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Post by CrocRob on Dec 24, 2008 11:15:03 GMT -5
Not that the senate does much, but Harper filled the 18 spots as I'm sure you're all aware. Anyone have any comments on the list? - Defeated MP Fabian Manning (N.L.)
- CTV Broadcaster Mike Duffy (P.E.I)
- Former Broadcaster Pamela Wallin (Sask.)
- Olympic Medallist Nancy Greene Raine (B.C.)
- Businessman Irving Gerstein (Ont.)
- Former PC MP Suzanne Fortin-Duplessis (Que.)
- (Former?) Parti Québécois Separatist Michel Rivard (Que.)
- Lawyer Fred Dickson (N.S.).
- Stephen Greene, former deputy chief of staff to N.S. Premier Rodney MacDonald (N.S.).
- N.S. businessman Michael L. MacDonald (N.S.).
- Long-time New Brunswick MLA and cabinet minister Percy Mockler (N.B.).
- Lawyer John D. Wallace (N.B.).
- National chief of the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples Patrick Brazeau (Que.).
- Director of Via Rail Canada Leo Housakos (Que.).
- Nicole Eaton, member of the prominent Eaton family (Ont.).
- Co-founder of the Corean Canadian Coactive (C3) Society Yonah Martin (B.C.).
- Former Yukon MLA Hector Daniel Lang (Yukon).
- BC Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Richard Neufeld (B.C.)
I think that's all 18. Not sure what requisites there are for being a Senate appointee. Looking at that list, it seems none in particular. Very surprised at the appointment of a separatist after all the anti-Bloc stuff. |
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Post by franko on Dec 24, 2008 11:26:11 GMT -5
Not sure what requisites there are for being a Senate appointee. A warm body and a willingness to cash a cheque. In this case, all have agreed to vote for Senate reform and to step aside if such a thing ever becomes reality [ya, right]. While this was a smart political move [let's face it, if when the Liberals regain power they'll stock the Senate with their own, as they have in the past], it was a poor -- and perhaps hypocritical [still not sure about that] political move -- you can bet that the other parties are going to bring up the "Harper promised to reform the Senate but look what he did" card during the next election. |
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 24, 2008 11:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Dec 24, 2008 12:12:45 GMT -5
Interesting to see Trudeau appointees still on the list.
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Post by CrocRob on Dec 24, 2008 12:56:19 GMT -5
Interesting to see Trudeau appointees still on the list. How did Trudeau appoint a rep for Nunavut? Willie Adams must have been a NWT rep before being grandfathered into Nunavut, I guess. Doesn't that seem ridiculous, though? |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 24, 2008 13:37:22 GMT -5
Overheard senate appointment conversation, “I’ve got this thing and it’s f#@king golden, and, uh, uh, I’m just not giving it up for f#@kin’ nothing. I’m not gonna do it. And, and I can always use it. I can parachute me there.”
Now that's the way we do it down south.
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Post by clear observer on Jan 9, 2009 11:19:51 GMT -5
If we all stopped voting, would the politicians go away?
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Post by Cranky on Jan 10, 2009 14:11:43 GMT -5
While this was a smart political move [let's face it, if when the Liberals regain power they'll stock the Senate with their own, as they have in the past], THAT is the reason Harper did it. For crying out loud, the Three Stooges did not even have the reigns and they were discussing how they are going to "stock" the senate. Even freaken Elizabeth "MeToo" May was lining herself up for an appointment. Abolish it oe make it elected. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 10, 2009 14:15:31 GMT -5
If we all stopped voting, would the politicians go away? And who would waste our money, tell us what to do and control our lives? You? BC? Last time BC gave me "life" advice, I landed up on Younge Street looking for fishnet stockings. (He said it was THE coolest metrosexual "fashion"). |
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Post by clear observer on Jan 12, 2009 11:32:57 GMT -5
And who would waste our money, tell us what to do and control our lives? You? Ok. And who would waste our money, tell us what to do and control our lives? BC? No. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2009 11:34:34 GMT -5
If we all stopped voting, would the politicians go away? Would you rather see them on your daily trip to Tim's? |
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Post by The New Guy on Jan 12, 2009 14:37:54 GMT -5
Abolish it oe make it elected. Keep on dreamin' HA. Revolutionizing the senate would require a constitutional amendment, which probably will require a referendum and the support of all the provinces. And then it has to pass in the senate, which would be difficult to say the least. Ideally I'd like to see it used to give the parties proportional representation. Some parties (namely the NDP and the Greens) squeal that they don't get enough seats, and the senate, IMHO, is an ideal place for them. Five year terms, no senator can serve more consecutive terms, appointed by the parties based on vote totals across Canada and the House has the ability to override the senate with a super majority of 65%. Sounds lovely to me. But it'll not happen in our lifetime. |
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Post by Cranky on Jan 13, 2009 21:48:26 GMT -5
But it'll not happen in our lifetime. Then vote for me as the next King dictator master Prime Minister. |
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Post by The New Guy on Jan 14, 2009 11:41:44 GMT -5
But it'll not happen in our lifetime. Then vote for me as the next King dictator master Prime Minister. I could stock parliament with you (make 50-60% of the MP's clones of HA - now that's a scary thought) and I still wouldn't see it. You have to pass it through the senate. You have to secure the approval of the provinces. It'd be like the repatriation of the constitution, but less popular. Now a revolution - that might work. But good luck with that. We're not a revolutionary people. Most of us are quite happy with the way things are. Why rock the boat? |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 23, 2009 15:58:15 GMT -5
Not that the senate does much, but Harper filled the 18 spots as I'm sure you're all aware. Anyone have any comments on the list? - Businessman Irving Gerstein (Ont.)
How quaint .... A little background... The Conservatives are charged, and it is still before the courts, with violating the Elections Canada Act. They allegedly sent a million dollars to the constituencies for advertising, and then immediately took the money back and spent in on national advertising trying to hide it by saying the ads were for the constituencies .... doesn't sound so bad, but the thing is that all the advertising was planned months in advance so it appears that this was all intricately planned out and a deliberate attempt to side-step the Elections Acts. The Parliamentary Committee on Procedure and House Affairs were trying to hold hearings into this matter but Conservatives keep failing to show up, even when they have been summoned to appear - 31 summons were issued. But before the Committee could get to the bottom or get someone in the Conservative party to cooperate - Harper calls a snap election. So with rumblings that the Committee will regroup and start calling witnesses after the proroguement, what does Harper do? Why he appoints Gerstein as a Senator. Why is that important? Because Gerstein was head of the fundraising for the Conservatives 2006 election that is in question ... and he was the "star" witness (for lack of a better word) that the Committee was trying to get to appear before it prior to the 2008 election.... So? ... well, you see, in Canada, a SENATOR can not be summoned to appear before a Parliamentary Committee ... ... so once again the Conservatives are evidentally above the law of the land ... |
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Post by franko on Jan 23, 2009 16:14:39 GMT -5
quick learners, Skilly
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