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Post by Skilly on Sept 20, 2008 18:41:22 GMT -5
the PM of this country says on national TV that NL joined Confederation in 1867 Harper said this? When? He said this about a month ago. He was in the province to announce funding for Cupids who are about to celebrate 400 years. www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/080814/K081406AU.htmlNewfoundland was present as an observer at both Confederation meetings. We actually asked for inclusion during the second meeting, but were denied. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 20, 2008 18:46:30 GMT -5
It isn't that Canada doesn't study Newfoundland . . . Would we call PEI "Prince", or "Prince Edward" , how about calling BC "Columbia", or NS "Scotia" ....... my province is Newfoundland and Labrador. Even if someone from away does pronounce Newfoundland (New-Fin-land) correctly they leave out half the provincial name. Not directed personally at you ... just a pet peeve |
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Post by MC Habber on Sept 20, 2008 19:18:25 GMT -5
He said this about a month ago. He was in the province to announce funding for Cupids who are about to celebrate 400 years. www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/080814/K081406AU.htmlNewfoundland was present as an observer at both Confederation meetings. We actually asked for inclusion during the second meeting, but were denied. Sounds from that article like he just misspoke. Though I don't know what he meant about it being a "family reunion." |
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Post by MC Habber on Sept 20, 2008 19:24:16 GMT -5
It isn't that Canada doesn't study Newfoundland . . . Would we call PEI "Prince", or "Prince Edward" , how about calling BC "Columbia", or NS "Scotia" ....... my province is Newfoundland and Labrador. Even if someone from away does pronounce Newfoundland (New-Fin-land) correctly they leave out half the provincial name. Not directed personally at you ... just a pet peeve I wonder if people in the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations mind that most people refer to the state as simply Rhode Island. In that case, I imagine that many think that is the full name, whereas I think most Canadians are aware of Labrador and just leave it out for brevity. Is this not common among Newfoundland and Labradorians too? |
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Post by franko on Sept 20, 2008 20:10:18 GMT -5
It isn't that Canada doesn't study Newfoundland . . . Would we call PEI "Prince", or "Prince Edward" , how about calling BC "Columbia", or NS "Scotia" ....... my province is Newfoundland and Labrador. Even if someone from away does pronounce Newfoundland (New-Fin-land) correctly they leave out half the provincial name. Not directed personally at you ... just a pet peeve I think MCH [abbreviated ;D] has it: it's a contraction [though I am sure than many do not realize the correct "full name" of the province]. We call Prince Edward Island PEI. We call British Columbia BC. Abbreviations. And about the pronunciation . . . interesting . . . I heard Newfoundlanders pronounce the name three different ways while I was there [though they all at one time or another pronounced it "dying but hopefully coming back to life]. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 20, 2008 20:49:14 GMT -5
And about the pronunciation . . . interesting . . . I heard Newfoundlanders pronounce the name three different ways while I was there [though they all at one time or another pronounced it "dying but hopefully coming back to life]. Franko, I've been to every nook and cranny in this province and we all pronounce it the same ... the dialects are different and where you aren't use to them you probably misheard. I've never met anyone here who calls it New-Found-Lind .... (and that's lind not land ... but we do pronounce the lasy syllable as "land") |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 20, 2008 20:55:23 GMT -5
Would we call PEI "Prince", or "Prince Edward" , how about calling BC "Columbia", or NS "Scotia" ....... my province is Newfoundland and Labrador. Even if someone from away does pronounce Newfoundland (New-Fin-land) correctly they leave out half the provincial name. Not directed personally at you ... just a pet peeve I wonder if people in the State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations mind that most people refer to the state as simply Rhode Island. In that case, I imagine that many think that is the full name, whereas I think most Canadians are aware of Labrador and just leave it out for brevity. Is this not common among Newfoundland and Labradorians too? A Labradorian would never call the province Newfoundland. And its debateable when an islander says Newfoundland. Myself, I mean the island, which is in fact called Newfoundland. But I work for the province, so it is ingrained in me to call the province by its true name. |
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Post by MC Habber on Sept 20, 2008 20:57:13 GMT -5
Who says Lind?
Newfinland
Newfindland
Noofinland
Noofindland
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Post by Skilly on Sept 20, 2008 21:00:34 GMT -5
But getting back to the thread ... Canada's Identity.
The country has more identity with Britain. We still name our vessels after the monarchy (HMS), and our penitentiaries, and we still have our country referred to as Her majesty in the courts, ..... and we have a representative of the queen in our governments.
We have no identity because we hold on to Britain's ....
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Post by MC Habber on Sept 20, 2008 21:03:09 GMT -5
But getting back to the thread ... Canada's Identity. The country has more identity with Britain. We still name our vessels after the monarchy (HMS), and our penitentiaries, and we still have our country referred to as Her majesty in the courts, ..... and we have a representative of the queen in our governments. We have no identity because we hold on to Britain's .... I disagree with that. Those are all formalities; I bet a lot of people don't even know what HMS means. I don't think most people hold on to a British identity at all. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 20, 2008 21:03:13 GMT -5
Who says Lind? Newfinland Newfindland Noofinland Noofindland LOL... alot of people ... the most common one is New-Foundlind (the last part said really fast almost as one) Who says New-find-land? I've never heard anyone say "find". |
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Post by MC Habber on Sept 20, 2008 21:05:07 GMT -5
Who says Lind? Newfinland Newfindland Noofinland Noofindland LOL... alot of people ... the most common one is New-Foundlind (the last part said really fast almost as one) Who says New-find-land? I've never heard anyone say "find". It's pronounced finned (like lind), so it sounds almost the same. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 20, 2008 22:03:07 GMT -5
Who says Lind? Newfinland Newfindland Noofinland Noofindland LOL... alot of people ... the most common one is New-Foundlind (the last part said really fast almost as one). Yep ... heard that a lot through the years, Skilly. When I first read it, it actually reminded me of some friends we had from the Magdalene Islands. They had that pronunciation and were sometimes very hard to understand. One thing that used to miff my Newfoundland buddies in the service was when they heard "New-Foundland." Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 20, 2008 23:00:55 GMT -5
I've often found that the fact that so many people came here from elsewhere and maintained some contact was the root of some of our national unity problems..... Quebec has deeper roots here and people know their ancestry farther back than most immigrants, and those ancestors were right here, and we have a lot of hyphenated-Canadians who respect other cultures but expect that over time everyone should integrate the mainstream anglo-Canadian culture.... and don't get that Quebecers aren't another type of immigrant, but a distinct nation.... of course, our all-around awful education system doesn't help, since kids graduate high school without knowing even the basics of our history....
I still find it strange that we can have Louis Riel and John A. Macdonald High Schools one next to another, whereas MacDonald had Louis Riel shot as a traitor...
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Post by MC Habber on Sept 21, 2008 3:53:41 GMT -5
I've often found that the fact that so many people came here from elsewhere and maintained some contact was the root of some of our national unity problems..... Quebec has deeper roots here and people know their ancestry farther back than most immigrants, and those ancestors were right here, and we have a lot of hyphenated-Canadians who respect other cultures but expect that over time everyone should integrate the mainstream anglo-Canadian culture.... and don't get that Quebecers aren't another type of immigrant, but a distinct nation.... I haven't heard too many people express the view that Quebecois are immigrants who should integrate into anglo-Canadian culture. I have heard people laugh at the idea that Quebec is a nation, because they define "nation" in the technical sense of being a sovereign country. FWIW, in eighth grade, I had a great history teacher who taught us a ton of world (not Canadian) history. I was a good student, loved the class and did well in it, and yet, within a couple of years I had forgotten probably 75% of what I'd learned because I wasn't using it. I suspect that most people just aren't going to remember a lot of what they learn before a certain age unless it directly relates to their future studies or they have a special interest in that area. But there's only so much you can cram into the last couple of years of high school when I think it's more likely to stick. |
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Post by franko on Sept 21, 2008 6:42:24 GMT -5
And about the pronunciation . . . interesting . . . I heard Newfoundlanders pronounce the name three different ways while I was there [though they all at one time or another pronounced it "dying but hopefully coming back to life]. Franko, I've been to every nook and cranny in this province and we all pronounce it the same ... the dialects are different and where you aren't use to them you probably misheard. There-in lies the reason for so many "mainland" mispronunciations -- we repeat what we [think] we heard! A Labradorian would never call the province Newfoundland. And its debateable when an islander says Newfoundland. Myself, I mean the island, which is in fact called Newfoundland. But I work for the province, so it is ingrained in me to call the province by its true name. I think that when most many some people just say Newfoundland they refer only to the Island rather than the province [and sadly don't even think of Labrador at all] |
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Post by CrocRob on Sept 21, 2008 10:30:55 GMT -5
I admit I say Newfoundland for the sake of brevity. My brother in law's family is from Labrador but I'd never heard any complaints. I'll try to use all 7 syllables from here on in.
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Post by cigarviper on Sept 21, 2008 14:51:36 GMT -5
The new season is upon us with the most exciting team in decades ripe for a historic run and you guys are debating labels?
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Post by franko on Sept 21, 2008 15:46:39 GMT -5
Preseason . . . so we're getting warmed up too
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Post by cigarviper on Sept 21, 2008 15:50:33 GMT -5
Preseason . . . so we're getting warmed up too Alright then. Party on. |
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