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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 24, 2003 15:11:10 GMT -5
From a poster on the Bulldogs board:
mike034
11/23/2003 19:37:46
RE: HIGGINS
Higgins has looked good so far, but I'm going to guess Derek Wills [Hamilton broadcaster] hasn't had to use the words "Higgins" and "passes" back to back. He has a very accurate shot, but the more games he plays the more opponents are going to realize he shoots all the time.
I know he has 4 assists, those have come from rebounds.
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Perhaps this is the "lack of creativity" Savard refered to prior to moving Higgins to the wing.
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Post by montreal on Nov 24, 2003 16:17:40 GMT -5
what a bunch of crap  |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 24, 2003 17:34:10 GMT -5
The fact that over the course of his high school and college careers combined, Higgins scored 75 goals and added 71 assists, seems to support the Hamilton fan's claim. And lends weight to the decision to shift a guy who doesn't appear to be a playmaker (and is brutal on faceoffs) over to the wing.
Hardly a condemnation of Higgins, but it certainly does clarify Savard's comment.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 24, 2003 19:37:47 GMT -5
Well, Savard drafted him. Are we to believe he used his first round pick to snag a smallish center with playmaking issues just so as to convert him into a small winger? What up with that? Why not just trade down and get a big winger like Bernier? How is it possible that the basis for the decision to move Higgins to the wing became clear less than 12 months after he was drafted? What is going on?
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Post by montreal on Nov 24, 2003 19:55:09 GMT -5
The fact that over the course of his high school and college careers combined, Higgins scored 75 goals and added 71 assists, seems to support the Hamilton fan's claim. And lends weight to the decision to shift a guy who doesn't appear to be a playmaker (and is brutal on faceoffs) over to the wing. Hardly a condemnation of Higgins, but it certainly does clarify Savard's comment. 71 assists and he doesn't have playmaking skills? The guy will produce on offense. I watched him dominate at Yale, and in the 3 games I was at, he was a force for the Dogs. So what he shoots more then passes? As long as he produces while being solid in his own end, whats the freaking point? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 24, 2003 20:25:45 GMT -5
71 assists and he doesn't have playmaking skills? The guy will produce on offense. I watched him dominate at Yale, and in the 3 games I was at, he was a force for the Dogs. So what he shoots more then passes? As long as he produces while being solid in his own end, whats the freaking point? 1. Hamilton fan says Higgins prefers to hold on to the puck and shoot rather than pass. 2. His high school and college stats show more goals than assists, which underline that observation. 3. André Savard stated before training camp that Higgins was being moved to LW because he "lacks creativity". This remark confused a lot of fans. 4. 1 and 2 offer a clarification of Savard's remark in 3. A playmaker requires "creativity". A sniper does not. That is all. |
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Post by montreal on Nov 24, 2003 20:54:33 GMT -5
1. Hamilton fan says Higgins prefers to hold on to the puck and shoot rather than pass. 2. His high school and college stats show more goals than assists, which underline that observation. 3. André Savard stated before training camp that Higgins was being moved to LW because he "lacks creativity". This remark confused a lot of fans. 4. 1 and 2 offer a clarification of Savard's remark in 4. A playmaker requires "creativity". A sniper does not. That is all. 1. So 2. 4 more goals then assist, that's balanced offense, no? 3. Who knows what Savard meant by that. They guy was named one of the top 10 players in the NCAA as a sophmore, I bet the Hobey Baker commitee didn't think he lacks creativity. 4. Watch him play, and tell me what you think. I happen to think he's a great all round prospect. He is solid in his own end. He's solid on offense, he shoots well, and produces on offense. Yes he shoots a lot, but he can set up plays as well. I was puzzled by Savard's comments, but unless I got to speak to him, I can't say. It doesn't matter what some fan in Hamilton thinks or what you or I think, Higgins is playing well and producing on offense, and that's great to see. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 24, 2003 21:13:44 GMT -5
You're shadow boxing.
No one said he was a poor player or prospect. That was not the point of the thread at all. Irrelevant.
It matters to me what informed people think of our players, even if their opinions differ from mine (as the Hamilton fan's so obviously differs from yours - you're both watching the same player and seeing different things, which is perfectly normal).
I will continue to express my opinions and read those of other posters, and I'm sure you will continue to be prolific with your posts and articles. Even if, as you said, they don't matter.
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Post by Bob on Nov 24, 2003 21:54:46 GMT -5
And sometimes the lack of assists speaks more about the quality of your wingers than your abilities as a playmaker.
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Post by montreal on Nov 24, 2003 22:32:44 GMT -5
You're shadow boxing. No one said he was a poor player or prospect. That was not the point of the thread at all. Irrelevant. It matters to me what informed people think of our players, even if their opinions differ from mine (as the Hamilton fan's so obviously differs from yours - you're both watching the same player and seeing different things, which is perfectly normal). I will continue to express my opinions and read those of other posters, and I'm sure you will continue to be prolific with your posts and articles. Even if, as you said, they don't matter. I like Fiona Apple, but I'm no shadow boxer (don't know what that means anyway  ) I don't expect anyone to say Higgins is a poor prospect either. I wasn't saying that at all. I just disagree that he doesn't pass. I don't know the poster at the dogs site, or what games he was at, but I think he's wrong. I won't say Higgins is some great playmaker, but he can dish the puck just fine. I've only been to 3 games of Higgins this year, with another game on tv, and a handfull of games at Yale and the WJC's. Who knows how many times the poster saw him play if at all. Maybe he saw every single game Higgins has ever played, but I don't agree with what he was saying. (as if I hadn't stated that enough times already) Expressing opinions is the whole point of these message boards, no? without opinions, where would we be? |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2003 2:43:43 GMT -5
Phil Esposito shot more than passed. His best year he only got 76 assists to go with his 76 goals. Shame on him. Really, the poster's comment misses the bigger point. Can he play? Yes or no? We'll let the goals and assists fall where they may.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 25, 2003 5:18:49 GMT -5
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Post by mikeg on Nov 28, 2003 13:39:59 GMT -5
hmmm do i want another "playmaker" on this team or do i want someone who can put the puck in the net...
let me think long and hard about this..
so savard drafted a guy he knew can score. what is the problem here? i would think people would want a guy like that on our team considering what we have now..
mike
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