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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 20, 2009 20:11:20 GMT -5
I don't know ... something tells me there's more than a few Trekkies out there.
The original series had an impact on me. It came on once a week and we never tried to miss an episode. I have a few older episodes on VHS:
* A Balance of Terror: I read later that this episode was actually based on the war movie, "The Enemy Below." Easily my favourite episode.
* The Enterprise Incident: Where Kirk has his ears bobbed to resemble a Romulan so he can board the alien vessel to steal a clocking devise. Spoke plays a big role in it as well, where he comes off as a traitor.
* Mirror, Mirror: Like Spock with a beard. Two parallel universes; one brutal, one the way we know it as. Excellent show. I read somewhere that this episode won some sience fiction award.
* The Omega Glory: A good storyline until the ending. Possibly one of the most melodramatic scenes I've seen Shatner do. But, I do like the story; the Comms vrs the Yangs.
* Plato's Stepchildren: A Eutopia in the middle of space. I think it was the first interacial kiss to be aired on TV (have to verify that though).
* Who Morns for Adonis: Stumbling on one of the original Olympian gods.
I didn't watch too many episodes of The Next Generation. However, I mentioned in another thread that I thought the Borg episodes were very well done. Didn't watch Deep Space 9 or Enterprise either.
Cheers.
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Post by MC Habber on May 20, 2009 21:31:01 GMT -5
I really liked TNG and Voyager. The other series I only watched when I had nothing else to do.
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Post by franko on May 20, 2009 22:28:06 GMT -5
Watched TOS . . . enjoyed it second and thrid time around in reruns.
You are right, Dis, about the first TV interracial kiss [though I thought Kirk kissing himself in the movie was a great take].
Can't remember episode names, but thought the "Grumps" episode was interesting.
And I thought Galaxy Quest was a great commentary too.
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Post by CrocRob on May 20, 2009 23:53:38 GMT -5
I'm too young for the original series, and starting to watch it now is difficult. The acting is bad, the camera work is irritating, the writing repetitive and it's just frustrating to watch. It just looks and feels "campy". Kind of like if someone started out watching Seinfeld right now, they'd be hard pressed to get into it.
I watched a bit of TNG, and thought the period where the two shows on the air were Voyager (an adventure series where there was little ongoing plot against the same enemies) and DS9 (where it was static and completely involved plot against the same foes) created an excellent balance. I really enjoyed Voyager, and it took a while to get into it but once I did DS9 was my favourite Star Trek show. Enterprise was just fail.
I wouldn't consider myself a Trekkie, but I've seen more than my fair share of episodes, including all the movies.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2009 5:36:13 GMT -5
Watched TOS . . . enjoyed it second and thrid time around in reruns. You are right, Dis, about the first TV interracial kiss [though I thought Kirk kissing himself in the movie was a great take]. Can't remember episode names, but thought the "Grumps" episode was interesting. And I thought Galaxy Quest was a great commentary too. The kids who stayed young for centuries until they hit peuberty when a virus is released inside of each of them, which eventually kills them. I think it was called "Miri." Michael J Pollard and Kim Darby played teenagers in that episode too. Never saw too much of Darby that I can remember, but Pollard seemed to pop up every now and then. Cheers. |
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Post by Polarice on May 21, 2009 5:45:53 GMT -5
I'm a big time Trekkie, own every movie, every show, including original series, The Next Generation, Voyager, Deep Space Nine, even have the old Star trek cartoons on VHS.
Right now I started to buy the orignal TV series on Blu Ray, Going to the theater tonight to see the new movie...looking forward to the prequel, read some novels on what this movie is based on and are looking forward to see how they put it all together.
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Post by franko on May 21, 2009 5:47:46 GMT -5
I remember Darby from True Grit and Teen Wolf [after a look-up on IMDB] 2 . . . pretty uninspiring careeer, though lots on the resume.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2009 6:03:30 GMT -5
I had to look up Darby as well, but I remembered her in "The War Wagon" one of those darn John Wayne movies, as soon as you said it, Franko.
Another episode I like is "Bread and Circusses" where the Enterprise stumbles onto a planet modeled after anceint Rome. The word of "the Son of God" is only reaching that part of the galaxy around the time the Enterprise finds the planet.
There was also an episode where a planet is modeled after Nazi Germany, but I can't remember the name of it.
Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on May 21, 2009 6:37:04 GMT -5
There was also an episode where a planet is modeled after Nazi Germany, but I can't remember the name of it. Cheers. I believe this was called The City on the Edge of Forever. EDIT: (no after checking this is the episode where they must let Edith Keeler's get run over by a car or her pacifist movement will start and allow Germany to win World War II) The episode you refer to is called Patterns of ForceObviously I am a big time Trekkie. I was one of those kids growing up that knew all the trivia to Star Trek (original series) and Star Wars. I never got into Enterprise (only saw the pilot) and I didn't like the 2 or 3 episodes of Voyager I saw. (I just couldn't get past that hologram doctor) I enjoy Deep Space 9, but haven't seen many episodes, and got into The Next Generation later than most because I refused to give it a chance, but when I did I admit I liked it. "... a dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars. (James Tiberius Kirk - Whom Gods Destroy)Another interesting factoid, is that Rodenberry supposedly named his captain James Kirk to pay hommage to another famous explorer - James Cook. |
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Post by Skilly on May 21, 2009 6:41:58 GMT -5
Can't remember episode names, but thought the "Grumps" episode was interesting. Do you mean Tribbles? There is an episode called Trouble with Tribbles |
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Post by Polarice on May 21, 2009 6:51:01 GMT -5
There was also an episode where a planet is modeled after Nazi Germany, but I can't remember the name of it. Cheers. I believe this was called The City on the Edge of Forever. EDIT: (no after checking this is the episode where they must let Edith Keeler's get run over by a car or her pacifist movement will start and allow Germany to win World War II) The episode you refer to is called Patterns of ForceObviously I am a big time Trekkie. I was one of those kids growing up that knew all the trivia to Star Trek (original series) and Star Wars. I never got into Enterprise (only saw the pilot) and I didn't like the 2 or 3 episodes of Voyager I saw. (I just couldn't get past that hologram doctor) I enjoy Deep Space 9, but haven't seen many episodes, and got into The Next Generation later than most because I refused to give it a chance, but when I did I admit I liked it. "... a dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars. (James Tiberius Kirk - Whom Gods Destroy)Another interesting factoid, is that Rodenberry supposedly named his captain James Kirk to pay hommage to another famous explorer - James Cook. Enterprise was pretty good...I never bought the box set yet...to be honest I never seen it around the stores yet. I'll wait now until it comes out on Blu Ray. I found it pretty dark compared to the others. |
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Post by Skilly on May 21, 2009 6:52:14 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I think my favourite episode is where Kirk is sent down to a planet unarmed with an alien and he must defeat him. They are told all they need is on the planet and Kirk finds sulphur and mixes together some gunpowder .... it is called Arena.
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Post by Polarice on May 21, 2009 6:57:56 GMT -5
Some of my favs are Wolf in the fold, which is a story about Jack the Ripper and A piece of the action, and thats where they go to a planet run by 50's style mob bosses.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2009 7:06:27 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I think my favourite episode is where Kirk is sent down to a planet unarmed with an alien and he must defeat him. They are told all they need is on the planet and Kirk finds sulphur and mixes together some gunpowder .... it is called Arena. I like this one, because of the ending. Kirk shows Mercy to the alien who would have killed him in turn. Some of my favs are Wolf in the fold, which is a story about Jack the Ripper and A piece of the action, and thats where they go to a planet run by 50's style mob bosses. I like "A Piece of the Action" because it was a fun episode ... There was another episode that dealth with the prejudices of being black and white; one race was black on one side, the other white on the same side. This one was called, "Let this be your last Battlefield." It points out how petty the differences are between black and white. Frank Gorshen (sp?) and another actor (too lazy to look him up) who I saw on "Cool Hand Luke" were the main characters in the show. Cheers. |
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Post by Roggy on May 21, 2009 8:58:57 GMT -5
I used to be a big time Trekkie, I was about 8 when TNG started but got into it later on. I'm a huge fan of DS9, a complete departure from "Star Trek - Going where no man has gone before" to be a political, cultural drama, character driven, just happened to be based in the Star Trek universe.
Was never the biggest fan of Voyager or Enterprise, but both had their moments.
Dis, the original Mirror, Mirror episode spawned a whole other universe within Star Trek, DS9 had quite a few episodes based on that brutal universe as well as Enterprise.
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Post by franko on May 21, 2009 9:29:46 GMT -5
Can't remember episode names, but thought the "Grumps" episode was interesting. Do you mean Tribbles? There is an episode called Trouble with TribblesNope, Dis nailed it . . . and iirc the kids were afraid of "Grups" [grownups] not "Grumps". |
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Post by franko on May 21, 2009 9:35:53 GMT -5
No one's favourite episode was "The Squire of Gothos" "starring" Liberace? [one of my least favourites, actually].
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2009 9:48:35 GMT -5
I used to be a big time Trekkie, I was about 8 when TNG started but got into it later on. I'm a huge fan of DS9, a complete departure from "Star Trek - Going where no man has gone before" to be a political, cultural drama, character driven, just happened to be based in the Star Trek universe. Was never the biggest fan of Voyager or Enterprise, but both had their moments. Dis, the original Mirror, Mirror episode spawned a whole other universe within Star Trek, DS9 had quite a few episodes based on that brutal universe as well as Enterprise. Mrs Dis was more into the spinoffs than I was. She didn't mind DS9. I think she liked Voyageur because of the female captain (no offense but she simply didn't sell the part well enough for me). TNG had quite a few good episodes. I have a buddy who said he felt it was one of the best shows ever made for TV. I didn't watch enough of it to give an opinion like that really. I did, however, go out an buy the VHS box set that dealt with the Borg. I enjoyed every episode, and the movie for that matter, that featured the Borg. There was one other show I remember though; a very healthy planet where everyone glows of impecable health; all wearing white and jogging everywhere they went ... then young Wesley commits a crime and his penalty is death. Can't remember what happened after that. What was that episode where the renegade Federation captain was taking the fight to the Romulans? On the surface he was dead wrong and Picard had no choice but to make the politically correct decision; arrest him. However, near the end we see that Picard is not convinced of the Romulans' innocence either. Another episode, possibly one of the best I saw in that series, was when Picard is taken by the Romulans (or Klingons?) and is tortured. The head bad guy is played by one of my favourite actors, David Warner (Cross of Iron). They humiliate Picard, strip him down, make him wear a burlap sack and starve him. "Tell me ... how many lights do you see?" (in that very controlled English accent) Gives me the heeby-geebies even as I say it. Excellent episode. Cheers. |
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Post by duster on May 21, 2009 11:26:54 GMT -5
What was that episode where the renegade Federation captain was taking the fight to the Romulans? On the surface he was dead wrong and Picard had no choice but to make the politically correct decision; arrest him. However, near the end we see that Picard is not convinced of the Romulans' innocence either. They were Cardassian. I prefer the original series and TNG. "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "City on the Edge of Forever" are terrific episodes. The episode where the Enterprise first encounters the Romulans is a good one as well. The scripts in TNG were much better and so was the acting. Casting a classically trained actor like Patrick Stewart as Picard was an inspired choice, imo. My favourites include "Inner Light", "Yesterday's Enterprise" and the episode where the Enterprise first encounters the Borg. I was not a fan of DS9 or Enterprise. The scripts were weak and got away from Gene Roddenberry's vision. |
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Post by The New Guy on May 21, 2009 11:36:28 GMT -5
I am a Trekker and have been since high school, when I first started watching TNG. From there it spread out - TOS was first, then DS9. Voyager never really caught my fancy, nor did Enterprise (both came out when I had reduced access to cable programming, and so I never really got into the groove of watching them).
TNG was by far the one I enjoyed most. As I've said elsewhere I'll not go so far as to say it is better than TOS, but it was more relevant to me. The moral plays carried more weight because they were written for the era that I lived in. DS9 - especially during the later years (the Dominion War) was also very good at this.
Dis gives two great examples of this - "Justice" and "Chains of Command" (a two parter). Chains of Command - one of the best TNG episodes and possibly one of the best television episodes ever - echoes the torture scenes in 1984. That Gul Madred believes so strongly in what he is doing, that he brings his daughter into the interrogation (yes - I'm spoiling a bit, and I apologize. But you should still see it if you haven't - especially part II). Patrick Stewart actually reviewed Amnesty International tapes to learn how to play the role in those scenes. Yeah it gives me the creeps too Dis. It should give every one of us the creeps.
Other favorite episodes include "The Best of Both Worlds" (two-parter involving the Borg and Locutus), "Ethics" (Worf suffers a severe injury), "Tapestry" (Picard, Q and the nature of life), "Darmok" (a reimagining of "Arena" from TOS), "The Measure of a Man" (all about Data). There's also a couple episodes whose names I don't remeber - when Picard lives the life of a man who's long dead (through a probe of some sort) (EDIT: Thanks to duster - it's "Inner Light") and the one with Hugh the Borg ("I, Borg" maybe?)
Those are all serious ones though. The show was rarely as good went it played with lighter topics. It was still entertaining, but those just don't stick in your mind. "The Naked Now" is the only one that comes directly to mind. And "Relics" (Scotty...) which frankly was better in it novelized form than on TV.
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Post by franko on May 21, 2009 11:53:43 GMT -5
I'm sure I've recommended it a dozen times or so, but read [buy!] All I really need to know I learned from watching Star Trek. by Dave Marinaccio.
Brilliant.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2009 13:22:20 GMT -5
Dis gives two great examples of this - "Justice" and "Chains of Command" (a two parter). Chains of Command - one of the best TNG episodes and possibly one of the best television episodes ever - echoes the torture scenes in 1984. That Gul Madred believes so strongly in what he is doing, that he brings his daughter into the interrogation (yes - I'm spoiling a bit, and I apologize. But you should still see it if you haven't - especially part II). Patrick Stewart actually reviewed Amnesty International tapes to learn how to play the role in those scenes. Yeah it gives me the creeps too Dis. It should give every one of us the creeps. I forgot about the little girl. Very powerful scene as was seeing Picard eat a 'live egg.' The ending is powerful and absolutely brilliant ... ultimately we see the price for Picard's victory "I ... SEE ... FOUR LIGHTS!"SOB! Seeing the tear come out of soon-not-to-be-Picard just before the assimliation process was an extremely powerful scene. The title says it all ... "I, Borg" Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2009 13:27:59 GMT -5
What was that episode where the renegade Federation captain was taking the fight to the Romulans? On the surface he was dead wrong and Picard had no choice but to make the politically correct decision; arrest him. However, near the end we see that Picard is not convinced of the Romulans' innocence either. They were Cardassian. I prefer the original series and TNG. "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "City on the Edge of Forever" are terrific episodes. The episode where the Enterprise first encounters the Romulans is a good one as well. The scripts in TNG were much better and so was the acting. Casting a classically trained actor like Patrick Stewart as Picard was an inspired choice, imo. My favourites include "Inner Light", "Yesterday's Enterprise" and the episode where the Enterprise first encounters the Borg. I was not a fan of DS9 or Enterprise. The scripts were weak and got away from Gene Roddenberry's vision. Thanks duster. There was an episode, I think in TNG, where a young Bajoran takes risks her life in order to get to the Bajoran resistance (is that right?). However, she has to pose as the prisoner of a Cardassian, in a Cardassian space ship, if in the event she is captured. The crew never see her again and word gets back that the ship she was in was indeed boarded in Cardassian space. They also find out she's tourtered and killed. A sad episode. Cheers. |
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Post by The New Guy on May 21, 2009 14:23:49 GMT -5
I forgot about the little girl. Very powerful scene as was seeing Picard eat a 'live egg.' The ending is powerful and absolutely brilliant ... ultimately we see the price for Picard's victory "I ... SEE ... FOUR LIGHTS!"SOB! Very Orwellian. Most TNG episodes ended on a semi-positive note. This one, I think, did not. I always liked "I, Borg" because of how it presents how we treat our enemies. It also shows flaws in Picard's near perfect exterior, some things which give him great depth and reappear much later in much more dramatic fashion. I don't recall the tear scene - I think you might be confusing it with "The Best of Both Worlds" (where Picard becomes Locutus) - but indeed the Borg are to Picard what the Klingons were to Kirk, only perhaps moreso. If you though the scenes from "Chains" were powerful try to find yourself a recording of "Measure of a Man". The speech Picard/Stewart delivers in the closing of this episode is one of his best performances ever. And for an actor of Stewart's caliber, that's saying something (or perhaps that's why it's so moving - what do I know). I don't want to spoil too much - but if you're looking for an episode that'd be one I'd suggest. |
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Post by habernac on May 21, 2009 14:25:46 GMT -5
TNG is my favourite, always found the OS a little slow. The movies are great, tho.
Dis, where in Alberta are you?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2009 14:34:51 GMT -5
TNG is my favourite, always found the OS a little slow. The movies are great, tho. Dis, where in Alberta are you? I'm flying out to Edmonton tomorrow and driving to the training area in Wainwright when I land. I'm flying of Edmonton on the 30th but I'm hoping to be back in the city for the night of the 29th; depends on how training goes. Cheers. |
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Post by habernac on May 21, 2009 15:05:35 GMT -5
ah, too bad it wasn't Calgary, I'd invite you over for a beer.
Deep Space 9 is a series I need to see more of. My wife got me into Voyager, it wasn't too bad. I want to watch some more of Enterprise as well, I'm a Scott Bacula fan.
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Post by Polarice on May 22, 2009 5:23:35 GMT -5
Went and finally saw the new Star Trek with my brother!! It was a great movie, a must see for TOS fans out there. The new characters were very believable as the young versions of the original cast. What I most enjoyed was how they stayed with the format that made TOS popular and that was having action and comedy all rolled into one. I won't go into the movie and spoil it for anyone.
One of my favorite Star Trek shows is DS9, after the first season the show really picks up speed, the special effects are movie quality, the writing is good where you really start to care about the characters. Also after the second season, it pretty much turns into a soap opera where as all the shows continue off each other...in other words you miss one or two episodes you can get lost.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 24, 2009 22:25:02 GMT -5
Another one I enjoyed was "Assignment Earth." It features a very young Teri Garr.
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