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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 14, 2009 11:23:29 GMT -5
Somehow I don't think this is what our men and women have been fight for. According to the article Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, is doing this so as to gain favour in the poles; abuse of rights, abuse of authority. Hamid Karzai signs law 'legalising rape in marriage' President Hamid Karzai has signed a law the UN says legalises rape in marriage and prevents women from leaving the house without permission. The law, which has not been publicly released, is believed to state women can only seek work, education or doctor's appointments with their husband's permission. Only fathers and grandfathers are granted custody of children under the law, according to the United Nations Development Fund for Women. Mr Karzai has been accused of electioneering at the expense of women's rights by signing the law to appeal to crucial Shia swing voters in this year's presidential poll. While the Afghan constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it also allows the Shia community, thought to represent 10 per cent of the population, the right to settle family law cases according to Shia law. The Shiite Personal Status Law contains provisions on marriage, divorce, inheritance, rights of movement and bankruptcy. The bill passed both houses of the Afghan parliament, but was so contentious that the United Nations and women's rights campaigners have so far been unable to see a copy of the approved bill. Shinkai Zahine Karokhail, a female MP, said the law had been rushed through with little debate. She told the Guardian newspaper: "They wanted to pass it almost like a secret negotiation, "There were lots of things that we wanted to change, but they didn't want to discuss it because Karzai wants to please the Shia before the election."The Afghan justice ministry confirmed the law had been signed, but said it would not be published until technical difficulties had been overcome. A spokesman for President Hamid Karzai would not comment. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/5080797/Hamid-Karzai-signs-law-legalising-rape-in-marriage.html |
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Apr 15, 2009 6:25:21 GMT -5
As a woman, I am appalled that people think this is acceptable. And by people I mean these Shiite/Shia group of men. I thank the good Lord every day that I live in Canada and have the freedom to do things without asking permission from my father (when I was living at home) or my husband (now).
[Geez, this gets me thinking about the "religion" thread I was reading on Monday...]
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Post by Skilly on Apr 15, 2009 7:43:35 GMT -5
Pull every soldier out ... its not worth fighting for barbarians.
If the UN cannot band together and send a united force with teeth to prevent this kind of crap (cause lets face it, diplomacy is for the birds) ... then the UN is garbage too.
A part of me wants us to pull out and let the Taliban take over again - but that wouldn't work. And a part of me says blow the place up ... again not going to work.
You can lead a horse to water, but can't force them to drink I guess ... the only way now is for a worldwide trade embargo on Afghanistan and get the IMF to stop sending them money ....
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 15, 2009 8:37:18 GMT -5
Is it ironic that in the same week that this law is passed a Canadian woman is killed fighting for an Afghani government that would take away her own personal freedoms? Or is it just tragic?
Rest in peace Karine. As a long time poster here has in his signature, you can take the Gaspesian out of Gaspe, but you can't take the Gaspe out of the Gaspesian...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 15, 2009 11:06:24 GMT -5
Pull every soldier out ... its not worth fighting for barbarians. If the UN cannot band together and send a united force with teeth to prevent this kind of crap (cause lets face it, diplomacy is for the birds) ... then the UN is garbage too. A part of me wants us to pull out and let the Taliban take over again - but that wouldn't work. And a part of me says blow the place up ... again not going to work. You can lead a horse to water, but can't force them to drink I guess ... the only way now is for a worldwide trade embargo on Afghanistan and get the IMF to stop sending them money .... I never knew Trooper Brian Good; however, I know his brother, Steve, through his best friend, my brother-in-law. Had I known I would have gone to Trenton for Brian's repatriation. However, after hearing of this story, his brother Steve wrote a very terse letter to the editor of a specific newspaper (if I find it I'll post it) in which he points out rather directly that his brother did not go over there to fight for decisions like this. Like I said, if I find it I'll post it. Running short on time. Cheers. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Apr 15, 2009 12:37:14 GMT -5
... its not worth fighting for barbarians. ...Women here, in Quebec, had to have a men sign an authorization sheet so she can receive medical care in a hospital... Higher education to women was considered an outrage. The had no right to vote. Once wed, women would take the full name of her husband (Mrs. Joe Blow) thus completely negating their own identity. And while "rape" has never been legal, it was considered a sin against church to "refuse your husband" and "stall family"... Meaning that a men who "wanted it" was in his own right to "get it". BTW, women were considered ready for marriage at 12-14yrs. We're not talking medieval era (though we are talking medieval thinking), this was common roughly 60 years ago.... The main reason why women eventually got rights is because people eventually stopped blindly following what Catholic Priest and Bishops were preaching and got them out of schools and politics. These people have yet to put their religion in its proper place. |
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Post by franko on Apr 15, 2009 13:44:45 GMT -5
in both cases, I suggest, it is a matter of religion being used for one's own purpose -- a reading into the Bible/Koran what one wants to see.
Am I guilty? Perhaps. But I'm not dogmatic -- I'm a "let's talk" kinda guy more than a "you listen" kinda guy. And I think that's the way to go when one is using "holy writings" as a basis for lifestyle.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 15, 2009 17:54:29 GMT -5
... its not worth fighting for barbarians. ...Women here, in Quebec, had to have a men sign an authorization sheet so she can receive medical care in a hospital... Higher education to women was considered an outrage. The had no right to vote. Once wed, women would take the full name of her husband (Mrs. Joe Blow) thus completely negating their own identity. And while "rape" has never been legal, it was considered a sin against church to "refuse your husband" and "stall family"... Meaning that a men who "wanted it" was in his own right to "get it". BTW, women were considered ready for marriage at 12-14yrs. We're not talking medieval era (though we are talking medieval thinking), this was common roughly 60 years ago.... The main reason why women eventually got rights is because people eventually stopped blindly following what Catholic Priest and Bishops were preaching and got them out of schools and politics. These people have yet to put their religion in its proper place. This is somewhat true of the Lutherns as well, Doc. I remember very vividly our meeting with the minister a few days before the wedding. * "I won't marry you if you have alcohol on your breath." I though, ok. * "Marriage is a two-way street." I thought, ok. * "Now, (Mrs Dis) he (me) will have certain urges at times but remember that he's probably had a stressful day." I thought ... RIGHT ON HENRY! (the minister's name was Henry Enns). I was only 23 when I got married, but I remember thinking how lucky I was to get such an endorsement. However, what the minister said and the reality of things are two entirely different matters ... not a problem though ... coming up on 27 years of marriage to the same friend and gal. And to Henry ... RIP. Cheers. |
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Post by habernac on Apr 16, 2009 8:53:39 GMT -5
... its not worth fighting for barbarians. ...Women here, in Quebec, had to have a men sign an authorization sheet so she can receive medical care in a hospital... Higher education to women was considered an outrage. The had no right to vote. Once wed, women would take the full name of her husband (Mrs. Joe Blow) thus completely negating their own identity. And while "rape" has never been legal, it was considered a sin against church to "refuse your husband" and "stall family"... Meaning that a men who "wanted it" was in his own right to "get it". BTW, women were considered ready for marriage at 12-14yrs. We're not talking medieval era (though we are talking medieval thinking), this was common roughly 60 years ago.... The main reason why women eventually got rights is because people eventually stopped blindly following what Catholic Priest and Bishops were preaching and got them out of schools and politics. These people have yet to put their religion in its proper place. heck, the doctors said my Mom had to have her husbands permission to get her tubes tied in the 70's. She got a good laugh out of that one (as did Dad, I believe his response was a hearty laugh). The women in Afghanistan are the bravest ones I've ever seen. I can't imagine the consequences they're facing for demonstrating for their rights. |
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