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Post by HabSolute on May 13, 2009 7:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on May 13, 2009 8:17:01 GMT -5
I guess it depends in the direction Vancouver wants to move in. If Gillis tries hard to re-sign the Sedins then he must want to keep Luongo & take another shot at playoff success.
If Gillis decides he wants to go in another direction & start again, he may want to do that with a younger, cheaper goalie.
I wouldn't consider the deal unless Luongo was re-signed long term but that's going to take 6-7 million bucks & lots of term.
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Post by clear observer on May 13, 2009 8:22:23 GMT -5
Without blinking an eye.
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Post by blny on May 13, 2009 8:50:56 GMT -5
I'm not sold that it makes us any better. Luongo is a great goalie, make no mistake. But, what exactly has he done when the real season begins? He wasn't good enough to carry the Nucks passed Chicago when he need to be. I think it's a lot to invest.
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Post by Polarice on May 13, 2009 9:05:39 GMT -5
I don't really see the benfit...last year maybe, but now, I'd rather stick with Price.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on May 13, 2009 9:12:51 GMT -5
Price has much the same potential Luongo had when he was an Islander/Panther. Will it be lived up to who knows but some will say Luongo has yet to win anything either.
If they are going to rebuild with younger free agents the stick with Price, the kid deserves another shot. If the team is close and Price is not the answer come trade deadline you might have to go after a goalie then.
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Post by CrocRob on May 13, 2009 9:17:26 GMT -5
Depends on what else we can do. Not much point in tying up $7M in Luongo if we can't fill the rest of the team out. I guess it solves a "need", but it would certainly cost more than Price and it all depends on what else it would cost.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 10:47:21 GMT -5
Price has much the same potential Luongo had when he was an Islander/Panther. Will it be lived up to who knows but some will say Luongo has yet to win anything either. If they are going to rebuild with younger free agents the stick with Price, the kid deserves another shot. If the team is close and Price is not the answer come trade deadline you might have to go after a goalie then. I don't know how much success Luongo has had in other levels, but Price has a World Juniors Championship and a Calder Cup Championship under his belt. |
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Post by CrocRob on May 13, 2009 12:27:27 GMT -5
Price has much the same potential Luongo had when he was an Islander/Panther. Will it be lived up to who knows but some will say Luongo has yet to win anything either. If they are going to rebuild with younger free agents the stick with Price, the kid deserves another shot. If the team is close and Price is not the answer come trade deadline you might have to go after a goalie then. I don't know how much success Luongo has had in other levels, but Price has a World Juniors Championship and a Calder Cup Championship under his belt. Luongo's done reasonably well on the International stage: 2x Gold and a Silver at the World Championship (his appearances there indicative of how his NHL teams have fared), Gold at the World Cup, Silver at the WJC -- a debated achievement as though he won the "Best Goaltender" award, many feel he choked in the gold medal game. Luongo never spent any considerable time in the AHL, though he did play in 6 playoff games for Lowell in his rookie season and went 2-1 to win the first round, then 0-3 before being supplanted by Travis Scott (an NHL one-game wonder, btw) in game 4 in a second round sweep. In the Q he had a disaster of a first season, then won Q championships in his 2nd and 3rd seasons. Neither team did anything of merit at the Memorial Cup, Val D'Or (1998) going 0-3 and Luongo (6.33 GAA, .857 sv%) surrendering 19 goals and Acadie (1999) doing slightly better -- 0-3 but only surrendering 12 goals, 11 by Luongo (3.67 GAA, 0.893 sv%). |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 13, 2009 15:29:43 GMT -5
Luongo IS the goalie we can only HOPE Price will ever become. Plus he's just entering his prime. Hockey wise, this would be highway robery for us.
Salary wise though, when considering the number of really good goalies available I do have a problem paying 7mil for one.
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Post by HFTO on May 14, 2009 7:58:31 GMT -5
Well yes I would do it ......but given the dollars it is a concern.
With the amount of money we have and will have possibly tied up in our D .... we still don't have that elite player up front.
Assuming you could get Komi for even 4.5 to 5 with Hamr, Markov and Luongo you'd be at about 22 mil add a Vinny type and your at basically 30 mil for 5 players.
If you want one or two of Tanguay and or Koivu /Kovy your pushing 35-38 leaving approx 12-16 left and you don't know how far the salary cap will fall.
To me thats the only reason why it wouldn't make sense unless you have a great goalie and a rag tag bunch up front.
Getting Price to world class level is the best route in terms of being able to manage the cap in the short term and hope you get that cup B4 he's a big money goalie.
HFTO
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 14, 2009 12:24:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't do it.
You have to think harder about value in a cap system, and where you want to put your high salary dollars. I look at goalies as almost like running backs in the NFL - there are lots of them, and when they get too pricey to keep you let them walk and find another one. Or like closers in baseball. The Red Sox have been reluctant to give Jon Papelbon a long-term deal because they're not sure how long he'll remain an elite closer AND because they feel it's a position that can be replaced with another strong arm. The Mariano Riveras and Marty Brodeurs of the world are the exception and not the rule.
My fantasy team would be to assign high value to top pair defensemen, franchise centre, and scoring winger. I would target those positions as areas where I would spend $6+ million in long-term deals, and then spend the rest on filling out the roster.
Signing a guy like Luongo to a 5-year, $35M contract just seems like "bad value" and it would inhibit our flexibility to spend that money on positions of greater need and where true impact players are scarce.
Better to ride Price while he's young and cheap and complement him with a veteran backup we can sign at short money, rather than commit long term to Luongo where we don't have a supporting cast and we need those dollars to sign/trade for better players.
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Post by clear observer on May 14, 2009 13:40:42 GMT -5
Price for Luongo!??!?
Where is it written that you couldn't subsequently move Luongo? Say to a Western conference team in need of perhaps the league's BEST goaltender as their final building block/piece of the puzzle in exchange for a stud d-man/centerman?
Again, I'd be all over an offer (and the phone) like this..."3-way deal, anybody?"
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 14, 2009 13:47:53 GMT -5
Well yes I would do it ......but given the dollars it is a concern. With the amount of money we have and will have possibly tied up in our D .... we still don't have that elite player up front. Assuming you could get Komi for even 4.5 to 5 with Hamr, Markov and Luongo you'd be at about 22 mil add a Vinny type and your at basically 30 mil for 5 players. If you want one or two of Tanguay and or Koivu /Kovy your pushing 35-38 leaving approx 12-16 left and you don't know how far the salary cap will fall. To me thats the only reason why it wouldn't make sense unless you have a great goalie and a rag tag bunch up front. Getting Price to world class level is the best route in terms of being able to manage the cap in the short term and hope you get that cup B4 he's a big money goalie. HFTO Absolutely correct. Young players are far more valuable (bang for buck) than older guys at their peak market value. The exceptions are Brisebois and Chelios types who want to hang on for the fun, not the money. Price will be better than Luongo and soon too! The teams that are still in the running received great goaltending, all the ordinary saves plus acrobatic supersavers. Boston is where they are because of Wheeler, Kessel, and other young guys producing for rookie money. |
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Post by OopyDoopy on May 14, 2009 19:14:59 GMT -5
I say no, while Luongo is a world class goalie, would he fill an immediate need? I don't thinks so, we need size up the middle and better defense more than a Luongo.
I also believe change goalie coach and Price will turn into what we all hoped and that to me is better than Luongo, mind you it has to be a coach that understands Price and his strengths, I hire Kolzig, he mentored him in juinor and helped make him into what he was before Melanson.
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Post by cigarviper on May 14, 2009 20:15:55 GMT -5
Not any day of the week, especially not on Sunday.
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Post by seventeen on May 14, 2009 23:55:07 GMT -5
Well, if you'd take those toothpicks out, you'd find it easier. Me, I don't make that deal. AT least Price has shown he can win when the chips are down. Now we just need to show him some work ethic and maturity and away we go. |
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Post by clear observer on May 15, 2009 0:02:10 GMT -5
AT least Price has shown he can win when the chips are down. He has? |
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Post by seventeen on May 15, 2009 0:50:45 GMT -5
WJC, both against the US in a long, long, shootout to get into the final and then against Sweden in the final.
Taking a mediocre Bulldogs team and carrying them to the Calder Cup.
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Post by franko on May 15, 2009 5:55:27 GMT -5
Time to say "we need d" to get the mods agreeing again.
I say no to Luongo . . . yes to Price having a summer to reflect onthe year past and his future . . . and to Bob solidiftying the d this summer.
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Post by clear observer on May 15, 2009 8:22:09 GMT -5
WJC, both against the US in a long, long, shootout to get into the final and then against Sweden in the final. Taking a mediocre Bulldogs team and carrying them to the Calder Cup. All well and good, but of course, this is the "bigs" we're talkin' 'bout now, my dear friend. I can show you a long list of AHLers with monumental minor-league accomplishments that translated into jack-squat in the NHL...but alas...I don't wanna!  |
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Post by clear observer on May 15, 2009 9:30:05 GMT -5
I say no to Luongo . . . yes to Price having a summer to reflect onthe year past and his future . . . and to Bob solidiftying the d this summer. I dunno, Franko....a seemingly broken/stalled asset for an elite and arguably the game's "best" straight-up is a no-brainer where I'm concerned. Many of us want to see wholesale changes, and at a period where the cap is certainly NOT an obstacle for this team, it makes Luongo's salary is a moot point. HOWEVER, if it is, I don't understand why the possibility of a 3-way in a scenario such as this is being completely discounted. A quick scenario: To Montreal via Detroit: Kronwall To Vancouver: Price To Detroit via Montreal: Luongo Et voila, I get my "d-man" and everbody's happy!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2009 9:38:19 GMT -5
Well, if you'd take those toothpicks out, you'd find it easier. Me, I don't make that deal. AT least Price has shown he can win when the chips are down. Now we just need to show him some work ethic and maturity and away we go. Or, we can ice a team that won't give up more than 30 shots a game and actually give him better support instead of blaming him that 3 or 4 of those 30+ shots go in every night. |
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