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Post by Doc Holliday on May 19, 2009 7:53:24 GMT -5
Internet rumor has Briere and Lupul coming to Montreal for a package centered on Price and the rights to Komi....
Given that Gainey was highly interested in him 2 summers ago, it is entirely conceivable that he still would be interested if Briere was available. Given his contract and recent injury history, I don't think it would take an asset like Price to land him though.
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Post by Polarice on May 19, 2009 7:59:02 GMT -5
Internet rumor has Briere and Lupul coming to Montreal for a package centered on Price and the rights to Komi.... Given that Gainey was highly interested in him 2 summers ago, it is entirely conceivable that he still would be interested if Briere was available. Given his contract and recent injury history, I don't think it would take an asset like Price to land him though. I heard this, this morning....why Briere? IS Gainey giving up on Vinny, or is this to try and encourage Tampa to start talking again? |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2009 8:56:34 GMT -5
It wouldn't make sense for Gainey to give up on Price unless something really went sour between those two.
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Post by CrocRob on May 19, 2009 10:01:15 GMT -5
What kind of Internet rumour is it? Eklund, an accredited media outlet?
Komisarek to Philly makes all too much sense as a Hatcher replacement.
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Post by Andrew on May 19, 2009 10:02:29 GMT -5
It wouldn't make sense for Gainey to give up on Price unless something really went sour between those two. No doubt. That's a real kick in the junk. We give up our most valuable asset for a player who passed on us to play for a team that over-payed him. Why should we overpay for another team's mistake and clear up their cap problem? |
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Post by clear observer on May 19, 2009 10:47:09 GMT -5
Why should we overpay for another team's mistake and clear up their cap problem? We shouldn't...and we won't. |
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Post by jkr on May 19, 2009 11:21:51 GMT -5
Why should we overpay for another team's mistake and clear up their cap problem? We shouldn't...and we won't. What concerns me is Boivin's statement that the Canadiens are going to go hard after a francophone star. After Lecavalier, St. Louis & Briere, who fits in that category & who is available? |
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Post by The New Guy on May 19, 2009 11:22:04 GMT -5
I want more than Briere and Lupul for Price at this point. It'd have to be Briere, Lupul, Biron (because he'd have a career year if he plays in Montreal the way he's always played against us) and probably a pick. There's no way that Philly does that however (it's too much to give up for a young goalie) but it'd be what I'd be asking.
Sorry folks, a lousy second half and post-season (which was made to look much worse by the teams complete inability to play defense) does not ruin this kid IMHO. Fleury had all kinds of problems in Pittsburgh too for his first few years - consistency issues, facing a ton of rubber - and he's slowly emerging as a priemier goalie (one which might drag a Penguins team with lousy defense to the finals for a second year in a row). Unless Philly is offering the moon, or something has gone on behind the scenes that is forcing our hands, Price should stay a member of the Canadiens for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 19, 2009 11:22:04 GMT -5
Price is Gainey's boy pick and moving him means there would definitely be something wrong in Mudville.
I don't know ... Briere and Lupul for Price and the rights to Komisarek (UFA on July 1st)?
The Flyer D would get bigger (in the Flyer tradition of big players) but slower ... Our forward lines would look a lot differently ... Briere/Koivu/Plekanec/Lapierre ... something tells me that if Briere came on line, one of the last three might be working elsewhere. Just a hunch.
The Habs and Flyers have done business several times in the past ... acquiring Price would give the Flyers the goaltender they've been looking for, for what seems like forever ... would Price become Habs-killer-#1? Would Komisarek finally learn how to fight?
Would Briere be run out of town for a 75-point effort? I'm not saying that would be his total, but unless he starts clicking with other players right off the bat ...
Don't know about this one ... believe it when I see it ... like everything else with our club ...
Cheers la
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Post by duster on May 19, 2009 11:29:22 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, the Habs would give up their No 1 goalie as well as the rights to Komisarek and still would not address their problems at centre ( unless some here think an overpaid, undersized and underachieving Briere is that big centre we've always wanted) or get in return a high calibre starting goalie or even replace Komi on defense. How can Gainey say no?  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 19, 2009 11:40:04 GMT -5
What concerns me is Boivin's statement that the Canadiens are going to go hard after a francophone star. After Lecavalier, St. Louis & Briere, who fits in that category & who is available? Precisely. And as I said, it's not as if Gainey did not try to acquire Briere before (he was ready to give him a bigger contract than Philly did). |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 19, 2009 11:46:59 GMT -5
Internet rumor has Briere and Lupul coming to Montreal for a package centered on Price and the rights to Komi.... Given that Gainey was highly interested in him 2 summers ago, it is entirely conceivable that he still would be interested if Briere was available. Given his contract and recent injury history, I don't think it would take an asset like Price to land him though. I heard this, this morning....why Briere? IS Gainey giving up on Vinny, or is this to try and encourage Tampa to start talking again? I get a feeling that the mini-window of opportunity for that to happen has gone. |
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Post by duster on May 19, 2009 12:00:31 GMT -5
What concerns me is Boivin's statement that the Canadiens are going to go hard after a francophone star. After Lecavalier, St. Louis & Briere, who fits in that category & who is available? Precisely. And as I said, it's not as if Gainey did not try to acquire Briere before (he was ready to give him a bigger contract than Philly did). Why do you make the assumption that he may still be interested in Briere? If I remember events correctly, Briere made a deliberate and well thought out decision not to play for Montreal. Why would he suddenly wave his no movement clause? In addition, nowhere did Boivin say the "francophone star" was Lecavalier, Saint Louis or even Briere etc... for all we know, it could mean a defenseman or even a goaltender. |
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Post by jkr on May 19, 2009 14:27:56 GMT -5
Precisely. And as I said, it's not as if Gainey did not try to acquire Briere before (he was ready to give him a bigger contract than Philly did). Why do you make the assumption that he may still be interested in Briere? If I remember events correctly, Briere made a deliberate and well thought out decision not to play for Montreal. Why would he suddenly wave his no movement clause? In addition, nowhere did Boivin say the "francophone star" was Lecavalier, Saint Louis or even Briere etc... for all we know, it could mean a defenseman or even a goaltender. That's my question duster. Who fits into the category of "francophone star" & who is available? Because of the team's need for centre depth, the ususal suspects are rounded up & put in the rumor mill. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 19, 2009 14:54:11 GMT -5
Precisely. And as I said, it's not as if Gainey did not try to acquire Briere before (he was ready to give him a bigger contract than Philly did). Why do you make the assumption that he may still be interested in Briere? ...and why would you assume not? We're still in need of quality centermen and the derection is still looking for a marquee local player. If I remember events correctly, Briere made a deliberate and well thought out decision not to play for Montreal. Why would he suddenly wave his no movement clause? In addition, nowhere did Boivin say the "francophone star" was Lecavalier, Saint Louis or even Briere etc... for all we know, it could mean a defenseman or even a goaltender. I didn't say Briere would be interested. I said it make sense that Gainey would still be. And yes, that local marquee player could be anyone. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 19, 2009 16:51:46 GMT -5
Why do you make the assumption that he may still be interested in Briere? ...and why would you assume not? We're still in need of quality centermen and the derection is still looking for a marquee local player. If I remember events correctly, Briere made a deliberate and well thought out decision not to play for Montreal. Why would he suddenly wave his no movement clause? In addition, nowhere did Boivin say the "francophone star" was Lecavalier, Saint Louis or even Briere etc... for all we know, it could mean a defenseman or even a goaltender. I didn't say Briere would be interested. I said it make sense that Gainey would still be. And yes, that local marquee player could be anyone. The bottom line is they've been unable to deliver on this promise, though I'm sure they've tried. A supposed deal fell through with TB WRT Vinny Lecavalier in which Gainey said Broten was unethical and unprofessional (not so many words), Briere was only 20 minutes away from signing when Gainey and Gillett said they had the rug pulled out from underneath them (figure of speech), As far as bonafide Francophone stars are concerned, is Luongo fully bilingual? He's about the only other French star left. Stranger things have happened, granted, but I'd like to know the source on this one. Price is Gainey's man of the future. Komisarek is an UFA soon and so unless a deal in principle is guaranteed, all this is moot. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on May 19, 2009 19:49:25 GMT -5
I'd prefer we stay away from Briere and Lupul. The names on the jersey might be different but we'd still have the same type of team ... small centers and third rate wingers that we need to have Richard Trophy type years to contend.
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Post by jkr on May 19, 2009 20:47:37 GMT -5
I'd prefer we stay away from Briere and Lupul. The names on the jersey might be different but we'd still have the same type of team ... small centers and third rate wingers that we need to have Richard Trophy type years to contend. Plus I heard today that Briere has just had eye surgery. Don't know what the issue was but he's had his share of injuries this year. |
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Post by Marvin on May 19, 2009 21:27:23 GMT -5
Stupid rumor, nonsense trade.
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Post by blny on May 20, 2009 10:14:35 GMT -5
A supposed deal fell through with TB WRT Vinny Lecavalier in which Gainey said Broten was unethical and unprofessional (not so many words), I think you mean Brian Lawton.  I'd have a really hard time doing this deal. I don't think Briere has the stones to play in this market, and I don't think he's remotely worth what he's making. Lupul is the classic under achiever. He's bounced around a few teams now, in a short period of time. I have zero interest in him. Moving Price to an Eastern Conference rival scares the crap out of me. He's exactly what Philly needs. I fully expect him to rebound (he has at every stage of his career). No way do I trade him without getting a bonafied superstar in return. Briere isn't it. If the Flyers want to talk about Carter/Richards and Braydon Coburn I'm willing to listen. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 20, 2009 14:45:31 GMT -5
A supposed deal fell through with TB WRT Vinny Lecavalier in which Gainey said Broten was unethical and unprofessional (not so many words), I think you mean Brian Lawton. GaaaYuk! That's him  thanks. Must have thinking about German food ... Thanks. Probably just an internet rumour as Doc suggests ... hope so anyway. Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on May 20, 2009 23:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by CrocRob on May 21, 2009 0:04:28 GMT -5
Okay I'm sorry, but the rumoured deal (and there's still no link anywhere, should this be locked?) according to that blog is Briere or Lupul and JVR or Sbisa or 2009 1st for Price and Komisarek's rights which is a dramatically different proposal than Briere and Lupul. So here's the original link from Chuck Gormley who I presume is the Philly version of Garrioch or Simmons or something.. blogs.courierpostonline.com/flyers/2009/05/16/briere-to-habs-for-price/The latest trade rumors involving the Flyers have either Danny Briere or Joffrey Lupul and a top prospect (either James Van Riemsdyk, Luca Sbisa or a 2009 first-round pick) headed to Montreal for goaltender Carey Price and the rights to defenseman Mike Komisarek, who will be unresitricted on July 1. If Briere is included, he would need to lift his no-trade clause to make it happen.
Price has a cap hit of $2.2 million. Komisarek could command about $5 million.
Another trade rumor has the Flyers interested in obtaining goaltender Roberto Luongo and perhaps the rights to UFA defenseman Mattias Ohlund from the Vancouver Canucks for a similar package, although the Canucks are pushing hard for Jeff Carter. Luongo is entering the final year of a contract that carries a $6.75 cap hit, while Ohlund is likely to fetch $5 million in the open market. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 21, 2009 6:47:15 GMT -5
(and there's still no link anywhere, should this be locked?) Relax fellows, as I said this is just an internet rumor to discuss, not an official press conference. |
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Post by CrocRob on May 21, 2009 8:50:46 GMT -5
(and there's still no link anywhere, should this be locked?) Relax fellows, as I said this is just an internet rumor to discuss, not an official press conference. Yes, but at the same time if every "internet rumour" was posted on here we'd have a mess of threads, and frustrated users. As it turns out, the rumour actually comes from a newspaper blog much like Habs Inside/Out, so it has a few more teeth than something just posted on HF. |
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Post by habernac on May 21, 2009 14:08:03 GMT -5
Briere leaving Philly? this is some flyer fan's pipedream. They're stuck with that horrible contract and rightly so.
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Post by PTH on May 21, 2009 20:35:51 GMT -5
For Philly to get Price, as far as I'm concerned, means Carter or Richards has to be coming back.
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 22, 2009 6:39:01 GMT -5
For Philly to get Price, as far as I'm concerned, means Carter or Richards has to be coming back. Both are worth more than Price IMO. Both Richards and Carter are young player that have reached their potential and are already major NHL contributor. Price remains a projet (a good one) that has all sorts of question marks around him. Not saying I'd trade him for Briere but just as well he wouldn't fetch the world on his own in a trade IMO. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 22, 2009 7:50:24 GMT -5
I'm of two minds on this. For one, I still think Briere here would work. The guy can be 70+ guy provided he stays healthy, but that of course is the big "provided." The contract isn't that big a deal to me, as his cap hit is "only" $6.5 million, which isn't all that much more than Hamrlik's. Plus it's front loaded, so while whoever owns the team will be on the hook for big money right now, it's not my money and all I care about is the cap impact. Which is big, but not insurmountable. The length is bad too, but the last couple of years are for minimal salary, so buyouts could be possible.
Having said that, no way do I give up Price for him. Not unless they've detected a SERIOUS flaw in the young man that they KNOW cannot be fixed. In which case get while the getting is good. But I don't think that is the case.
So I would try to get Briere, but in a "let's fleece them kind of deal." Like Halak, and the rights to Komisarek for Van Riemsdyke and Briere. Maybe even throw in the rights to Biron, or something.
I don't know what the market is for a guy like Briere, but I suspect it's not as bad as some would have you believe. Teams like Columbus or LA would probably be more than happy to take him on, perhaps even Atlanta, so I don't think we would be the sole bidders for him. Having said that, I do think Philly wants to move him, and not just for cap reasons. As we all know they have Carter and Richards down the middle, but they also have Claude Giroux, who is going to be an outstanding player. They need to make some ice time for him too...
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Post by Doc Holliday on May 22, 2009 8:13:41 GMT -5
I'm of two minds on this. For one, I still think Briere here would work. The guy can be 70+ guy provided he stays healthy, but that of course is the big "provided." The contract isn't that big a deal to me, as his cap hit is "only" $6.5 million, which isn't all that much more than Hamrlik's. Plus it's front loaded, so while whoever owns the team will be on the hook for big money right now, it's not my money and all I care about is the cap impact. Which is big, but not insurmountable. The length is bad too, but the last couple of years are for minimal salary, so buyouts could be possible. Having said that, no way do I give up Price for him. Not unless they've detected a SERIOUS flaw in the young man that they KNOW cannot be fixed. In which case get while the getting is good. But I don't think that is the case. So I would try to get Briere, but in a "let's fleece them kind of deal." Like Halak, and the rights to Komisarek for Van Riemsdyke and Briere. Maybe even throw in the rights to Biron, or something. I don't know what the market is for a guy like Briere, but I suspect it's not as bad as some would have you believe. Teams like Columbus or LA would probably be more than happy to take him on, perhaps even Atlanta, so I don't think we would be the sole bidders for him. Having said that, I do think Philly wants to move him, and not just for cap reasons. As we all know they have Carter and Richards down the middle, but they also have Claude Giroux, who is going to be an outstanding player. They need to make some ice time for him too... There you go. That's exactly how I feel only this is eloquently and logically presented. |
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