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Post by Skilly on May 22, 2009 11:00:39 GMT -5
I'm of two minds on this. For one, I still think Briere here would work. The guy can be 70+ guy provided he stays healthy, We already have a guy that fits this description and his name is Koivu. 6.5 million for a 70 point Briere .... or less for a 70 point Koivu. Briere's 2 seasons of more than 70 points were with teams that had players to compliment his game. How many points does he get with us? Unless the plan is to stick him with Tanguay and Kovalev and be a one-line team?? Let the rest of the league ponder offers for Briere. Let's land someone that we actually need. |
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Post by jkr on May 22, 2009 11:17:11 GMT -5
I'm of two minds on this. For one, I still think Briere here would work. The guy can be 70+ guy provided he stays healthy, We already have a guy that fits this description and his name is Koivu. 6.5 million for a 70 point Briere .... or less for a 70 point Koivu. Briere's 2 seasons of more than 70 points were with teams that had players to compliment his game. How many points does he get with us? Unless the plan is to stick him with Tanguay and Kovalev and be a one-line team?? Let the rest of the league ponder offers for Briere. Let's land someone that we actually need. Gainey may have wanted Briere badly two years ago when he was coming of a 90 point season. But after watching him the last two years, maybe he has changed his mind. I don't want BG to solve Philly's cap problems unless it solves some of the Hbas problems as well. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 22, 2009 11:31:34 GMT -5
I'm of two minds on this. For one, I still think Briere here would work. The guy can be 70+ guy provided he stays healthy, We already have a guy that fits this description and his name is Koivu. 6.5 million for a 70 point Briere .... or less for a 70 point Koivu. Briere's 2 seasons of more than 70 points were with teams that had players to compliment his game. How many points does he get with us? Unless the plan is to stick him with Tanguay and Kovalev and be a one-line team?? Let the rest of the league ponder offers for Briere. Let's land someone that we actually need. We can’t have both Koivu and Briere? Don’t forget, in my hypothetical scenario we’re getting Van Riemsdyke back as well, a 6’3 budding power-forward. I wouldn’t go after Briere at all costs, but if the opportunity to fleece them is there, why wouldn’t we jump on it? All sort of predicated on what guys like Tanguay, Koivu and Kovalev are willing to settle for, but hypothetically this roster would come out to a little over $54 million… Tanguay (4.5) – Koivu (3.5) – Kovalev (4) Van Riemsdyke (1) – Briere (6.5) – Andrei (3.25) Higgins (2.1) – Lapierre (.8) – Latendresse (1.2) Kostopoulos (1.5) – Metropolit (1) – Laraque (1.5) Extras: Stewart (.7), Sergie/Pacioretty (.7) Trade Plekanec. Markov (5.75) – Beauchemin (3.5) Hamrlik (5.5) – Oduya (3) Gorges (1) – Bouillon (1) (just for you Skilly!) Schneider (1) * or whoever you want to sign for the defense in place of Oduya, Beauchemin and Schneider Price (.85) Backup Bob (.75) * Probably couldn’t afford Biron with this roster. |
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Post by blny on May 22, 2009 13:13:41 GMT -5
It's an interesting lineup BC, but if we've seen anything we need to add size WITH skill up the middle. 4 years ago we could perhaps get away with a small fast team against a healthy Chara. You can't now. You need someone that can atleast approach his physical strength. Briere doesn't solve the problem.
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Post by BadCompany on May 22, 2009 14:09:15 GMT -5
It's an interesting lineup BC, but if we've seen anything we need to add size WITH skill up the middle. 4 years ago we could perhaps get away with a small fast team against a healthy Chara. You can't now. You need someone that can atleast approach his physical strength. Briere doesn't solve the problem. Sure. But how are we going to do that anytime in the foreseeable future? Personally I think that “need big centers” thing is a little overblown. Neither Boston nor Detroit have big centers, and they did/do just fine, whereas San Jose is huge down the middle and can’t buy a playoff victory. Obviously given my druthers (which taste like strawberries, by the way) I would take the big guy over the little guy, but is that really going to be an option for us this summer? Put it this way, would you rather have Koivu, Briere and Van Riemsdyke, or Koivu and Plekanec? Again, I’m going home run here. If Philly wants us to take Lupul, or Knuble, or they insist on Price, I’m laughing in their face. But if we could steal the Dyke just so Philly can get rid of the Briere cap hit we’d be foolish to pass up the opportunity, if you ask me. |
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Post by blny on May 22, 2009 15:52:37 GMT -5
It's an interesting lineup BC, but if we've seen anything we need to add size WITH skill up the middle. 4 years ago we could perhaps get away with a small fast team against a healthy Chara. You can't now. You need someone that can atleast approach his physical strength. Briere doesn't solve the problem. Sure. But how are we going to do that anytime in the foreseeable future? Personally I think that “need big centers” thing is a little overblown. Neither Boston nor Detroit have big centers, and they did/do just fine, whereas San Jose is huge down the middle and can’t buy a playoff victory. Obviously given my druthers (which taste like strawberries, by the way) I would take the big guy over the little guy, but is that really going to be an option for us this summer? Put it this way, would you rather have Koivu, Briere and Van Riemsdyke, or Koivu and Plekanec? Again, I’m going home run here. If Philly wants us to take Lupul, or Knuble, or they insist on Price, I’m laughing in their face. But if we could steal the Dyke just so Philly can get rid of the Briere cap hit we’d be foolish to pass up the opportunity, if you ask me. They don't have to play against Chara. I'd rather have Lecavalier and X, than Briere and VR. |
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Post by CrocRob on May 22, 2009 16:23:26 GMT -5
I'd love to get my hands on JVR. Big scoring LW (and we can finally move AK to RW full-time) that would look pretty good along with Pacioretty, D'Agostini and Andrei Kostitsyn as possible top 6 wingers.
I think I'd be hesitant to trade Price for Briere and JVR, but realistically I think I'd do it because the talent difference between Halak at this point isn't that great. The difference in pedigree and lower level achievement is remarkable, but not talent.
Now I should say I don't think JVR is on the table. But I'd take Briere and JVR over Lecavalier alone -- if the price is the same (which I don't think it would be).
One thing that concerns me is that Briere is a marginal (at best) faceoff man. Usually at or slightly above 50%. If we retain Koivu and Lapierre continues winning draws the way he has, that's not a huge concern. But we will need to compensate for that for the next 5 seasons Briere is in Montreal.
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Post by Skilly on May 22, 2009 19:15:52 GMT -5
We can’t have both Koivu and Briere? I don't think we can. Koivu may take a discount if he feels we are building a contending team. But I don't think everyone (Tanguay, Kovalev, ...) takes less. Sure if we can fleece them ... I'm not sure getting JVR is fleecing them, especially if taking on Briere handcuffs us. I never looked at the actually numbers of all the players, but one glaring error jumped out at me. Price's cap hit is 2.2 million, not 0.85 million. So your hypothetical is now 1.4 million more or around 55.5 million. Bonuses have to be accounted for in the cap. |
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Post by Skilly on May 22, 2009 19:27:38 GMT -5
Tanguay (4.5) – Koivu (3.5) – Kovalev (4) Van Riemsdyke (1) – Briere (6.5) – Andrei (3.25) Higgins (2.1) – Lapierre (.8) – Latendresse (1.2) Kostopoulos (1.5) – Metropolit (1) – Laraque (1.5) Extras: Stewart (.7), Sergie/Pacioretty (.7) Trade Plekanec. Markov (5.75) – Beauchemin (3.5) Hamrlik (5.5) – Oduya (3) Gorges (1) – Bouillon (1) (just for you Skilly!) Schneider (1) * or whoever you want to sign for the defense in place of Oduya, Beauchemin and Schneider Price (.85) Backup Bob (.75) I know we are splitting hairs ... but every little bit counts when talking about the cap. You have Tanguay , Koivu and Kovalev giving home town discounts. You then have Bouillion giving a big discount. Gorges cap hit is actually 1.1 million. Pacioretty is signed for 0.875 cap hit S.Kosty is signed for a 0.817 cap hit Schneider takes a 4 million pay cut? And as mentioned Price's cap hit is 2.2 million. I don't know .. I know it is a hypothetical. But thats alot of things that have to fall into place .... |
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Post by CrocRob on May 23, 2009 0:27:42 GMT -5
I never looked at the actually numbers of all the players, but one glaring error jumped out at me. Price's cap hit is 2.2 million, not 0.85 million. So your hypothetical is now 1.4 million more or around 55.5 million. Bonuses have to be accounted for in the cap. Yes, but starting again next season you can exceed the cap by the amount of the bonuses. And many of the bonuses are pretty much unattainable (it would be pretty freaking remarkable for Price to earn $850k of his bonuses, let alone the full $1.35M now that the rookie qualifiers are out) so it isn't hazardous to use a smaller figure than the official "cap hit" with bonuses included. I'll take the cap hit the following season if Price wins a major trophy, and/or finishes top 5 for the vezina, hart or jennings, or top 5 in GAA, sv% or wins, or better than median in sv% or GAA or ... keeping in mind he'd have to do multiple of these things to earn the full bonus amount. We don't really know what he earned, but the only bonuses Price was even capable of earning this season was for having 1800 Minutes Played, 20+ wins and being selected for the All-Star Game team. And only those if they were among the maximum 4 of 8 options written into his contract (ASG selection was likely not on that list, the others may have been). This season he earned a maximum of $627.5k in bonuses and more likely at most $415k Likewise, Sergei Kostitsyn is highly unlikely to earn all of his bonus money (a more paltry $265k next season) without having a significant breakout season seeing as how SK earned $0 in bonuses this season. The season prior he also earned $0 in bonuses. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 18, 2009 6:45:16 GMT -5
A few days ago, the Philadelphia Inquierer apparently let out a news that Briere was offered to the HABS and the Kings and got turned down in both cases.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 18, 2009 9:35:31 GMT -5
A few days ago, the Philadelphia Inquierer apparently let out a news that Briere was offered to the HABS and the Kings and got turned down in both cases. Philly clearly wants to get out of that contract and nobody else wants it. I would agree. I liked the idea of getting Briere a few years back but he was coming off a career year and he always struck me as simply one of the best guys who happened to be available that year, and not a franchise guy that you want to pay and build a team around. A big difference. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 18, 2009 16:26:48 GMT -5
A few days ago, the Philadelphia Inquierer apparently let out a news that Briere was offered to the HABS and the Kings and got turned down in both cases. *whew* .... one point for Gainey |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 18, 2009 17:14:03 GMT -5
A few days ago, the Philadelphia Inquierer apparently let out a news that Briere was offered to the HABS and the Kings and got turned down in both cases. *whew* .... one point for Gainey Maybe a half point since Gainey offered him more than Philly did.  If Gainey offers RFA Kessel a bundle, Boston may have to trade Ryder to free up cap space. Ryder back in Montreal. ;D Ryder back in the press box??  |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 25, 2009 12:16:22 GMT -5
A few days ago, the Philadelphia Inquierer apparently let out a news that Briere was offered to the HABS and the Kings and got turned down in both cases. *whew* .... one point for Gainey ...but Briere's agent denies having been approach to lift his client's NTC... ...Somehow I still see Philly with their cap problems and solid center depth as a natural trading partner... The opportunity to get good players for a low trade price is definitely there... Jeff Carter has a been huge disapointment in the recent playoffs while Giroux appears like a capable (and cheap) replacement for them... |
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Post by jkr on Jun 25, 2009 17:10:02 GMT -5
*whew* .... one point for Gainey ...but Briere's agent denies having been approach to lift his client's NTC... . Maybe Holmgren is looking for a trading partner first before asking Briere to waive the NTC. |
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