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Post by jkr on Apr 30, 2009 15:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2009 0:43:14 GMT -5
There's been a lot of debate on Habfans board about this. Personally, I like it. I think Emelin could be a key addition to the habs defense and Perezhogin seems to have found his scoring touch in Russia. He may have found it here too, but fortunately he had it drummed out of him by our elite coaching.
Emelin especially, could add an edge to our d, that is sorely missing now.
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Post by Polarice on May 1, 2009 10:23:31 GMT -5
I heard a week ago the Perezhogin was looking at returning to the Habs.....we certainly could use him!!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2009 14:07:13 GMT -5
I heard a week ago the Perezhogin was looking at returning to the Habs.....we certainly could use him!! He has plenty of offensive upside and is strong enough to fight for the puck. He needs to work on his discipline, though. |
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Post by Polarice on May 1, 2009 14:32:41 GMT -5
I heard a week ago the Perezhogin was looking at returning to the Habs.....we certainly could use him!! He has plenty of offensive upside and is strong enough to fight for the puck. He needs to work on his discipline, though. I think his big problem was how he was being treated by a certain coach behind closed doors.....now that the problem is gone, and another year of maturing, things will be better for him. |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2009 15:27:55 GMT -5
I think his big problem was how he was being treated by a certain coach behind closed doors.....now that the problem is gone, and another year of maturing, things will be better for him. That would have been a mix between Julien and Gainey... |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 1, 2009 15:47:00 GMT -5
Perez is a soft perimeter player. Lots of talent, no drive.
I think we have enough of those. He is, to me, the kind of player we need to get away from, not to get more of.
Emelin, I'll believe it when I see it !!! Not only do we need to convince him to come over but once he does come here, he has to adjust to the NHL game, which, is by no mean a gimme (regardless of his alledged NA style of play). I think counting on him to make a difference from the get go is a huge stretch.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 1, 2009 22:05:55 GMT -5
Emelin, Perezhoegin and Valentenko. The problem with the Hab's is we didn't have enough Russians.
I would welcome Malkin, Ovetchkin, Datsuk or Kovalchouk, but mediocre guys who already bailed on us and have only moderate success at home in Russia are not what we need.
I'm less concerned with size than I used to be. I remember Russian teams that were composed of short stocky speedy talented forwards that worked in 5 man units and taught us about teamwork.
We need speedy talented hard working players that put team first. We need snipers that can shoot like Ryder. We don't need 6'5" defensemen that can't keep up or react quickly. We don't need to fantasize about Lecavalier, an older player under contract (good contract) for life with another team.
I have no problem with smaller "D" men like Streit, Subban or Weber.
If we have a powerplay working I'd rather see goals scored the way Boston did than watch us taking costly penalties for facewashes.
I love seeing Ovetchkin celebrating with his teamates, real joy by all the players; not scripted endzone dances or automatic meaningless glove touches to the guys on the bench.
Teamwork and team spirit comes from the coach, a strong leader, respected by all.
I am less concerned about the players we will lose, and we will lose some. We didn't win with them.
1) We have some hard working kids with spirit.
2) We have decent team speed, especially the young guys.
3) We have a couple of kids coming up. No #1 superstars, but good players.
4) Our core was very good for a year and a half. We aren't as bad as we appeared.
5) Price needed to be taken down a peg. He has great talent, size and positioning. With an attitude adjustment and a more agressive cutting off of the angles he could be the guy to lead the team to victory. (Yeah, I think the word thoroughbred applies)
Gainey has to let some guys go, pull a big trade and fill in some openings. A coach would help too.
Good health and a return of the old Forum ghosts would help.
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Post by seventeen on May 2, 2009 0:38:13 GMT -5
Perez is a soft perimeter player. Lots of talent, no drive. I think we have enough of those. He is, to me, the kind of player we need to get away from, not to get more of. Emelin, I'll believe it when I see it !!! Not only do we need to convince him to come over but once he does come here, he has to adjust to the NHL game, which, is by no mean a gimme (regardless of his alledged NA style of play). I think counting on him to make a difference from the get go is a huge stretch. Pessimist.  |
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Post by blny on May 2, 2009 9:24:26 GMT -5
I don't think Valentenko and Emelin bailed on us, and it's a little unfair to put them in the same category as Perezhogin. Pavel and Alexei have never played here. They are young, and felt it was best, or most comfortable to stay home. If you could play in your home town and make plenty of money, most of us here would. The big adjustment will be the language and societal adjustment. So, we'll need to have people around that can mentor them.
Perezhogin slid so far so fast. He lost a boat load of confidence, and there was obviously a lot of tension. If his attitude has improved, and he works hard, I don't think you can deny him a chance. He's got dynamic skill and a great shot.
All of that said, we can't rely on two rookie russians, and one that hasn't played here in 4 years, to be savior type players. They should be pieces of the puzzle though.
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Post by Anardil1 on May 2, 2009 10:50:16 GMT -5
I liked Perez when he was here. He got himself into the coach's doghouse with his penchant for stupid penalties. If he has learned to keep his stick on the ice, I'd welcome him back. He's a slick skater with some above average finishing skills.
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Post by Skilly on May 2, 2009 16:27:23 GMT -5
I think his big problem was how he was being treated by a certain coach behind closed doors.....now that the problem is gone, and another year of maturing, things will be better for him. That would have been a mix between Julien and Gainey... Why? Perezhogin's last season was 2006-07, and Guy Carbonneau was the coach. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 20:10:35 GMT -5
Why? Perezhogin's last season was 2006-07, and Guy Carbonneau was the coach. My mistake, Skilly. For some reason I thought he bolted after the playoffs in 2006. My memory's starting to leave me in my old age. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 11, 2009 13:22:46 GMT -5
I had a chance to see a few of Russia's games on Swiss tv during the Worlds, and Perez still looks like he has speed and offensive skill. I would like to see him get another shot as he is still young and could bring some secondary scoring to the team. Based on a few games I could not judge if that bad habit for hooking/slashing penalties has been sorted out, but he sure seems to have thrived on the offensive front.
As for Emelin, I am really concerned about his apparent regression this past season. I do still think that his style of defense could be a welcome addition on a team deemed to be far too soft by many pundits, just not sure if he would not need some time in Hamilton first to make the adjustment to the NA game.
Not sure if these guys would be the answer to get the Habs over the hump, but they would make training camp more competitive and I think we should expect a few new faces on the team come this fall.
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Post by gy on May 22, 2009 17:57:56 GMT -5
Perez is a soft perimeter player. Lots of talent, no drive. I think we have enough of those. He is, to me, the kind of player we need to get away from, not to get more of. Emelin, I'll believe it when I see it !!! Not only do we need to convince him to come over but once he does come here, he has to adjust to the NHL game, which, is by no mean a gimme (regardless of his alledged NA style of play). I think counting on him to make a difference from the get go is a huge stretch. Perezhogin put a few players on the disabled list. He clobbered Keith Primeau, who's not exactly a midget. On a comparative scale, Tanguay is much softer. I'd count on Emelin from the get go a lot sooner than I would O'Byrne. Too many fans drooled at O'Byrne's size and alleged skating ability. Emelin has far more experience, and it shows. |
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Post by CrocRob on May 22, 2009 18:05:27 GMT -5
I wonder if anything came of these negotiations, or not.
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Post by Patty Roy on May 22, 2009 21:38:56 GMT -5
I wonder if anything came of these negotiations, or not. Emelin/Yemelin confirms he is negotiating with the Habs. Personally im excited to see him come over to NA. No secret his game seems more tailored to the NA style. With some seasoning he could develop into a good partner for Andrei Markov. The Habs could use more players with his grit. And for the record i would welcome Perezhogin back as well, but apparently he already told the club he's not interested in coming back at this time. Can't really blame him, he's likely to make more over there than he will on whatever deal brings him back to the NHL. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on May 23, 2009 6:51:12 GMT -5
I wonder if anything came of these negotiations, or not. Emelin/Yemelin confirms he is negotiating with the Habs. Personally im excited to see him come over to NA. No secret his game seems more tailored to the NA style. With some seasoning he could develop into a good partner for Andrei Markov. The Habs could use more players with his grit. And for the record i would welcome Perezhogin back as well, but apparently he already told the club he's not interested in coming back at this time. Can't really blame him, he's likely to make more over there than he will on whatever deal brings him back to the NHL. Can't wait to see whether they put Emelin or Yemelin on his jersey  It'd be great to get another left handed D in the system. He's said to be very aggressive, even over-aggressive which our goalies would love considering we got to be one of the softest defenses in the league playing in front of them. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 23, 2009 9:15:23 GMT -5
No secret his game seems more tailored to the NA style. With some seasoning he could develop into a good partner for Andrei Markov. The Habs could use more players with his grit. ...I dunno. PLaying a "NA Style" in the less rough Eruo leagues on way bigger rinks is one thing. Playing that style in the NHL where you have 6'3'' forwards ready to rip your head off is another thing. Emelin is quite undersize for a "physical" dmen in the NHL, has zero goals in 2 seasons and the latest report on him was that Ak Bars were quite unhappy with his play. Add to this that the guy certainly won't come here to make a salary of 50K and ride bus in the AHL when he can play for the most prestigious team of his home country. I have huge reservations on this guy. |
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Post by CrocRob on May 23, 2009 9:19:02 GMT -5
How big does he need to be? He's 6'2, 220 as per the most involved prospects guy I know. He's not a behemoth like Komisarek, but hopefully skates better.
For what it's worth, he also had a goal this season in the playoffs, but no I don't expect him to provide offense.
edit: That being said, he did score 3 points in 9 games on the world championship team in 2007 (a SHG and 2 assists). But hasn't been selected since. Definitely something enigmatic about him.
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 23, 2009 10:11:12 GMT -5
How big does he need to be? He's 6'2, 220 as per the most involved prospects guy I know. He's not a behemoth like Komisarek, but hopefully skates better.. Nowhere did I ever saw him listed at that size Red. Hockeydb lists him at 6.00'', 187lbs... Russian Prospects has him at 6'1'', 191lbs... Not saying he can't play at that size, but being a "physical dmen" at that size is not common and the main thing we keep reading about him is all about his toughness, grit and NA style... IMO, Subban is way closer to the NHL than Emelin. But that's just me. |
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Post by CrocRob on May 23, 2009 12:31:35 GMT -5
How big does he need to be? He's 6'2, 220 as per the most involved prospects guy I know. He's not a behemoth like Komisarek, but hopefully skates better.. Nowhere did I ever saw him listed at that size Red. Hockeydb lists him at 6.00'', 187lbs... Russian Prospects has him at 6'1'', 191lbs... Not saying he can't play at that size, but being a "physical dmen" at that size is not common and the main thing we keep reading about him is all about his toughness, grit and NA style... IMO, Subban is way closer to the NHL than Emelin. But that's just me. He said he got his size/weight from the AK Bars website. www.ak-bars.ru/team/If you look down to the third section, which is defensemen, he's listed as Àëåêñåé Åìåëèí (okay the Cyrillic didn't work, so look for the April 25, 1986 birthday). 101 kilos (222.6 pounds), 186 cm (6'1). edit: I was looking around the AK Bars website and last season Emelin was listed as 187cm, which is closer to 6'2 (73.6 inches). And identially listed on the HC Lada website for 2006. Subban and Emelin are just as far in my opinion. I'm not sold that Emelin can come over and make an impact immediately, but I believe he (as could Subban) could probably hang around as a 6-7th D and grow into a greater role as the season went on. |
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Post by seventeen on May 23, 2009 13:02:19 GMT -5
Subban is an intriguing prospect and if hockey was still played with 7 guys, the 7th being the Rover, Subban would be an ideal Rover. Right now, with a couple (or more) seasons of RSL play under his belt and having played with the Russian national team, I can't imaging Emelin not being at least a step up on Subban. In 3 years time, that's a different story, but we're talking two different kinds of player as well. Emelin should be what we have always hoped Komi could be (yet isn't).
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Post by Anardil1 on May 24, 2009 10:35:24 GMT -5
How big does he need to be? He's 6'2, 220 as per the most involved prospects guy I know. He's not a behemoth like Komisarek, but hopefully skates better.. Nowhere did I ever saw him listed at that size Red. Hockeydb lists him at 6.00'', 187lbs... Russian Prospects has him at 6'1'', 191lbs... Not saying he can't play at that size, but being a "physical dmen" at that size is not common and the main thing we keep reading about him is all about his toughness, grit and NA style... IMO, Subban is way closer to the NHL than Emelin. But that's just me. Size was never a problem for the player Emelin's style has been compared to: Darius Kasparaitis. If Emelin is anything like Darius, I'm one  camper. |
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Post by gy on May 24, 2009 22:31:54 GMT -5
How big does he need to be? He's 6'2, 220 as per the most involved prospects guy I know. He's not a behemoth like Komisarek, but hopefully skates better.. Nowhere did I ever saw him listed at that size Red. Hockeydb lists him at 6.00'', 187lbs... Russian Prospects has him at 6'1'', 191lbs... Not saying he can't play at that size, but being a "physical dmen" at that size is not common and the main thing we keep reading about him is all about his toughness, grit and NA style... ...I dunno. PLaying a "NA Style" in the less rough Eruo leagues on way bigger rinks is one thing. Playing that style in the NHL where you have 6'3'' forwards ready to rip your head off is another thing. Emelin is quite undersize for a "physical" dmen in the NHL, has zero goals in 2 seasons and the latest report on him was that Ak Bars were quite unhappy with his play. Add to this that the guy certainly won't come here to make a salary of 50K and ride bus in the AHL when he can play for the most prestigious team of his home country. IMO, Subban is way closer to the NHL than Emelin. But that's just me. Careful with the generalities. Niklas Kronwall of the Detroit Red Wings is listed as 6'00 and 189 pounds. Kronwall has a reputation of being a hard hitter. Given the number of times Detroit has survived well into the playoffs in recent years I'm reasonably sure you've seen it for yourself. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 25, 2009 6:53:18 GMT -5
Nowhere did I ever saw him listed at that size Red. Hockeydb lists him at 6.00'', 187lbs... Russian Prospects has him at 6'1'', 191lbs... Not saying he can't play at that size, but being a "physical dmen" at that size is not common and the main thing we keep reading about him is all about his toughness, grit and NA style... ...I dunno. PLaying a "NA Style" in the less rough Eruo leagues on way bigger rinks is one thing. Playing that style in the NHL where you have 6'3'' forwards ready to rip your head off is another thing. Emelin is quite undersize for a "physical" dmen in the NHL, has zero goals in 2 seasons and the latest report on him was that Ak Bars were quite unhappy with his play. Add to this that the guy certainly won't come here to make a salary of 50K and ride bus in the AHL when he can play for the most prestigious team of his home country. IMO, Subban is way closer to the NHL than Emelin. But that's just me. Careful with the generalities. Niklas Kronwall of the Detroit Red Wings is listed as 6'00 and 189 pounds. Kronwall has a reputation of being a hard hitter. Given the number of times Detroit has survived well into the playoffs in recent years I'm reasonably sure you've seen it for yourself. Which is why I said "not common", not impossible. |
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Post by gy on May 25, 2009 14:31:36 GMT -5
Careful with the generalities. Niklas Kronwall of the Detroit Red Wings is listed as 6'00 and 189 pounds. Kronwall has a reputation of being a hard hitter. Given the number of times Detroit has survived well into the playoffs in recent years I'm reasonably sure you've seen it for yourself. Which is why I said "not common", not impossible. That's quibbling because you're still basing your argument on listed height and weight rather than on what he can do. Have you ever seen him? You may be right in the end, but I think you should be more patient. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 25, 2009 15:30:29 GMT -5
Which is why I said "not common", not impossible. That's quibbling because you're still basing your argument on listed height and weight rather than on what he can do. Have you ever seen him? You may be right in the end, but I think you should be more patient. Patient goes both ways in this case. Every year people rave with at the prospect-du-jour and put unachievable expectations on prospects. Some are pegging him as a sure shot NHLer, top 4 D as early as next year with Kronwall or Kasparytis upside, I'm thinking that the guy will most likely go through an adjustment period and a player's rough style in a Euro league might not translate so evidently in the NHL. Call it quibbling but in my book you're just searching for arguments where there isn't any. |
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Post by seventeen on May 25, 2009 20:24:23 GMT -5
I see him as a guy who won't let people down his side without a bit of sweat pouring off them and who can make a decent first pass.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 25, 2009 23:33:45 GMT -5
Subban is an intriguing prospect and if hockey was still played with 7 guys, the 7th being the Rover, Subban would be an ideal Rover. Right now, with a couple (or more) seasons of RSL play under his belt and having played with the Russian national team, I can't imaging Emelin not being at least a step up on Subban. In 3 years time, that's a different story, but we're talking two different kinds of player as well. Emelin should be what we have always hoped Komi could be (yet isn't). It will be good to have both types in the fold. Subban is very much a rover, much akin to the style of play that you see Mike Green adopting with the Caps at times. PK also brings a much better defensive game than was first advertised as he has been working on getting better in his own end. He is still very raw from the pro-ranks of things, but a few good years in Hamilton will help. Emelin brings a more defensive aware approach to things, and would be a lot less likely to push his play up ice, but would be a lot less fun to play against down low. Not really sure why his development stalled last season, but he is also raw from the NA pro style of game and would greatly benefit from getting a chance to play in the AHL to get his feet wet. He is just two years removed from being a very young regular on the Russian national team and only three years removed from being one of their mainstays on their WJC defensive core. I still think there is a lot of salvagable talent their to be developed this side of the pond. Get him and his silent "Y" over here this summer Bob! |
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