you’d have something. Exactly. Kopitar and Brown are untouchables in LA, where many aren't convinced yet even that Malkin is better than Kopitar. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 16, 2008 11:45:05 GMT -5
Kopitar is already a super-star, is only 21, and is pretty much everything every team in the league wants to get a hold of. Absolutely agree BC. If Kopitar is available at this point, it's because there has to be something terribly wrong with him that the Kings found out. Or Lombardi has been infected by the Milbury virus. |
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Post by clear observer on Jul 16, 2008 12:02:07 GMT -5
Kopitar is already a super-star, is only 21, and is pretty much everything every team in the league wants to get a hold of. Absolutely agree BC. If Kopitar is available at this point, it's because there has to be something terribly wrong with him that the Kings found out. Or Lombardi has been infected by the Milbury virus. Or...uh.....he's NOT available. |
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Post by blny on Jul 16, 2008 12:25:33 GMT -5
I think this deal only makes sense from the perspective of Chicago. IMO they get the best player in the deal. LA and Ottawa get underachieving, overpaid, goalies. Ottawa gets a good defenseman in either Barker or Seabrook, but are either any better than Mezsaros? Not sure. They add a pile of cap hit too by taking Khabibulin. IMO, that sacrifice alone should get them more in this deal than they're getting. If they take the biggest hit, they should get the best player in the deal.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 16, 2008 12:30:36 GMT -5
Trading Kopitar sounds like something that only a Rejean Foule would do.
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Post by blny on Jul 16, 2008 12:58:34 GMT -5
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Post by clear observer on Jul 16, 2008 14:31:17 GMT -5
Good Lord....Kopitar on the move? ....hurry Bob, make a pitch.....MAKE A PITCH!!!!!!! |
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Post by Douper on Jul 16, 2008 15:34:14 GMT -5
The only reason LA - Chicago are even talking trades for these guys is because of the Cap. Chicago needs to bring their Cap # down and LA needs to bring it up. If I was LA I would take Ottawa out of the equation and just talk with the Hawks. Khabibulin is better than Gerber and getting a Barker/Seabrook and or Sharp is better than Mezaros.
If they deal Kopitar they are my #1 pick for Idiots of the year.
If Kopitar ends up centering Kane and Toew's, I can see JT scoring 50 this year.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jul 16, 2008 18:09:43 GMT -5
If Kopitar's truly on the block, Gainey should go all out and get him here. It would also put an end to the Sundin "speculation."
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Post by seventeen on Jul 16, 2008 19:45:06 GMT -5
As its been said, Lombardi is no fool. Would anyone seriously give up a stud centre (exactly the type of guy we've been clamoring for), at the tender age of 21, for an average (at best) goalie and a decent young defenseman? Maybe during an acid trip, but not stone cold sober. Did this 'rumour' start out of Chicago?
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Post by HFTO on Jul 16, 2008 20:28:12 GMT -5
Somebody's smoking crack..the Kings giving up a franchise player for a decent D man and a second tier goalie?
Might as well revoke the KIngs team if this deal ever went down.
HFTO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2008 21:42:30 GMT -5
Somebody's smoking crack.. No kidding. If there's that much rock going around, they should at least share. Or is it that slow of a day for sports reporters? |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 18, 2008 9:23:11 GMT -5
Good Lord....Kopitar on the move? ....hurry Bob, make a pitch.....MAKE A PITCH!!!!!!! Halak, (I'd be happy with Denis in Mtl), Komi (  , its either him or Higgins I tell you) and a pick. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 18, 2008 10:07:37 GMT -5
In all of these rumoured trades the Senators make out like bandits.
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Post by clear observer on Jul 18, 2008 10:26:09 GMT -5
Good Lord....Kopitar on the move? ....hurry Bob, make a pitch.....MAKE A PITCH!!!!!!! Halak, (I'd be happy with Denis in Mtl), Komi ( , its either him or Higgins I tell you) and a pick. If I'm L.A. I ask for Higgins AS WELL....at the very least....and probably STILL lose sleep ( or my job ). |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 18, 2008 12:15:00 GMT -5
...ok, here's a twist, knowing LA really needs a goalie and we really need a top center, would you folks do Price for Kopitar ?
...I know BC would.
...frankly, I would as well as I think Halak as Vokoun/Kipper kind of upside...
Opinions ?
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Post by Gogie on Jul 18, 2008 12:48:53 GMT -5
NO.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 18, 2008 12:58:31 GMT -5
Don't know Doc. Is Kopitar considered a franchise centre playing in a bad franchise?
Goaltending and defence wins championships mate. Don't know if I'd do this one. Unless someone can convince me that Jason Missiaen will pan out, I probably wouldn't do it.
Cheers.
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, its either him or Higgins I tell you) and a pick.