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Post by CentreHice on Nov 3, 2003 16:51:14 GMT -5
Savard got the skill and skating, now Gainey will bring in size. That's all well and good...but Gainey better TRADE for size...because we've been waiting 8 years for this rebuilding process....and I, quite frankly, am losing huge interest in this team that gets tossed around like rag dolls by bigger teams, and that seems reluctant to muck it up against the others. By the looks of the scouting report of HA...it's gonna take another 5 years we come up with forward size on the Habs (through draft only). Then they'll have to "get a few seasons under their belts" to mature in the NHL. Yikes...that's another 8 years of this kind of play, through draft alone. Bob's gotta draft AND trade for size....and the trades begin soon. |
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Post by Thomas on Nov 3, 2003 17:54:01 GMT -5
This board seems to be under a panic as of late. The Habs got off to a stronger start then they should have and sky rocketed our expectations. They are now meeting what we had expected them to do before the season started, but they got our hopes up already.
The Bulldogs are one of the youngest teams in the AHL. The only veteran presence they really have is Gratton. The rest our young prospects who have been in the AHL for 2 years or less. Playing 3 games in 2 1/2 days will eventually catch up to them, especially when they dont have the leadership and experience to get them back into the game. Being a very young team, and a new team since last season, they will take time to develop chemistry, and until that happens, the team as a whole will look bad. Jarvis will set the straight, but it wont happen over night. They are down there to learn, and the only way you learn is by making mistakes. Considering the amount of mistakes they made in that last game, Jarvis will spend a lot of time one on one with his players telling them what they need to work on and what they are doing wrong.
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Post by legaspesien on Nov 3, 2003 19:06:45 GMT -5
The only veteran presence they really have is Gratton. Dwyer Dhykuis Traverse Blouin |
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Post by Thomas on Nov 3, 2003 19:10:35 GMT -5
Dwyer Dhykuis Traverse Blouin I'm sure they are great in the dressing room...  They think they are NHL material and probably dont help very much. They dont seem to be very vocal leaders, besides Gordie maybe, and surely dont lead the team on the ice. |
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Post by montreal on Nov 4, 2003 0:19:55 GMT -5
Here's what I saw over a 3 game period from all the Dogs. I'll be doing a game by game report for HF later, but here are some quick comments on everyone.
Fichaud- played in 2 of the 3 games. Didn't play great in the first one, but looked better in the 2nd game. Played in back to back games, which seemed strange.
Damphousse- played in one game, and looked bad. 2 goals of the 4 were scored on the first shift, and the 1st goal he might not have been settled. Must play better then that though. 1 goal was totaly not his fault, and another went off a skate and in, but the other two, he needs to stop.
Komisarek- tough one. He played good, bad and in between. He took a few dumb penalities, and even mouthed off to the refs (although it look harmless). He seemed to be rushing his passes on the point, which was giving Beauchemin a hard time, but he was using his body more effectivly. He had a few big hits, and his skating seems even better. His shot from the point was good, but I don't think he took one slapper in 3 games. He's got a cannon but doesn't seem to use it much. I thought he played well for the most part, just had some bad streches.
Dykhuis- is better then Traverse. Doesn't do it for me though. They better buy him out at some point, I pray he's not in Hamilton next year. He should be in the press box with the Habs and Hainsey in Hamilton playing every night. I hate to see Hainsey sit out (I know he's been playing lately) I just don't see much from Dykhuis, but he's clearly better then Traverse.
Traverse- He can't even hit AHLers. He's just too weak, not not sure of what's going on at times. Now that he's paired with Dykhuis, he doesn't even pass anymore, just banks it off the boards. What a waste of space. Could be a future ECHL star though. Had a real tuff time keeping the puck in the offensive zone. You would never have thought this guy played in the NHL.
Homelqvist played one game, looked rusty. Good size and skating though.
Cote- I like this kid! He plays like a rookie, as he seems a bit shaky at times, but he's strong and will hit. To me he had the most hits of any Bulldog. His passing is ok, and his skating isn't great, but it's not bad, and he's got good size. Savard you better keep an eye on him.
Plante- is ok, but nothing great. Average in his own end, decent passes, nothing else that I noticed.
Beauchemin- one guy I really really liked last year, but this year he is struggling. He did have a few good hits, and he makes good passes, but his skill level hasn't progressed, and looks like he's even gone back a step. I don't think he played too bad, but for a guy that was one of the top defensemen in the AHL, if he want's to play in the NHL, he's got to be better. Too many shots of his were blocked and he missed a few guys in his own end causing good shots against.
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Post by montreal on Nov 4, 2003 0:39:26 GMT -5
Plekanec- I really liked what I saw from him. He skates well with good speed, and can get the puck to the open man. He was playing with some fire, and threw a few good checks. Looked solid especially in the Rochester game.
Balej- fast but has the bulid of Ribeiro, IMO. Lacks strength and smarts, IMO. Jarvis uses him on the PK, but he doesn't block the passing lanes with his stick, and he can't strip the puck off someone cause he isn't strong enough. But he's got a good shot and speed to burn. Played well, but he still got work to do. I feared he was taking a step back when he didn't get a sniff of preseason hockey but he seeems to be doing well so far. He's lucky Pleks is on the team though, as Pleks seeems to find him. They work well together.
Perezhogin- Like Komo was good and bad. He scored a great goal, real beauty, and had a few good chances, but at times he didn't back check hard, and on the forecheck he wasn't getting in good positionally. He also avoided being hit often, at the expense of the play which was very disturbing. If he gets stronger though, he has the skills. His skating and speed are impressive. Jarvis used him a good bit, but not much if at all on the PK which I would think he could do better then Balej.
Higgins- Also played good and had a few bad moments. In the rochester game he started off slow, but got it going later. He will shoot the puck, is strong in his own end, has good speed/skating, passes well, and looked good on the PK. You wouldn't have know that he was playing in just his 4th AHL game, as he seems very poised. I don't see how you can not like this kid. Jarvis uses him a lot as well.
Ferland- only played in 1 game. Had a few good hits. Skating is ok, but needs some work along with skating and better balance. Didn't do much on offense, and didn't see a lot of ice time.
Milroy- Didn't do much either, but has played 2 games since last season. He had a nice hit along the boards, and got some PP time, but didn't do much. Skating isn't bad, but he'll need to get stronger. Him and Ferland should have a more important role next year.
Gratton- was disappointing in all 3 games. With all the ice time he gets, he did little. Wasn't hitting much but did well on the PK. Still one of the better vets, he does have good AHL speed, but I'd be surprisde if he makes the NHL.
Dwyer- what a waste. outside of lots of hitting I wonder if he even understands the game. He just doesn't seem to do anything but hit, which he does well.
Blouin- a much bigger waste. Played one game and didn't nothing what so ever. He should give his pay check back.
Kilger- was rusty. Got a lot of heat from the fans for causing a goal against, but to redem himself he did score a good goal. Still from an NHLer he didn't look very good outside the PK.
Dagenais- I didn't care for. He had a few good hits, and shoots the puck, but for such a big guy he is hard to find on the ice. Don't expect to see him in the NHL anytime soon. He didn't even dress in all the games.
Svitov- looked good out there, but lazy at times. He's strong and fiesty, worked well with Perezhogin. I liked his game. Was the last player off the ice during warmups twice.
Somuveri- small, very small, but fast. Nothing great. Gets pushed off the puck easily. NHL? it will be tough for him
Ovelstad- was ok. has good speed and works well with Somu on the PK. Not the best hockey sense.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 4, 2003 1:00:47 GMT -5
Damphousse- played in one game, and looked bad. 2 goals of the 4 were scored on the first shift, and the 1st goal he might not have been settled. Must play better then that though. 1 goal was totaly not his fault, and another went off a skate and in, but the other two, he needs to stop.
Agreed
Komisarek- tough one. He played good, bad and in between. He took a few dumb penalities, and even mouthed off to the refs (although it look harmless). He seemed to be rushing his passes on the point, which was giving Beauchemin a hard time, but he was using his body more effectivly. He had a few big hits, and his skating seems even better. His shot from the point was good, but I don't think he took one slapper in 3 games. He's got a cannon but doesn't seem to use it much. I thought he played well for the most part, just had some bad streches.
I did not see him get burned like last time. In this game, he didn't look as physicaly involved but neiither did he get b*tch slapped. He was probably tired.
Dykhuis- is better then Traverse. Doesn't do it for me though. They better buy him out at some point, I pray he's not in Hamilton next year. He should be in the press box with the Habs and Hainsey in Hamilton playing every night. I hate to see Hainsey sit out (I know he's been playing lately) I just don't see much from Dykhuis, but he's clearly better then Traverse.
He has more experience and it shows in how he handles the situations. Not exactly a fan of his but he is better then Boullion. If someone can light a fire on his butt.....
Traverse- He can't even hit AHLers. He's just too weak, not not sure of what's going on at times. Now that he's paired with Dykhuis, he doesn't even pass anymore, just banks it off the boards. What a waste of space. Could be a future ECHL star though. Had a real tuff time keeping the puck in the offensive zone. You would never have thought this guy played in the NHL.
He just makes me want to cry.......
Beauchemin- one guy I really really liked last year, but this year he is struggling. He did have a few good hits, and he makes good passes, but his skill level hasn't progressed, and looks like he's even gone back a step. I don't think he played too bad, but for a guy that was one of the top defensemen in the AHL, if he want's to play in the NHL, he's got to be better. Too many shots of his were blocked and he missed a few guys in his own end causing good shots against.
I was reading how he was ready over the summer and I couln't figure out if it was the same person that I saw last year. Theere is a chance he will bloom late, very late, around 40 or so.
Plekanec- I really liked what I saw from him. He skates well with good speed, and can get the puck to the open man. He was playing with some fire, and threw a few good checks. Looked solid especially in the Rochester game.
Most ready to move up from this lot.
Balej- fast but has the bulid of Ribeiro, IMO. Lacks strength and smarts, IMO. Jarvis uses him on the PK, but he doesn't block the passing lanes with his stick, and he can't strip the puck off someone cause he isn't strong enough. But he's got a good shot and speed to burn. Played well, but he still got work to do. I feared he was taking a step back when he didn't get a sniff of preseason hockey but he seeems to be doing well so far. He's lucky Pleks is on the team though, as Pleks seeems to find him. They work well together.
I have seen Ribeiro on the ice and in person, Balej is bigger, not by much, but bigger. Yesterday, he used his speed to rub out a couple of guys and he looked bigger then he is. But that was for ONE period and then he became average. At least, that is what I saw.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 4, 2003 1:15:13 GMT -5
Perezhogin- Like Komo was good and bad. He scored a great goal, real beauty, and had a few good chances, but at times he didn't back check hard, and on the forecheck he wasn't getting in good positionally. He also avoided being hit often, at the expense of the play which was very disturbing. If he gets stronger though, he has the skills. His skating and speed are impressive. Jarvis used him a good bit, but not much if at all on the PK which I would think he could do better then Balej.I didn't see "enough" to get excited last night. With all the hype that sourrounded him, I thought I was going to see some Zednik/Hossa(Sens) in the making. Higgins- Also played good and had a few bad moments. In the rochester game he started off slow, but got it going later. He will shoot the puck, is strong in his own end, has good speed/skating, passes well, and looked good on the PK. You wouldn't have know that he was playing in just his 4th AHL game, as he seems very poised. I don't see how you can not like this kid. Jarvis uses him a lot as well.I didn't see that last night. What I noticed of him is that he knows the game and did not make moves that leaves one shaking his head. In fact, he was the started of my "okay, they can play the game but what happens when they all make the NHL as the 5'11" "smurf corps". Milroy- Didn't do much either, but has played 2 games since last season. He had a nice hit along the boards, and got some PP time, but didn't do much. Skating isn't bad, but he'll need to get stronger. Him and Ferland should have a more important role next year.I am not sure what Savard was thinking when he drafted him. He does not have the size and does not look like he is coming the the AHL ready to practice some deadly weapon systems. Like the other Savardian youngsters, he does know the game and he knows what to do with the puck. Gratton- was disappointing in all 3 games. With all the ice time he gets, he did little. Wasn't hitting much but did well on the PK. Still one of the better vets, he does have good AHL speed, but I'd be surprisde if he makes the NHL.Agreed Dwyer- what a waste. outside of lots of hitting I wonder if he even understands the game. He just doesn't seem to do anything but hit, which he does well.Lost on Ice, the Sequell...... There is nothing more enjoyable (:  then watching a guy scratching his head as to what to do next. And then deciding that he might as well hit somebody otherwise someone may question his existence. Silly Savardian acquisition. Blouin- a much bigger waste. Played one game and didn't nothing what so ever. He should give his pay check back.Doesn't he remind you of a grazing animal on ice? I swear, if he was left alone, he would start scraping the ice looking for grass to graze on. No wonder MThead liked him.........and Savard got him? What was he thinking? Dagenais- I didn't care for. He had a few good hits, and shoots the puck, but for such a big guy he is hard to find on the ice. Don't expect to see him in the NHL anytime soon. He didn't even dress in all the games. A 50% Ward immitation. Which is not saying a whole lot. Mind you, I think that he may have some upside if he keeps his mind to what he is supposed to do. Hit and head for the net to receive pain. NHL future? Hard to say if he has any chance. Svitov- looked good out there, but lazy at times. He's strong and fiesty, worked well with Perezhogin. I liked his game. Was the last player off the ice during warmups twice.Would YOU trade Svitov for Hainsey? Somuveri- small, very small, but fast. Nothing great. Gets pushed off the puck easily. NHL? it will be tough for himAn AHL Petrov ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bottom line, we agree on almost everyone except Balej's size and stregnth. Next time I'm bringing a fish scale and measuring string. You hold him, I measure him.....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 4, 2003 4:02:41 GMT -5
That's all well and good...but Gainey better TRADE for size...because we've been waiting 8 years for this rebuilding process....and I, quite frankly, am losing huge interest in this team that gets tossed around like rag dolls by bigger teams, and that seems reluctant to muck it up against the others. By the looks of the scouting report of HA...it's gonna take another 5 years we come up with forward size on the Habs (through draft only). Then they'll have to "get a few seasons under their belts" to mature in the NHL. Yikes...that's another 8 years of this kind of play, through draft alone. Bob's gotta draft AND trade for size....and the trades begin soon. Rebuilding? George "W" Bush is rebuilding Iraq in fewer years than the Hab's revolving 5 year programs. With fewer snags and fewer critics. Our franchise has been decimated after sixty glorious years by Serge Savard and Rejean Houle. It will take time to repair and will never be what it was. Size is always good but it isn't everything. The russians built great teams with short stocky speedy forwards and defenseman who controlled the play with dazzling offensive skills. The Rangers proved that stars don't guarantee success. We need unselfish hard working team players who follow the coaches instructions. Imaginative trades aren't what will return us to greatness. I really like guys like Ribeiro and Locke who work hard and overcome the critics prognostications. I'd rather have Ryder working hard going both ways than Czerkawski or Rucinsky floating at half throttle. |
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Post by blaise on Nov 4, 2003 10:52:10 GMT -5
Rebuilding? George "W" Bush is rebuilding Iraq in fewer years than the Hab's revolving 5 year programs. With fewer snags and fewer critics. Horrendous comparison. You don't read the front pages, watch TV, or pay attention to the polls? You haven't heard about one NGO after another, one embassy after another, pulling out, one GI after another coming home in a box? Please, no more politics, LAHF. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 4, 2003 10:55:08 GMT -5
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Post by montreal on Nov 4, 2003 19:01:58 GMT -5
I see that we agree on a lot. What I meant was his frame, not so much his size. I do think Balej is bigger (not by much) as it looks like Balej is a little heavier and maybe an inch taller (tough to say without them standing back to back) but in looking at him he reminds me how Ribeiro looks. Skinny upper body, skinny arms. But he can skate much much better and his speed is vastly superior to Ribby.
I know that I am going to a game in januray in philly, and I might make another trip to Hamilton after that or PEI I'm not sure yet. Sunday sucked bad. I overslept, didn't make it to the morning skate, so I didn't get any interviews, I got totally soaked in the cold rain (leave it to me not to bring a jacket), I couldn't find any place to convert my money back to American, the game wasn't very good, and the ride home was ruff it was very foggy and raining as I drove through the mountains all night. But the first two games were really good so I'm ready to go again.
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Post by Kareem on Nov 4, 2003 21:53:25 GMT -5
I don't understand these types of comments, when you say he has the skills, what type of skills do you mean? Enough to make it to the NHL or enough to consistently score 25-35?
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Post by montreal on Nov 4, 2003 23:39:46 GMT -5
I don't understand these types of comments, when you say he has the skills, what type of skills do you mean? Enough to make it to the NHL or enough to consistently score 25-35? Balej has NHL skills, but ECHL strength and hockey smarts IMO. If he was stronger he could be in the NHL now. He would be one of the fastest players on the team. His skating is NHL level as well. His shot is NHL level, both wrist and slap. But to me his problem is along the boards, back checking and somewhat passing. He can cover his man but doesn't seem to know how to tie him up, or to angle himself to block passes thus cutting down on the opposing players choices. He's young and should get stronger for sure. This year should be a great learning experince for him. |
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Post by Bob on Nov 5, 2003 8:53:33 GMT -5
Balej has NHL skills, but ECHL strength and hockey smarts IMO. If he was stronger he could be in the NHL now. He would be one of the fastest players on the team. His skating is NHL level as well. His shot is NHL level, both wrist and slap. But to me his problem is along the boards, back checking and somewhat passing. He can cover his man but doesn't seem to know how to tie him up, or to angle himself to block passes thus cutting down on the opposing players choices. It sounds like you are describing Audette except for the skating and shooting part  |
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Post by AH on Nov 5, 2003 11:30:47 GMT -5
I know that I am going to a game in januray in philly, and I might make another trip to Hamilton after that or PEI I'm not sure yet. Sunday sucked bad. I overslept, didn't make it to the morning skate, so I didn't get any interviews, I got totally soaked in the cold rain (leave it to me not to bring a jacket), I couldn't find any place to convert my money back to American, the game wasn't very good, and the ride home was ruff it was very foggy and raining as I drove through the mountains all night. But the first two games were really good so I'm ready to go again. WOW !!! That's dedication. I live in Oakville and had to think 3 times whether I should join you guys on Sunday. And I finally didn't bother out of pure laziness ... LOL !!! ;D |
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Post by montreal on Nov 5, 2003 12:04:35 GMT -5
It sounds like you are describing Audette except for the skating and shooting part Nah, Balej works hard, it's just that he'll need a few years to get stronger. Not saying he couldn't play in the NHL now, but if he gets stronger it's going to help him out a lot. Plus playing under Jarvis should improve his defensive game. He can get to his man quickly, just that you can see he doesn't have the smarts to angle his guy or limit the players options by blocking the passing lanes. When he and Pleks have the puck in the offensive zone though, they create things with their speed and shifty moves. There's still hope for Balej yet, and that's good news. |
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Post by blaise on Nov 5, 2003 12:09:34 GMT -5
Balej ... doesn't have the smarts to angle his guy or limit the players options by blocking the passing lanes. Reminds me of what I said after seeing Balej in preseason games last season. He's not a thinking hockey player, that's for sure. He proceeds on instincts and physical talent. He's still a project. |
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Post by Kareem on Nov 5, 2003 13:11:41 GMT -5
I don't care about Balej, I quoted a comment from your analysis of Perezhogin.
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Post by sergejean on Nov 5, 2003 13:25:09 GMT -5
Just a little reminder to you all talking about SIZE...
New-Jersey Devils were last year Stanley Cup winners.....
John Madden
Jeff Friesen
Brian Gionta
Sergei Brylin
Jay Pandolfo
Scott Gomez
Patrick Elias
Scott Niedermeyer
Brian Rafalski
Jamie Langenbrunner
That's not exactly what I call overpowering size....
It's all about how you play as a team and how big your heart is.....
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Post by ethan on Nov 5, 2003 14:16:40 GMT -5
So true, so true!
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Post by montreal on Nov 5, 2003 14:33:40 GMT -5
I don't care about Balej, I quoted a comment from your analysis of Perezhogin. Perezhogin has skill, it's his skating and speed. He's got a quick step, but also has decent acceleration. Seems to have good balance and a very fluid stride. He will throw a hit here and there. When he has the puck in the offensive zone, he knows what to do with it. He has a good wrist shot, a quick release. Will drive to the net but won't be knocking too many people. Those are his skills. In watching him play, you can see he isn't very strong. He's fast but playing on the smaller ice surface, he can't get the room he needs, and doesn't have the lower body strength to get through players. If he can get stonger it will help him along the boards where he seems to have some problems. Also I got the feeling he was avoiding being hit. There were a few times I felt he should have gotten to the puck in the corner or along the boards, but was beaten by the slower defensemen. And there was one time I heard Jarvis yelling at him to backcheck as he was coasting back. When I saw him play last year and this year, I can see that he has some impressive skill, in that he can create things with his offense and he is good in his own end as well. He turned 20 last month, and most 20 year olds need to get stronger, so hopefully with some time in the AHL, he will learn how to create more space for himself, while adding a few pounds of muscle to help him along the boards and in the corners. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 5, 2003 14:47:33 GMT -5
It's a rare thing to find a 20 year old that doesn't need some work on strength or the defensive side of their game in order to make the move up to the NHL. Good coaches like Jarvis can work on both those things (with help from strength and conditioning coaches). A good coach can also make a good instinct player into a much more rounded and mature good hockey sense player.
What is much more difficult to develop is skill, and it sounds like both Perezhogin and Balej have an excellent skill base from which to work.
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Post by turnbuckle on Nov 5, 2003 16:45:10 GMT -5
Boy, Am I ever glad we didn't draft Svitov three years ago; he'd have been hung by now for not being an NHL regular yet. A little patience is needed.
IMO this has been a very encouraging season for our "bubble" prospects so far.
Ryder was not expected to be a top-line NHL regular this season, but he earned an NHL spot and more with his play in training camp.
Three seasons ago Balej almost made the Habs out of training camp; this season he was sent down wihtout playing a single exhibition game. Instead of fading into obscurity, Balej has picked it up a notch, and in the span of four months has gone from being a regular scratch to status as Hamilton's top winger.
Plekanec just keeps getting better, and he only turned 21 last week. More than a few teams are sorry they passed on Plekanec in the 2001 draft; he was selected 71st overall.
I do not consider Plekanec to be small. he's not overly tall at 5-10, but that means very little if you're as fast and strong as Pleky. He's a solid 195 pounds and he only turned 21, like I previously stated. He's mnore than big enough for the NHL; it's not all about height.
I do not agree that there have not been any players with size drafted by Savard:
Komo, Ferland, O'Byrne, Urquhart, Lapierre, Bonneau, Korpikari, Linhart, Lambert.........all of these players will be at least 6-1, 200 pounds in a couple of years, all but Lambert and Korpikari are 6-2 or taller. Higgins and Plekanec will both be 200+ pounds within a couple of years; who cares how tall you are if you're a solid 200 pounds?
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Post by blaise on Nov 5, 2003 17:24:11 GMT -5
I'm not so much concerned about Balej's size as his wits. Right now he misreads situations both offensively and defensively.
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Post by montreal on Nov 5, 2003 18:06:28 GMT -5
I'm not so much concerned about Balej's size as his wits. Right now he misreads situations both offensively and defensively. I agree all the way. I'm not a big fan of size, I prefer skill, but his lack of strength will give him problems until he gets stronger. But I completely agree, his lack of hockey sense is the biggest concern. |
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Post by del on Nov 10, 2003 18:31:05 GMT -5
HA and Montreal - excellant and informative read. Living in Burnaby does not offer me the chance to see our prospects in Hamilton and both of your reports fills in a lot of details I would not otherwise receive.
I hope you both plan to do a mid and final term dogs report so that we all may see how each individual player progresses or regresses from your present statements.
I appreciate your efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2003 16:04:57 GMT -5
Who would have thunk that Dagenais is the leading goal-scorer for our Bulldogs right now? Take a look!
#12 Pierre Dagenais:
13GP; 8G, 6A; 14pts; +3
Look who else is racking up the points!
#25 Benoit Gratton:
12GP; 6G, 8A; 14pts; +4
#14 Tomas Plekane¢:
14GP; 6G, 7A; 13pts; +2
#57 Jozef Balej:
14GP; 4G, 9A; 13pts; +5
And of course, the ones we really are excited about:
#46 Chris Higgins:
7GP; 2G, 2A; 4pts; +1
#27 Alexander Perezhogin:
13GP; 1G, 3A; 4pts; Even
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They think they are NHL material and probably dont help very much. They dont seem to be very vocal leaders, besides Gordie maybe, and surely dont lead the team on the ice.
then watching a guy scratching his head as to what to do next. And then deciding that he might as well hit somebody otherwise someone may question his existence. Silly Savardian acquisition.
