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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 12:31:01 GMT -5
This just seems easier than making a new topic for players put on waivers.
Tom Preissing was put on waivers today, after coming off injured reserve where he was for the last 22 games.
Sean Avery is on re-entry waivers. Rangers will pick him up, but if someone will snatch him up before them is the question.
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Post by franko on Mar 2, 2009 12:43:06 GMT -5
Grab Preissing! Grab Preissing!
Not sure if my thoughts are clear on this or not: GRAB PREISSING!!!
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 12:52:48 GMT -5
They can't make a claim, franko. They're at the contract limit, so unless they can deal Dandenault for a pick the NHL won't let them.
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Post by franko on Mar 2, 2009 13:45:27 GMT -5
well that stinks. can they send anyone down? Chips, for example [who is just one of about 22 doing not much more than taking up a roster spot].
otoh, will they be in the same spot when Tanguay comes back or is Alex one of the 50? FOr that matter, is Chips?
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 13:51:37 GMT -5
Yeah. It's a limit as to how many active contracts you can have, so whether the player is in the NHL, AHL, ECHL or CHL doesn't matter. They're still a contracted player. Montreal would have to make a 2-for-1 or 1-for-picks/rights deal to make it work.
Unless there's a provision to go over temporarily, but I doubt it.
I don't think Preissing will fall as far as us, anyway. Vaananen got snapped up by Vancouver, and public sentiment is that Preissing is a more valuable commodity. Though, Preissing is coming of a significant injury, so it wouldn't totally surprise me if he went unclaimed.
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Post by The New Guy on Mar 2, 2009 14:59:36 GMT -5
I think that we can claim Preissing if we place another player on waivers with a mind to buying him out *cough*Janik*cough*.
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 15:16:19 GMT -5
If Preissing actually fell to us (which I highly doubt) I'm not sure about the rules of buying a player out midseason. I believe there is such a thing as an emergency buyout or something like that, but I'd have to read up on how it works (and frankly, I'm too lazy because I doubt the situation will arise).
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Post by blny on Mar 2, 2009 15:44:03 GMT -5
Having picked up Metropolit drops us to the bottom of the list doesn't it?
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 15:45:38 GMT -5
Having picked up Metropolit drops us to the bottom of the list doesn't it? No. It goes by points percentage (points earned divided by games played). |
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Post by blny on Mar 2, 2009 18:15:26 GMT -5
Having picked up Metropolit drops us to the bottom of the list doesn't it? No. It goes by points percentage (points earned divided by games played). I was aware of that, but thought if you made a pick up it dropped you to the bottom until someone else made a pick up. |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 18:31:47 GMT -5
No. It goes by points percentage (points earned divided by games played). I was aware of that, but thought if you made a pick up it dropped you to the bottom until someone else made a pick up. Nope.  13.19 If only one Club makes a claim for the Player on whom Waivers have been requested, such Player shall be transferred to that Club. In the event that more than one Club makes a claim for such Player, he shall be transferred to the claiming Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the League standing at the time of the request for Waivers or, if Waivers are requested outside the playing season, then to the Club having earned the lowest percentage of possible points in the preceding season's schedule of Regular Season Games. If the successful Waiver claim is made before November 1st then the priority shall be determined by the final standing in the League's Regular Season schedule in the preceding season. |
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Post by OopyDoopy on Mar 2, 2009 19:12:51 GMT -5
They can't make a claim, franko. They're at the contract limit, so unless they can deal Dandenault for a pick the NHL won't let them. Then this really makes me question why sign Conboy at this time of the year? This is trade/waiver wire time why add a contract you don't need to at this time. *He was already on and AHL contract so he was already part of the 50 contracts, I think, right? |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 19:22:12 GMT -5
They can't make a claim, franko. They're at the contract limit, so unless they can deal Dandenault for a pick the NHL won't let them. Then this really makes me question why sign Conboy at this time of the year? This is trade/waiver wire time why add a contract you don't need to at this time. *He was already on and AHL contract so he was already part of the 50 contracts, I think, right? I didn't think those counted. I'm going to recount the contracts in a little while. |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 19:47:59 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, the Habs have 51 players under contract including the newly signed Andrew Conboy and Pavel Valentenko.
Conboy's contract may actually be starting next season, which would put them at 50 currently. Valentenko's contract should count since there are no provisions in the CBA for suspended/loaned players to other leagues.
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 3, 2009 12:13:40 GMT -5
Avery was picked up by the Rangers on re-entry. Nycholat by the Flames. Preissing cleared.
Today's waiver list:
Miroslav Satan - PIT
Gary Roberts - TB
Brendan Morrison - ANA
Jon Sim - NYI
David Perron - STLEric Perrin - ATL
Aaron Voros - NYR
Brendan Bell - OTT
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 3, 2009 12:42:36 GMT -5
Three more: Craig Adams (CHI), Peter Olvecky (MIN), Erik Reitz (NYR)
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 3, 2009 12:45:52 GMT -5
Roberts is a player I've always hated....but admired. He and Belfour made all the difference for the Leafs vs. Ottawa.
Now there's a player that makes others play bigger. Goes to all the danger zones without fear...and owns most of them.
Phenomenal model of conditioning....may serve as a motivator if we indeed need improvement in that area.
Injury-prone, though, because of the way he plays.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 3, 2009 13:23:42 GMT -5
Hmmm...
Morrison is small but would add centre depth. Satan is having an off season but would be third on the team in goals and fifth in scoring. Neither cost a roster player.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 3, 2009 13:34:36 GMT -5
They can't make a claim, franko. They're at the contract limit, so unless they can deal Dandenault for a pick the NHL won't let them. I had my list at 50, but I included Mayer whose contract does not start until next year (just like Conboy's). So we may actually only be at 49 unlike what I thought earlier this week. Janik, Bouillon, Dandenault, Gorges, Higgins, Koivu, Komisarek, A Kostitsyn, Kovalev, Henry, Lapierre, G Latendresse, Markov, Trotter, Plekanec, Tanguay, Desjardins, Maxwell, Halak, Price, Laraque, Denis, Carle, Chipchura, Flinn, D'Agostini, White, Belle, Pacioretty, S Kostitsyn, Hamrlik, Glumac, Aubin, Lehoux, O'Byrne, Russell, Stewart, Valentenko, Lacasse, Kostopolous, Wyman, Anderson, Weber, Lang, Brisebois, Desharnais, Kemp, Schneider, Metropolit. The question marks are does Valentenko's contract still count? (I believe so, but don't know for sure as it is still a valid contract until the end of next season). Also, I believe that Olivier Latendresse is on an AHL contract, but never did see that confirmed anywhere. I think Beauregard, Gainey and Kina-something are the only AHL contracts, and they have one forward on a PTO in Hamilton (the guy from Cincy). |
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Post by franko on Mar 3, 2009 13:44:15 GMT -5
Surprised that Roberts was not picked up in a trade, same with Satan; and that Morrison was put on .
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 3, 2009 14:11:57 GMT -5
They can't make a claim, franko. They're at the contract limit, so unless they can deal Dandenault for a pick the NHL won't let them. I had my list at 50, but I included Mayer whose contract does not start until next year (just like Conboy's). So we may actually only be at 49 unlike what I thought earlier this week. Janik, Bouillon, Dandenault, Gorges, Higgins, Koivu, Komisarek, A Kostitsyn, Kovalev, Henry, Lapierre, G Latendresse, Markov, Trotter, Plekanec, Tanguay, Desjardins, Maxwell, Halak, Price, Laraque, Denis, Carle, Chipchura, Flinn, D'Agostini, White, Belle, Pacioretty, S Kostitsyn, Hamrlik, Glumac, Aubin, Lehoux, O'Byrne, Russell, Stewart, Valentenko, Lacasse, Kostopolous, Wyman, Anderson, Weber, Lang, Brisebois, Desharnais, Kemp, Schneider, Metropolit. The question marks are does Valentenko's contract still count? (I believe so, but don't know for sure as it is still a valid contract until the end of next season). Also, I believe that Olivier Latendresse is on an AHL contract, but never did see that confirmed anywhere. I think Beauregard, Gainey and Kina-something are the only AHL contracts, and they have one forward on a PTO in Hamilton (the guy from Cincy). Olivier Latendresse is listed on the Habs official prospects page, which to me implies he's on a two-way deal as Beauregard (who is definitely on an AHL-only contract) isn't listed there. Also, if he's a prospect we presumably own his rights, and since Olivier was signed to an entry-level deal by Phoenix we would have had to qualify him with an NHL offer to keep his rights. Valentenko's status is indeed in question, because I'm not sure if he's on official loan, or whether he's suspended. If he's on official loan, it counts for certain. If he's suspended it begs to the question of whether Radulov's contract counts. As far as I can tell, it's 50 with Valentenko, 49 without. Going through your list and mine, I mistakenly had Marvin Degon on my list but didn't have Kemp. So that at least makes my list more accurate, but we're still at 49/50 depending on Valentenko (O.Latendresse being the guy you're missing). |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 3, 2009 14:41:36 GMT -5
Olivier Latendresse is listed on the Habs official prospects page, which to me implies he's on a two-way deal as Beauregard (who is definitely on an AHL-only contract) isn't listed there. Also, if he's a prospect we presumably own his rights, and since Olivier was signed to an entry-level deal by Phoenix we would have had to qualify him with an NHL offer to keep his rights. Valentenko's status is indeed in question, because I'm not sure if he's on official loan, or whether he's suspended. If he's on official loan, it counts for certain. If he's suspended it begs to the question of whether Radulov's contract counts. As far as I can tell, it's 50 with Valentenko, 49 without. Going through your list and mine, I mistakenly had Marvin Degon on my list but didn't have Kemp. So that at least makes my list more accurate, but we're still at 49/50 depending on Valentenko (O.Latendresse being the guy you're missing). Sounds good. So Gainey might have to trade a guy like Dandenault for a pick (not a prospect) in order to pick anyone up on waivers, or else do a trade where more guys go out than come in. If I could replace Dandenault with either a Satan or Morrisson for the stretch run, I would do it. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 3, 2009 21:50:24 GMT -5
Morrison has only 22 points in 61 games and is a little on the smallish side. No thanks.
As I said before , this team needs a serious transition plan at centre. These waiver pickups don't help much long term.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 4, 2009 7:56:58 GMT -5
Satan was put on waivers yesterday, right? How long do waivers apply? Because I watch the Pittsburgh game last night and Satan was playing. If he cleared that quickly, wouldn't he have to go through re-entry waivers? Maybe not though ... but even still, that waiver process was awful quick if he played the same night as being put on waivers.
If he got hurt and was claimed is there compensation, or would Pittsburgh then be stuck with him and couldnt waive him because he was injured?
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 4, 2009 8:09:53 GMT -5
Satan was put on waivers yesterday, right? How long do waivers apply? Because I watch the Pittsburgh game last night and Satan was playing. If he cleared that quickly, wouldn't he have to go through re-entry waivers? Maybe not though ... but even still, that waiver process was awful quick if he played the same night as being put on waivers. If he got hurt and was claimed is there compensation, or would Pittsburgh then be stuck with him and couldnt waive him because he was injured? You can play while you're on waivers. If Satan got hurt, the teams would withdraw their claims. They have until noon the following day to submit claims. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 4, 2009 8:14:42 GMT -5
Satan was put on waivers yesterday, right? How long do waivers apply? Because I watch the Pittsburgh game last night and Satan was playing. If he cleared that quickly, wouldn't he have to go through re-entry waivers? Maybe not though ... but even still, that waiver process was awful quick if he played the same night as being put on waivers. If he got hurt and was claimed is there compensation, or would Pittsburgh then be stuck with him and couldnt waive him because he was injured? You can play while you're on waivers. If Satan got hurt, the teams would withdraw their claims. They have until noon the following day to submit claims. Is that the player's decision or the team's .... Gary Roberts wasnt playing (as far as I could tell). Satan did show lots of hussle and drive, but knowing the team doesn't want you .... pretty classy of him to help them out after getting a kick in the gonads from them. |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 4, 2009 8:20:22 GMT -5
You can play while you're on waivers. If Satan got hurt, the teams would withdraw their claims. They have until noon the following day to submit claims. Is that the player's decision or the team's .... Gary Roberts wasnt playing (as far as I could tell). Satan did show lots of hussle and drive, but knowing the team doesn't want you .... pretty classy of him to help them out after getting a kick in the gonads from them. I think Roberts was scratched by the team. You're still under contract, so I don't know why you wouldn't play. The team could scratch him to keep him healthy, but at the same time that's not very effective marketing. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2009 8:49:50 GMT -5
You can play while you're on waivers. If Satan got hurt, the teams would withdraw their claims. They have until noon the following day to submit claims. Is that the player's decision or the team's .... Gary Roberts wasnt playing (as far as I could tell). Satan did show lots of hussle and drive, but knowing the team doesn't want you .... pretty classy of him to help them out after getting a kick in the gonads from them. Maybe that boot in the 'nads was what got him going. |
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