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Post by CrocRob on Oct 27, 2009 12:07:15 GMT -5
There's no hope of fitting Lecavalier in long-term without sending Gomez, Gionta or Cammalleri back to TB. I don't know why TB would want Gomez in return for Lecavalier. It would hurt their fan base and probably their team chemistry (if there is any). It would provide real savings in dollars, but is it enough?
Also, do we really want Lecavalier? His contract runs for 9 more seasons after this one.. 5 more than Gomez. And they're the same age. Vinny is a better player (and has a cap hit 400k higher not to mention his actual salary is $2M higher for this season and next) but I don't think we're a Vinny-for-Gomez switch away from being a contender. Do you?
If you have a link, or could find one, or even remember when/where Tanguay said that I would be interested in reading the context. It's been apparent to me that Gainey operates with his door pretty much closed to the players he manages. I think the uncertainty of playing under him is what Tanguay is referring to, but it's also not like GMs were lining up to get Tanguay in the fold. And it's not paying off for TB, either. He and Higgins are racing to be the most inept former Habs this season.
Just because I was looking it up, here's some former Hab stats:
Higgins: 12GP 0G 2A -2
Koivu: 10GP 1G 2A -5 (only goal a 5v3 PPG)
Kovalev: 9GP 3G 1A -4
Tanguay: 9GP 0G 2A -3
Lang: 10GP 1G 3A -1
Bouillon: 10GP 0G 0A -4
Kostopoulos: 10GP 1G 0A -1 (only point a SHG)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 27, 2009 13:13:10 GMT -5
... but I don't think we're a Vinny-for-Gomez switch away from being a contender. Do you? No. That was a TSN quote I believe. Something from their hockey panel. I think there was always distance between Gainey and his players, but that gap has widdened in recent years, IMO anyway. He's gone from being described by Sheldon Souray as a "dream boss" to being very distant. He doesn't seem to be as vocal in support of his players over the past few seasons, or at least as vocal as he was when he first got there. It's hard to know exactly what he meant, but this has gone through my mind in the past. That's 16 points in total. However, Cammellari and Gomez have 17 points between them. I think it might make more sense to see a possible deal involving Chicago more than TB. Putting the numbers together the way you have tells me that the numbers just doesn't jive with TB/Mtl. Depending on what kind of deal we're talking about that is. Cheers. |
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Post by CrocRob on Oct 27, 2009 16:22:26 GMT -5
I agree that Chicago is a more likely trade candidate.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 27, 2009 17:48:10 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know. I don't usually get a good look at a lot of teams until the NFL season is over. As yet I've only seen one TB game and I can't say they would turn down that offer if the return was reasonable. That being said, the Lightning are carrying 9 defensemen on their roster and would probably be looking to consolidate talent. I suspect that any of Smaby, Ranger or Walker would be available for picks or prospects that don't need to clear waivers. Halak might interest them, but keep in mind they have Ramo in the pipeline (if he comes back to the NHL...). They also may not quite be willing to give up on Mike Smith yet, who they effectively traded Brad Richards for. I'm also not sure who we'd be looking for in return. So after all that, I could have just written  and been done with it. Sigh.  I usually start these posts out by writing my mind and come to a conclusion or at least infer something from what I write. I can't think of a way where both sides can satisfy their needs from a trade unless TB is willing to part with futures, and we're willing to accept them. I still believe the best course for Sergei is to keep him in the fold and bring him up eventually. I don't know Red. I'm getting the impression it won't matter what Montreal does, Sergei simply doesn't want to be here any more. Halak? Would Chicago be interested? One thing that comes to mind, though. Alex Tanguay was asked if he wanted to come back to the Habs. His answer IIRC was "it depends on who the GM is." I don't know if this has anything to do with Sergie, but this comment comes back to me from time to time. As far as Sergei-to-TB is concerned, I keep envisioning Lecavalier in the mix somewhere. If TB is interested in Sergei, then what would the return be? They do need cap relief, but OTOH how much more salary can Gainey take on? Deals are tougher to make these days. It's about moving the equivalent in salaries more than anything else or so it seems. And if that's the case how does Gainey move enough salary out of Montreal to bring in Vinny? Cheers. Sergei for Vinny and a second round pick?? Vinny is 85th in league scoring (1 goal and seven assists). Seriously though, Vinny is no longer a premiere player. He could benefit from a change, but he won't be knocking Kovalchouk, Ovetchkin, Malkin or Crosby off any all-star teams. Getting rid of Vinnys salary would open doors for the Lightning. Montreal gets a big center, francophone, (Captain?) and PR handshaker. Vinny gets out of Tampa. Sergei gets out of the AHL. Andrei can join him next year as a free agent. Lots of parties and drug dealers in Florida. Come March, the Hab's would be looking better. I wouldn't trade our smurfs, but could let Hamrlik and Gill go to free up cap room. I'm not unhappy watching Sergei stew in Hamilton. If he learns to play position as asked and work as hard as Cammelleri, we have room for him. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 27, 2009 21:48:59 GMT -5
I don't know Red. I'm getting the impression it won't matter what Montreal does, Sergei simply doesn't want to be here any more. Halak? Would Chicago be interested? One thing that comes to mind, though. Alex Tanguay was asked if he wanted to come back to the Habs. His answer IIRC was "it depends on who the GM is." I don't know if this has anything to do with Sergie, but this comment comes back to me from time to time. As far as Sergei-to-TB is concerned, I keep envisioning Lecavalier in the mix somewhere. If TB is interested in Sergei, then what would the return be? They do need cap relief, but OTOH how much more salary can Gainey take on? Deals are tougher to make these days. It's about moving the equivalent in salaries more than anything else or so it seems. And if that's the case how does Gainey move enough salary out of Montreal to bring in Vinny? Cheers. Sergei for Vinny and a second round pick?? Vinny is 85th in league scoring (1 goal and seven assists). Seriously though, Vinny is no longer a premiere player. He could benefit from a change, but he won't be knocking Kovalchouk, Ovetchkin, Malkin or Crosby off any all-star teams. Getting rid of Vinnys salary would open doors for the Lightning. Montreal gets a big center, francophone, (Captain?) and PR handshaker. Vinny gets out of Tampa. Sergei gets out of the AHL. Andrei can join him next year as a free agent. Lots of parties and drug dealers in Florida. Come March, the Hab's would be looking better. I wouldn't trade our smurfs, but could let Hamrlik and Gill go to free up cap room. I'm not unhappy watching Sergei stew in Hamilton. If he learns to play position as asked and work as hard as Cammelleri, we have room for him. Well, BLNY stated in another thread that Detroit would be looking for a goaltender. What kind of return would a goaltender and S. Kostitsyn fetch? Interesting possibilities, no? Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 27, 2009 23:57:18 GMT -5
Does Detroit have anyone we'd want?  That's tongue in cheek, but who do they have who is a) cheap b) talented c) not too old d) offensive enough for top 6? I really like Darren Helm, but he's a 3rd 4th line guy. Jakub Kindl...a defenseman and not ready to step in. Any other thoughts? |
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Post by CrocRob on Oct 28, 2009 10:02:12 GMT -5
Kindl is garbage. I watched him here in Kitchener and I'd be surprised if he can ever be a reliable NHL defenseman.
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Post by blny on Oct 28, 2009 14:35:05 GMT -5
Thanks for the plug Dis  . Johan Franzen comes to mind, but his contract and fragility are a concern. If they still had Samuelsson, he'd be a good target. |
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Oct 28, 2009 15:45:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the plug Dis . Johan Franzen comes to mind, but his contract and fragility are a concern. If they still had Samuelsson, he'd be a good target. Franzen's out until mid-February, so that wouldn't help us out now anyhow... |
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Post by HFTO on Oct 28, 2009 16:20:44 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think the Habs are going to trade either guy at the moment and Halak will only be moved if Price when he returns goes to the next level.
This could change as we get closer to the deadline but with the super tough schedule and points at a premium goaltending is an excellent luxury to have.
I knew if Halak got a string of games the asinine reports would start surfacing about Price.Halaks run is as much about the team defense as anything Price has let a team deflating goal in all season so all this talk is pure B.S...... especially the one about Huet.
Like the Habs are gonna take on 5 mil for a backup...please.
HFTO
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Post by blny on Oct 28, 2009 17:16:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the plug Dis . Johan Franzen comes to mind, but his contract and fragility are a concern. If they still had Samuelsson, he'd be a good target. Franzen's out until mid-February, so that wouldn't help us out now anyhow... Good catch. Goes to my second quip with him. |
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and been done with it. Sigh. 
I usually start these posts out by writing my mind and come to a conclusion or at least infer something from what I write. I can't think of a way where both sides can satisfy their needs from a trade unless TB is willing to part with futures, and we're willing to accept them.
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