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Post by CentreHice on May 23, 2009 18:39:04 GMT -5
Performers eligible 25 years after first record is released. Glad to see Jeff Beck get the nod this year. LISTOff the top of my head, I can't figure out why these 5 bands haven't been inducted yet. 1. "Alice Cooper". Rock icon. Pioneer of theatre rock. 2. "Grand Funk Railroad". Sold over 25 million albums with 19 charted singles, eight Top 40 hits, and two #1 singles. 12 gold records, 10 of which went platinum. Their first manger, Terry Knight, alienated the press. Perhaps that's why the reluctance. 3. "Yes". Could there be a more talented group? Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, Bill Bruford, Jon Anderson. 4. "Emerson, Lake, and Palmer". 5. "Supertramp". Any others you can think of who are overdue? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 23, 2009 19:07:01 GMT -5
Right on CH. I had to take a second look at the criteria:
One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame.
I wonder just how much back-bench politics plays in the selection process. IMO, Jethro Tull should be on this list. Ian Anderson and the group had an original approach to their music that no other group has even tried to duplicate today. To me there can only be one, Jethro Tull and they significantly contributed to the evolution of rock.
Cheers
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Post by CentreHice on May 23, 2009 19:26:10 GMT -5
Good call on "Tull", Dis. No question they should be in.
"Deep Purple" isn't there either. They had a huge effect on budding musicians and vocalists.
Glad to see "Black Sabbath" in there. But there's another reason Grand Funk should be in. Sabbath's first U.S. gig was opening for GFR in 1971. Many artists credit both of those bands for pioneering the heavy metal genre.
I'm on the fence concerning "KISS" (debut album, 1974). They aren't in....but one could argue they had a huge influence on glam rock and live concerts in terms of staging, lighting, and pyrotechnics. Their music was basic, but a lot of kids took up guitar and drums because of them. Did they influence a genre of rock enough musically? I don't think so.
Could one argue for "Steppenwolf" or "The Guess Who" or "The Moody Blues"?
I'm sure most of these bands will be inducted some day....I'm just surprised some of them aren't yet.
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Post by CrocRob on May 24, 2009 0:08:34 GMT -5
Alice Cooper and KISS are in the same boat. Neither were particularly innovative in their music but both set the stage for what would become the great rock shows.
It's pretty crazy to think that a few of my favourite bands when I was growing up aren't very far from that 25 year criteria. Heck Trent Reznor/Nine Inch Nails is eligible in 2013.
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Post by CentreHice on May 24, 2009 8:12:57 GMT -5
And it's only a matter of time before "RUSH" is inducted. A huge influence on generations of rock musicians around the world.
Debut album 1974. Eligible 1999.
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Interesting that McCartney, Lennon, and Harrison are all in as individuals...but Ringo is not. I guess his solo career doesn't stand out enough, and he obvioulsy wasn't the singer/songwriter the other three were/are. Seems a bit of a slight though.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 24, 2009 9:53:00 GMT -5
And it's only a matter of time before "RUSH" is inducted. A huge influence on generations of rock musicians around the world. Debut album 1974. Eligible 1999. ======================================== Interesting that McCartney, Lennon, and Harrison are all in as individuals...but Ringo is not. I guess his solo career doesn't stand out enough, and he obvioulsy wasn't the singer/songwriter the other three were/are. Seems a bit of a slight though. The thing about Rush is, they made it big at a time when music like theirs was big. I read somewhere that they played 50 of 52 weeks of the year in a lot of music houses, pubs and the like. This doesn't have anything to do with their HOF selection, but they're contributions to charities can't be overlooked either. I had no idea how much they did until they were awared the Order of Canada for their efforts. I took an interest in finding out what they did afterwards and it was impressive. Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 24, 2009 10:13:06 GMT -5
Dis, I'm searching in my head for bands (especially power trios) at that time who were playing that kind of rock. I can't think of any. When they hit the market they had a unique sound and brand....and especially when Peart joined them for their second album, "Fly By Night" in '75. I had never heard various time signatures and intricate arrangements in hard rock before they came on the scene. Like Tull and Yes, I think they stand alone. And I'm not even a huge Rush fan.
Another stand alone band is "Gentle Giant" (debut album, 1970). Described best as "baroque 'n roll". I had skipped over their albums in the record bins during my teens. I just started listening to them about 5 years ago. I was blown away by their multi-instrumentation and arranging skills. Check out their 4th album "Octopus" as an example of some of their best work. Jazz, classical, progressive rock....medieval sounding.
They were booed off the stage many times when opening for Black Sabbath. One of the oddest pairings since Jimi Hendrix opened for The Monkees.
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Post by clear observer on May 24, 2009 10:39:07 GMT -5
Dis, I'm searching in my head for bands (especially power trios) at that time who were playing that kind of rock. Hmmm....off the top of my (severely hungover) head....Triumph? |
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Post by clear observer on May 24, 2009 10:41:04 GMT -5
Is "Bread" in?
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Post by CentreHice on May 24, 2009 11:01:47 GMT -5
Dis, I'm searching in my head for bands (especially power trios) at that time who were playing that kind of rock. Hmmm....off the top of my (severely hungover) head....Triumph? Triumph began after Rush. "Fly By Night" was already on the air and Triumph was just starting to play high schools. Rik Emmett's a great player. Rush and Triumph took different musical paths, IMO. Cousins....not brothers. |
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Post by franko on May 24, 2009 12:50:43 GMT -5
Nothing like a good laugh on a Sunday afternoon. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 24, 2009 14:25:38 GMT -5
Since they have folk singer-songwriters inducted as well....James Taylor, Dylan, Woody Guthrie.....is it too much of a stretch to induct John Denver, Jim Croce, and Harry Chapin as well?
Superb talents.
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Post by clear observer on May 24, 2009 15:17:19 GMT -5
Nothing like a good laugh on a Sunday afternoon. You think I'm funny? Funny, how? Like a clown.....I amuse you? |
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Post by franko on May 24, 2009 15:44:50 GMT -5
what, you think all four major food groups should be in?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 24, 2009 15:49:44 GMT -5
Dis, I'm searching in my head for bands (especially power trios) at that time who were playing that kind of rock. I can't think of any. When they hit the market they had a unique sound and brand....and especially when Peart joined them for their second album, "Fly By Night" in '75. I had never heard various time signatures and intricate arrangements in hard rock before they came on the scene. Like Tull and Yes, I think they stand alone. And I'm not even a huge Rush fan. Another stand alone band is "Gentle Giant" (debut album, 1970). Described best as "baroque 'n roll". I had skipped over their albums in the record bins during my teens. I just started listening to them about 5 years ago. I was blown away by their multi-instrumentation and arranging skills. Check out their 4th album "Octopus" as an example of some of their best work. Jazz, classical, progressive rock....medieval sounding. They were booed off the stage many times when opening for Black Sabbath. One of the oddest pairings since Jimi Hendrix opened for The Monkees. Man, I really am running out of time these days ... buuuuuut .... what the heck. Another band we've talked about very briefly in the past was "Focus." I had three of their albums that went under water in our flood last year. Forgive the spelling but the original members of that band were: Jan Akkerman, Bert Ruiter, This Van Leer and Peer Van der Linden. Many know the band for their hit single "Hocus Pocus" but like Warren Zenon (one of BC's past references) who was known for "werewolf in London", they had a number of excellent pieces of music. One album I almost wore out was "Dutch Masters." It was a collection of their best music (though IMO they could have reviewed that too).  They had a number of excellent pieces but they really never caught on in North America. I think at the time Black Sabbath was also making their mark as were a number of other bands. Incidentally, about six Black Sabbath albums went under in the flood as well. I haven't thrown anything out as yet either. That said, Focus remains one of the favourite bands while I was growing up. Very positive triggers with their music. Franko/CH, if you haven't heard these guys I'm positive you'd enjoy their music. Very different; very European for the time (or so I think). Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 24, 2009 16:20:37 GMT -5
As a young drummer, I enjoyed "Hocus Pocus" immensely. Great drum breaks. Akkerman really got to let loose on guitar as well. Fantastic player. Van Leer's yodeling, whistling, and Popeye-type gibberish made it more of a novelty song to me in the long run. Talented dude, though.
I also remember a song called by them called "Harem Scarem".
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Post by Skilly on May 24, 2009 21:38:49 GMT -5
Def Leppard
Iron Maiden
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Post by CentreHice on May 24, 2009 23:04:53 GMT -5
In the same vein....Judas Priest, debut album 1974. All have huge followings. Could bands like these have influenced Metallica? Debut album 1983. Inducted this year. HOF didn't wait long for them, did they? Best-selling thrash metal band of all-time. ====================================== On another note, Bob Seger is inducted. Signature voice and prolific songwriting....but I don't think he took rock anywhere really special. Basic RnR, R&B, and ballads. Like John (Cougar) Mellencamp...who is also inducted. But they both have sold a lot of pickup trucks. Maybe that's it!  I really don't have a strong argument as to why they shouldn't be in there. It's just that in terms of influence...I'm not sold. Maybe because I found their music a little boring. Like Al Stewart's "Year of the Cat". Yikes. Ah, music (like all art) is totally subjective. Another group I have no time for (and I'll likely get hate mail) is "The Band". I appreciate their history and accomplishments, but I found them very boring...as I did "The Grateful Dead". ========================================= Any thoughts about "Dire Straits"? Had a new sound with that first album, 1978. |
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Post by Polarice on May 25, 2009 5:59:12 GMT -5
Not a huge KISS fan but I found it funny that the second largest band in record sales ever isn't in the Hall. The only ban to sell more albums than Kiss is the Beatles.
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2009 9:24:22 GMT -5
Not a huge KISS fan but I found it funny that the second largest band in record sales ever isn't in the Hall. The only ban to sell more albums than Kiss is the Beatles. Yep....record sales play a huge role in selection. I find it hard to believe that Blondie has been inducted before pretty much any of the bands mentioned here. From the RRHOF's rationale for inducting Blondie: Someone forgot to tell Blondie that New Wave bands weren’t supposed to have hit records. Blondie broke the Top Forty barrier with the Number One hit “Heart of Glass” in 1979. Their conquest was no minor feat, as it meant overcoming music-industry wariness about punk and New Wave, which challenged the established order.Guess they forgot about The Cars. They were also a New Wave band that had 2 Top Forty hits a year before Blondie's "Heart of Glass" hit the charts. "You're Just What I Needed" (#27) and "My Best Friend's Girl" (#35) in 1978. Using their rationale, The Cars should be in. They're not. |
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Post by CrocRob on May 25, 2009 10:38:59 GMT -5
Not a huge KISS fan but I found it funny that the second largest band in record sales ever isn't in the Hall. The only ban to sell more albums than Kiss is the Beatles. Yep....record sales play a huge role in selection. I find it hard to believe that Blondie has been inducted before pretty much any of the bands mentioned here. From the RRHOF's rationale for inducting Blondie: Someone forgot to tell Blondie that New Wave bands weren’t supposed to have hit records. Blondie broke the Top Forty barrier with the Number One hit “Heart of Glass” in 1979. Their conquest was no minor feat, as it meant overcoming music-industry wariness about punk and New Wave, which challenged the established order.Guess they forgot about The Cars. They were also a New Wave band that had 2 Top Forty hits a year before Blondie's "Heart of Glass" hit the charts. "You're Just What I Needed" (#27) and "My Best Friend's Girl" (#35) in 1978. Using their rationale, The Cars should be in. They're not. Much like HHOF consideration, having better stats/accomplishments than someone else already in the Hall doesn't mean that person/band deserves to be there. That's probably the rationale. And perhaps that Blondie had five #1 singles before The Cars had one (actually before The Cars even had a top 10 single). Blondie also had a top 40 hit before "Heart of Glass" went #1. "Dreaming" in 1978 hit #27, matching The Cars' "Just What I Needed". I truthfully don't really care for The Cars, but they weren't nearly as prolific as Blondie and didn't become prevalent in the singles charts until Blondie actually broke up. I'm no Rock and Roll scholar, but I wonder if having a lead female vocalist in the genre helped them as well. Shirley Manson (who sings/sang for Garbage, a band with a bunch of success and clearly took influence from Blondie) gave Blondie's RRHOF introductory speech. |
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Post by clear observer on May 25, 2009 10:40:54 GMT -5
Boston, Meatloaf, E.L.O. , anyone?
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Post by Polarice on May 25, 2009 12:29:05 GMT -5
Boston, Meatloaf, E.L.O. , anyone? Meatloaf for sure!! |
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2009 13:42:51 GMT -5
Blondie also had a top 40 hit before "Heart of Glass" went #1. "Dreaming" in 1978 hit #27, matching The Cars' "Just What I Needed". Good pickup, RS. RRHOF missed that one too, apparently, as their write-up indicates. No doubt. (pun intended) |
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2009 13:48:28 GMT -5
A huge empty space: Chicago.
Others in the big horn genre of the time: Blood, Sweat, and Tears; Lighthouse.
Sly and the Family Stone had the trumpet and sax....and they're already in. Deservedly so.
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Post by habernac on May 25, 2009 14:50:10 GMT -5
In the same vein....Judas Priest, debut album 1974. All have huge followings. Could bands like these have influenced Metallica? Debut album 1983. Inducted this year. HOF didn't wait long for them, did they? Best-selling thrash metal band of all-time. ====================================== On another note, Bob Seger is inducted. Signature voice and prolific songwriting....but I don't think he took rock anywhere really special. Basic RnR, R&B, and ballads. Like John (Cougar) Mellencamp...who is also inducted. But they both have sold a lot of pickup trucks. Maybe that's it! I really don't have a strong argument as to why they shouldn't be in there. It's just that in terms of influence...I'm not sold. Maybe because I found their music a little boring. Like Al Stewart's "Year of the Cat". Yikes. Ah, music (like all art) is totally subjective. Another group I have no time for (and I'll likely get hate mail) is "The Band". I appreciate their history and accomplishments, but I found them very boring...as I did "The Grateful Dead". ========================================= Any thoughts about "Dire Straits"? Had a new sound with that first album, 1978. Motorhead. Seriously. One of the hardest toruing bands in the world. It's amazing Lemmy is even alive after all of his exploits. They're much more than just "The Ace of Spades". I was very happy to see Sabbath get in. And it's a joke that Rush isn't in there yet. Agreed with the "Grateful Dead is boring" opinion. Do you have to be a burnout to understand their stuff? |
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Post by habernac on May 25, 2009 14:51:08 GMT -5
and Madonna in the Hall? Huh? It's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not the crappy pop hall of fame.
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Post by franko on May 25, 2009 15:27:15 GMT -5
And it's a joke that Rush isn't in there yet. country of origin? |
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Post by CrocRob on May 25, 2009 15:38:57 GMT -5
and Madonna in the Hall? Huh? It's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not the crappy pop hall of fame. For a long time the RRHOF has been the Music Industry Hall of Fame. That's why Ray Charles, Michael Jackson, Sly Cooper and the Family Stone, John Mellancamp and now Madonna are in it. It's also why Paul Shaffer is on the selector's boards. And it's not like this is a true Hall of Fame. It's a privately owned organization with no accountability. They can do what they want. Whether you liked her or not, it's hard to argue that Madonna wasn't an innovator and didn't have any influence on music. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2009 16:10:53 GMT -5
and Madonna in the Hall? Huh? It's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not the crappy pop hall of fame. For a long time the RRHOF has been the Music Industry Hall of Fame. That's why Ray Charles, Michael Jackson, Sly Cooper and the Family Stone, John Mellancamp and now Madonna are in it. It's also why Paul Shaffer is on the selector's boards. And it's not like this is a true Hall of Fame. It's a privately owned organization with no accountability. They can do what they want. Whether you liked her or not, it's hard to argue that Madonna wasn't an innovator and didn't have any influence on music. Yep....Madonna was/is a worldwide phenom....re-inventing her image/style over the years with great success. Quite a "body" of work. Now, if The Spice Girls get in, I'll be angry. |
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