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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 25, 2009 13:05:52 GMT -5
According to François I got the tape Gagnon, Laraque fully expects to be traded before the deadline.
Internet rumors has it that Begin has been told that he'll be moved or even waived...
...apparently HABS are seeking some cap space to complete a move.
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Post by halihab on Feb 25, 2009 14:02:52 GMT -5
According to François I got the tape Gagnon, Laraque fully expects to be traded before the deadline. Internet rumors has it that Begin has been told that he'll be moved or even waived... ...apparently HABS are seeking some cap space to complete a move. Not much of a surprise to me Doc. |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 25, 2009 14:21:41 GMT -5
Neither has been an impact player this season. This isn't a shock, though moving Laraque's contract might prove more difficult than shipping Begin anywhere.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 25, 2009 14:39:51 GMT -5
Can we waive Gagnon?
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Post by jkr on Feb 25, 2009 14:40:21 GMT -5
According to François I got the tape Gagnon, Laraque fully expects to be traded before the deadline. Internet rumors has it that Begin has been told that he'll be moved or even waived... ...apparently HABS are seeking some cap space to complete a move. Love that nick name you have given gagnon - LOL. I read that bit about Laraque but a little surprised to hear about Begin. he served the team well for a guy that was a waiver pickup himself. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 25, 2009 14:40:47 GMT -5
wave bye - bye  |
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Post by Douper on Feb 25, 2009 14:49:45 GMT -5
Someone in the West will want BGL.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 25, 2009 15:06:21 GMT -5
Getting rid of Laraque and Begin frees up 2.5 million in annual cap space. Add that to the 3.5 million in annual cap space we have available (700k), we could get a player with an annual cap hit of 6 million
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Post by duster on Feb 25, 2009 15:56:32 GMT -5
I think Begin deserves respect and I hope Bob finds a good place for him to continue his career. He has performed yeoman service with the Habs.
Granted, BGL has sucked this year. He does scare the living daylights out of Lucic though and I'd hate to see the latter in the playoffs repeat his shameful performance from earlier this season when he was openly taunting the Habs bench with impunity.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2009 16:03:00 GMT -5
I think a bit part of Laraque's struggles this year can be attributed to his groin. While he's still slower than Cecil Fielder rounding the bases, he's skated better since returning from injury. I think what compounds things is that we are generally a fast team. It makes him seem even slower out there.
There's talk of the Sharks having interest in Chris Neil. Perhaps they'd want the reigning champ. That said, as duster points out, I'd hate to be without that presence should we face Boston in the playoffs.
Begin is a sentimental favorite. No doubt. He's becoming less and less effective though. If we can find a taker for him I have no problem with that. He's a free agent after this season, so a late pick seems like it would be sufficient. Stewart is showing he can do the job.
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Post by jkr on Feb 25, 2009 16:30:10 GMT -5
Getting rid of Laraque and Begin frees up 2.5 million in annual cap space. Add that to the 3.5 million in annual cap space we have available (700k), we could get a player with an annual cap hit of 6 million Admit it Skilly - you're lobbying for a job in the NHL as a capologist.  Maybe we can sneak you into the Leafs organization as a spy. |
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Post by habmeister on Feb 25, 2009 17:00:11 GMT -5
Granted, BGL has sucked this year. He does scare the living daylights out of Lucic though and I'd hate to see the latter in the playoffs repeat his shameful performance from earlier this season when he was openly taunting the Habs bench with impunity. first of all milan fears no one, especially laraque who has shown this season in his fight he doesn't fight to hurt anyone, only to do his job and get his 5 minutes, you may as well accuse brashear of the game thing when the game last week was asked twice to fight and didn't go either time with georges. you mustn't have been to very many giants games to accuse milan of fear and taunting, something i never saw once in watching him play over 80 games live. |
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Post by habmeister on Feb 25, 2009 17:01:59 GMT -5
i'd be happy with georges being traded anywhere, if this is what he calls protecting his teammates good riddance, i'd rather have thornton, fritz, heck even a middleweight with a mean streak than this gentle giant who sends out personal evites whenever he feels the need to do his j o b.
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Post by Marvin on Feb 25, 2009 17:17:46 GMT -5
i'd be happy with georges being traded anywhere, if this is what he calls protecting his teammates good riddance, i'd rather have thornton, fritz, heck even a middleweight with a mean streak than this gentle giant who sends out personal evites whenever he feels the need to do his j o b. As I mentioned in another thread, don't blame Laraques because no one wants to fight him. Other 'heavyweight's' in the league are going through the same thing. Andre Roy of Calgary has expressed the same comments. He's challenged a bunch of people, but unless they're a 'heavyweight', they're not taking the bait. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 25, 2009 17:38:34 GMT -5
There's talk of the Sharks having interest in Chris Neil. Perhaps they'd want the reigning champ. That said, as duster points out, I'd hate to be without that presence should we face Boston in the playoffs. How about the Sharks pickup Neil and then send him to the Habs for Laraque. |
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Post by roke on Feb 25, 2009 17:43:17 GMT -5
i'd be happy with georges being traded anywhere, if this is what he calls protecting his teammates good riddance, i'd rather have thornton, fritz, heck even a middleweight with a mean streak than this gentle giant who sends out personal evites whenever he feels the need to do his j o b. As I mentioned in another thread, don't blame Laraques because no one wants to fight him. Other 'heavyweight's' in the league are going through the same thing. Andre Roy of Calgary has expressed the same comments. He's challenged a bunch of people, but unless they're a 'heavyweight', they're not taking the bait. That's a good point Marvin, and I agree, we can't expect Laraque to fight much since no one wants to fight him. That being said... he has only been effective once this season, against Boston, when Carbonneau had him shadowing Lucic until Carbo got away from that matchup and Lucic started playing well. Laraque hasn't been able to protect the puck down low like I saw him do in the few Penguins games I saw last season, he's not playing a particularly tough game, he can't get anyone to fight him, he's not a deterrent when he's on the ice (see: Ruutu elbowing Lapierre in a game against Ottawa while Laraque was on the ice, Boullion stepped in and fought Ruutu). If nobody wants to fight Laraque, it's time for him to be useful and start stirring up some stuff. Start some scrums and do some facewashing or shoving, take a few liberties with the opposition's stars if you're on the ice against them and think you might get away with it, bump into the goalie, start actually being dominant at protecting the puck again. Make yourself useful. He needs to adapt and change his game. Carbonneau's been rightly criticized on these boards for not communicating with his players very well, and you can say the same about Laraque in this situation. If he's not happy with his role, he should be going to the coach's office to discuss what the coach wants from him, what he needs to change, and what he can expect from the coach. Don't go talking to the media, take some initiative, and go find out what you need to do to help the team. |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 25, 2009 17:59:56 GMT -5
If you want Laraque to 'face wash' or 'start some scrums', be prepared that he'll be the only one getting a penalty. His reputation preceeds him, so it's likely that any disturbance that he initiates will result in the Habs being short-handed.
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Post by franko on Feb 25, 2009 19:00:51 GMT -5
There's talk of the Sharks having interest in Chris Neil. Perhaps they'd want the reigning champ. That said, as duster points out, I'd hate to be without that presence should we face Boston in the playoffs. How about the Sharks pickup Neil and then send him to the Habs for Laraque. The only way it would happen. And that's only if the Sharks want Laraque -- and why would they, if he can't "fulfill his role" -- especially in the playoffs. |
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Post by habmeister on Feb 25, 2009 20:33:56 GMT -5
As I mentioned in another thread, don't blame Laraques because no one wants to fight him. Other 'heavyweight's' in the league are going through the same thing. Andre Roy of Calgary has expressed the same comments. He's challenged a bunch of people, but unless they're a 'heavyweight', they're not taking the bait. That's a good point Marvin, and I agree, we can't expect Laraque to fight much since no one wants to fight him. That being said... he has only been effective once this season, against Boston, when Carbonneau had him shadowing Lucic until Carbo got away from that matchup and Lucic started playing well. Laraque hasn't been able to protect the puck down low like I saw him do in the few Penguins games I saw last season, he's not playing a particularly tough game, he can't get anyone to fight him, he's not a deterrent when he's on the ice (see: Ruutu elbowing Lapierre in a game against Ottawa while Laraque was on the ice, Boullion stepped in and fought Ruutu). If nobody wants to fight Laraque, it's time for him to be useful and start stirring up some stuff. Start some scrums and do some facewashing or shoving, take a few liberties with the opposition's stars if you're on the ice against them and think you might get away with it, bump into the goalie, start actually being dominant at protecting the puck again. Make yourself useful. He needs to adapt and change his game. Carbonneau's been rightly criticized on these boards for not communicating with his players very well, and you can say the same about Laraque in this situation. If he's not happy with his role, he should be going to the coach's office to discuss what the coach wants from him, what he needs to change, and what he can expect from the coach. Don't go talking to the media, take some initiative, and go find out what you need to do to help the team. i didn't see any effect against milan in that game, milan wasn't intimidated, and georges couldn't keep up to him, one of them scored a goal and it wasn't the bigger slower skating one. anyway, i'm actually responding about george not talking to carbo, carbo's door is not open to his players, at all. as skilly said ryder never spoke to carbo once all season and my source said the same thing, talk to muller. we know that bob doesn't communicate at all during the game, we never see a change of gameplan during the game, so don't think that behind closed doors carbo is a fan of chatting with his players. how bob thinks he's a good coach is beyond me, he doesn't give his players any advice, doesn't communicate and motivate to make them better players. just goes through the motions and shops for ties. |
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Post by HFTO on Feb 25, 2009 21:16:32 GMT -5
Good luck moving Georges contract maybe on re-entry where the Habs will have to pay half. Plus GL has a no move so that could restrict things further....as for Begin would he add anything to a contender?  ..I'm not so sure so waivers looks like the only option. IMO these moves won't garner you that much in movement to make a significant impact Bobs got to give something up and make a major move. HFTO |
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Post by duster on Feb 25, 2009 22:05:25 GMT -5
first of all milan fears no one, especially laraque who has shown this season in his fight he doesn't fight to hurt anyone, only to do his job and get his 5 minutes, you may as well accuse brashear of the game thing when the game last week was asked twice to fight and didn't go either time with georges. you mustn't have been to very many giants games to accuse milan of fear and taunting, something i never saw once in watching him play over 80 games live. Welcome back H&C. I figured criticizing Lucic would get your blood up.  I've watched Lucic a few times at Giants games and have been a fan. I thought he thoroughly deserved his Memorial Cup MVP. His antics after a fight with Komisarek in an earlier game this year left me less than impressed so we'll have to disagree whether what he did was taunting or not. His behaviour is an subsequent game makes me think he feels nowhere near as brave when BGL is there. My point is someone like BGL can be useful against teams like Boston or Philly. He may be slow, but if properly used, he can cause havoc. Just for that, I'd keep him for the coming playoffs. Right now, his trade value is about nil and his salary almost fully paid so there's nothing to lose. |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 25, 2009 22:07:48 GMT -5
first of all milan fears no one, especially laraque who has shown this season in his fight he doesn't fight to hurt anyone, only to do his job and get his 5 minutes, you may as well accuse brashear of the game thing when the game last week was asked twice to fight and didn't go either time with georges. you mustn't have been to very many giants games to accuse milan of fear and taunting, something i never saw once in watching him play over 80 games live. Welcome back H&C. I figured criticizing Lucic would get your blood up. My point is someone like BGL can be useful against teams like Boston or Philly. He may be slow, but if properly used, he can cause havoc. Just for that, I'd keep him for the coming playoffs. Right now, his trade value is about nil. Bet Laraques plays against Philly. |
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Post by halihab on Feb 25, 2009 22:33:22 GMT -5
Laraque can't play hockey in this league anymore. It's just to fast for him now. IMO he is a wasted roster spot. Replace him with someone who can actually keep up with the pace of the game.
I don't know if Gainey consulted with his pro scouting staff on this signing, but if he did, then the scouts should take some of the blame. Although, Gainey did give him the contract.
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Post by roke on Feb 25, 2009 22:41:33 GMT -5
If you want Laraque to 'face wash' or 'start some scrums', be prepared that he'll be the only one getting a penalty. His reputation preceeds him, so it's likely that any disturbance that he initiates will result in the Habs being short-handed. Another good point Marvin, I'd probably hypocritically be angry for him when he did something like that. The thing is, he has to somehow change his game, otherwise he isn't helping the team and we're better off with Stewart/Dandy/Begin in the lineup. i didn't see any effect against milan in that game, milan wasn't intimidated, and georges couldn't keep up to him, one of them scored a goal and it wasn't the bigger slower skating one. anyway, i'm actually responding about george not talking to carbo, carbo's door is not open to his players, at all. as skilly said ryder never spoke to carbo once all season and my source said the same thing, talk to muller. Going to have to disagree with you on the first part H&C, at least when Laraque was on the ice against Lucic in that game, Milan wasn't hitting much and wasn't on the puck much. Carbonneau got away from that (probably because Laraque is slow, or was still injured) and Milan picked up his game, and scored his goal when O'Byrne, Lang, Kovalev, A. Kostitsyn, and Boullion were on the ice. Laraque wasn't effective for the whole game, not even half of it, but in the first period Lucic wasn't as big of a factor as he always is against the Habs. That completely went away in the 2nd though. As for Carbonneau, somebody needs to wake the guy up with regard to his communication and linemaking, it's so obvious to every single one of us here, how can he, the rest of the coaching staff, or Gainey not see it? Heck, you don't even hear much about it in the media, and the linemaking isn't exactly behind-closed-doors stuff |
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Post by Marvin on Feb 25, 2009 23:26:39 GMT -5
I agree that Laraques has been ineffective for the most part, and that Stewart can play an aggressive game, however, until Stewart proves himself as a force, the opposition is more likely to watch their step when Laraques is in the lineup than when Stewart is there.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 26, 2009 1:51:27 GMT -5
Stewart hasn't fought any NHL heavies, but of the fights he has been in, in the show, he acquitted himself very well, IMO.
Not sure he'd 'frighten' anyone, but he'll take on anyone and at least launch himself when one of our guys is attacked. I think BGL texts them.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 26, 2009 6:33:53 GMT -5
If you want Laraque to 'face wash' or 'start some scrums', be prepared that he'll be the only one getting a penalty. His reputation preceeds him, so it's likely that any disturbance that he initiates will result in the Habs being short-handed. Another good point Marvin, I'd probably hypocritically be angry for him when he did something like that. The thing is, he has to somehow change his game, otherwise he isn't helping the team and we're better off with Stewart/Dandy/Begin in the lineup. i didn't see any effect against milan in that game, milan wasn't intimidated, and georges couldn't keep up to him, one of them scored a goal and it wasn't the bigger slower skating one. anyway, i'm actually responding about george not talking to carbo, carbo's door is not open to his players, at all. as skilly said ryder never spoke to carbo once all season and my source said the same thing, talk to muller. Going to have to disagree with you on the first part H&C, at least when Laraque was on the ice against Lucic in that game, Milan wasn't hitting much and wasn't on the puck much. Carbonneau got away from that (probably because Laraque is slow, or was still injured) and Milan picked up his game, and scored his goal when O'Byrne, Lang, Kovalev, A. Kostitsyn, and Boullion were on the ice. Laraque wasn't effective for the whole game, not even half of it, but in the first period Lucic wasn't as big of a factor as he always is against the Habs. That completely went away in the 2nd though. As for Carbonneau, somebody needs to wake the guy up with regard to his communication and linemaking, it's so obvious to every single one of us here, how can he, the rest of the coaching staff, or Gainey not see it? Heck, you don't even hear much about it in the media, and the linemaking isn't exactly behind-closed-doors stuff Good post Roke. Cheers. |
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Post by halihab on Feb 26, 2009 7:52:17 GMT -5
Stewart hasn't fought any NHL heavies, but of the fights he has been in, in the show, he acquitted himself very well, IMO. Not sure he'd 'frighten' anyone, but he'll take on anyone and at least launch himself when one of our guys is attacked. I think BGL texts them. And that's basically what you want from a tough guy. Someone who is willing to drop them when needed and one who can play a regular shift as well. That's why Laperriere would be a great addition. |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 26, 2009 9:36:53 GMT -5
If you want Laraque to 'face wash' or 'start some scrums', be prepared that he'll be the only one getting a penalty. His reputation preceeds him, so it's likely that any disturbance that he initiates will result in the Habs being short-handed. well, then he is useless..... |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 26, 2009 11:42:58 GMT -5
Bet Laraques plays against Philly. If he doesn't, then he might as well waive his NTC and agree to be traded or whatever. The reason Bob went out and got him was in direct response to how the Flyers pushed us around during the playoffs. But Laraque has to shoulder some of the blame too. He should be a much more effective player in terms of being an "energizer". He doesn't have to fight if there are no takers....but he can still be an agitating "Chris Neil" type. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Laraque said something in his blog that really bothered me this year. "I signed a 3-year guaranteed contract. If it doesn't work out here, it'll work out somewhere else." And that's when he was out with the groin injury. Not a smart thing to say, IMO. |
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..I'm not so sure so waivers looks like the only option.
