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Post by The New Guy on Mar 4, 2009 12:41:28 GMT -5
Jolkinen to Calgary for Lombardi, Pruust and a First. Also Calary may be in cap trouble now, so possibly someone coming out of the Flames.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 4, 2009 12:43:52 GMT -5
Jokkinen's became a real NHL player under Keenan...
Leadership is already strong in Calagry so Jokkinen will not be the main guy, which is good for him.
Good move for Calgary
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2009 12:45:32 GMT -5
An interesting move for Calgary. We'll see if he's finally the center for Jarome. Lombardi is a fast player but has yet to really take the next step. I don't know much about Pruust. The first will be in the bottom third so it's not a huge deal.
Hard to believe Montreal couldn't have beat that deal if they wanted to.
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Post by Marvin on Mar 4, 2009 12:46:43 GMT -5
Ugh! Like I need to hear this from all the Flames fans here!
No doubt in my mind that Calgary is going for it this year. They needed a big centreman to counter SJ's Thornton-Marleau twosome, and Jokinen will probably make somewhat a difference. He also becomes the FIRST (and only) non-North American forward on the team!
Lombardi and Prust, although not doing anything on the scoresheet, were both pretty popular guys on the team.
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Post by habernac on Mar 4, 2009 12:50:22 GMT -5
great, great trade. Prust is a punching bag, easily replaced. Lombardi is fast as hell with hands like Courtnall. Sutter knows the time is now and he's going for it.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 4, 2009 12:54:22 GMT -5
So basically, all it would have taken for Gainey to get him (if he wanted him) was Higgins or Plekanec, some schmoo we drafted a few years ago and our first rounder.
That first rounder could have been a second rounder if we put Maxwell in the trade instead of some schmoo ...
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Post by Marvin on Mar 4, 2009 13:04:59 GMT -5
So basically, all it would have taken for Gainey to get him (if he wanted him) was Higgins or Plekanec, some schmoo we drafted a few years ago and our first rounder. That first rounder could have been a second rounder if we put Maxwell in the trade instead of some schmoo ... I don't think Phoenix got anywhere near fair value for Jokinen. They must have really wanted to get rid of him. Higgins and /or Plekanec have WAY more value than Lombardi and Prust. Lombardi sees semi-regular duty, and Prust has been hurt most of the year. |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 4, 2009 13:07:01 GMT -5
I think Lombardi has more value than Higgins, and I don't think dealing Plekanec makes a lot of sense.
If we could have made it Higgins, Carle, Maxwell and a 1st, I think we might have.
But again, I'm not so convinced that Montreal has a significant amount of cap space. I'm trying to learn more about how LTIR works, and I'm not convinced the Habs could realistically fit him in.
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2009 13:07:59 GMT -5
Calgary is over the cap according to TSN. They've got a plethora of defenders. Maybe we can make a deal for something there.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 4, 2009 13:11:03 GMT -5
Calgary is over the cap according to TSN. They've got a plethora of defenders. Maybe we can make a deal for something there. yeah ... maybe they'll trade us Jokinen ...  |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 4, 2009 13:12:49 GMT -5
Apparently at least one GM has referred to Jokinen as a "cancer" according to Matt Barnaby. Very mixed reactions among the talking heads and the people they talk to. One GM apparently even saying this trade will make Calgary worse.
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2009 13:12:59 GMT -5
Calgary is over the cap according to TSN. They've got a plethora of defenders. Maybe we can make a deal for something there. yeah ... maybe they'll trade us Jokinen ... LOL ... just grasping at straws. We could add depth on defense should someone decide to. |
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Post by Marvin on Mar 4, 2009 13:18:11 GMT -5
Lombardi has more value than Higgins? No way at all. I watch Lombardi all the time, and as was mentioned above, he's another Russ Courtnall at best. Great wheels, but not much more. I remain convinced that Higgins' upside hasn't been touched yet.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 4, 2009 13:20:11 GMT -5
Ugh! Like I need to hear this from all the Flames fans here! No doubt in my mind that Calgary is going for it this year. They needed a big centreman to counter SJ's Thornton-Marleau twosome, and Jokinen will probably make somewhat a difference. He also becomes the FIRST (and only) non-North American forward on the team! Lombardi and Prust, although not doing anything on the scoresheet, were both pretty popular guys on the team. I got an email a Flames fan only a few minutes ago. He's concerned about what the Flames gave up, but as I told him, the Flames see themselves very close to the Cup and Jokinen might just be who they need to go over the top. There's a cloud over Jokinene's head that seems to follow him wherever he goes. Everything from he's a dressing room problem, he doesn't get along with Koivu, or he's never played a post-season game as yet. * However, he's gone back to a coach who obviously appreciates what he brings to the table. * He's actually going to a bonafide Cup contender now, so he's got his chance. * And he has a fresh start with a new team. They gave up a lot to get him, granted, but it's not like we have repeat or three-peat champions nowadays. The Flames obviously feel they are close to going over the top and they made a move to facilitate that. I wonder how SJ is taking this move? Cheers. |
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Post by Marvin on Mar 4, 2009 13:28:39 GMT -5
There's got be something about Jokinen. Why would Phoenix be so eager to get rid of him and not get back at least one first-liner? I'm glad we didn't get him.
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Post by franko on Mar 4, 2009 13:29:46 GMT -5
I remain convinced that Higgins' upside hasn't been touched yet. 1. if it has we're in big trouble 2. what will it take to touch it? |
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Post by Marvin on Mar 4, 2009 13:33:28 GMT -5
Since I'm no fan of the Flames (pun not intended), I hope Jokinen sours another group of teamates.
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Post by habernac on Mar 4, 2009 13:38:30 GMT -5
There's got be something about Jokinen. Why would Phoenix be so eager to get rid of him and not get back at least one first-liner? I'm glad we didn't get him. because they're broke. TSN have no clue on the cap, Flames are fine. all the talk about Jokinen being a cancer, who wouldn't be pissed off being a great talent on a mediocre team? I'm sure Kiprusoff has some insight as to what type of guy he would be in the room. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 4, 2009 13:39:08 GMT -5
I remain convinced that Higgins' upside hasn't been touched yet. 1. if it has we're in big trouble 2. what will it take to touch it? Or how long do we wait ... I said when he was in the AHL, I didn't see what the hype was about. I saw him 8 times a year live ... not alot maybe, but I never saw this great goal scorer ... I saw a third line 30-40 point man at best .. and I said it many times on here. At this point in his career I am batting 0.750 .... heck I'd take 75% on ANY test you'd give me in university and laugh all the way to the bar afterwards. He has 38pts, 38pts, 52pts, and with 19 games remaining this year has 16pts. I am sick of the excuses, I am sick of the free-ride, I am sick of the hype that everyone bought into .... it appears to me the "real" Higgins has stood up, has been measured, and is lacking .... (unless he plays on the third line and we get a true first line winger) |
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Post by franko on Mar 4, 2009 13:43:19 GMT -5
. it appears to me the "real" Higgins has stood up, has been measured, and is lacking or . . . [he has] been weighed, [he has] been measured, and [he has] been found wanting. |
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Post by Marvin on Mar 4, 2009 13:44:30 GMT -5
I agree that Higgins hasn't parlayed his talent into significant numbers. Not sure if / when he'll ever hit what people expect of him. I still think he has more value than Matthew Lombardi.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 10, 2009 14:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by habernac on Apr 13, 2009 14:13:33 GMT -5
Injuries, not much you can do about it. A ridiculous amount at the end of the season hurt them, yes, but again, who could forecast such a thing? It was a calculated risk, but one I'd do again if I were Sutter.
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