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Post by BadCompany on Jun 20, 2010 8:52:45 GMT -5
Arnott would have been a nice short term solution, but he probably has a no-trade clause and wouldn't come here.
Hamhuis is classic Paul Holmgren; bold and decisive. Targets a player he wants, and then goes out and gets him. Holmgren was the first GM to aggressively trade for the rights to a UFA, when traditional wisdom said to just wait the extra week and try to get them July 1st. But he gets them a week early, shows them the love, and signs them.
"I think Philly has an unbelievable defensive core," Hamhuis said in a statement. "To join a core like that makes the Flyers one of the tougher ones in the league.
"To play against the teams from the East, the conference has a lot of great forwards, and watching the playoffs, having a great defence will get you a long way."
We'll see of course, but that doesn't sound like a guy who is going to be testing the free agent waters...
As Roke asked in another thread, Philly will have some dancing to do. I think Carter to LA is a strong possibility now, but I wonder if there is some way we can get in on the action? Would our next three first round picks for Carter be enough? Too much?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 20, 2010 11:09:54 GMT -5
You're right BC, in Philly trying moves to get better each and every season is just common. As is not getting a good goalie mind you. Funny how some GMs never give the cap shpeal, they just go out and make it happen...
I have a funny feeling, they'll hang on to Carter and actually bank on Briere's big playoofs performance to deal him.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 20, 2010 12:30:29 GMT -5
If I was a UFA and my rights were traded, I'd still wait to enteratain all offers. What's to lose? If Phllly likes me that much, they'll pay whether its before or after July 1. And I might like another offer or city better. Until Holmgren gets a decent goalie, I still won't consider him a good GM. He's probably thinking to get a UFA, but are there any goalies in that group any better than Halak? Nope. Holmgren also is facing time issues. Pronger is slowing down and won't be the force he has been in the past. So he has to aim for this year or next at the longest.
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Post by franko on Jun 20, 2010 18:00:28 GMT -5
Until Holmgren gets a decent goalie, I still won't consider him a good GM. I understand disappointment and frustration at our situation, but this is how I feel. Emery to carry you based on a decent playoff run in Ottawa? that actually lowers Holmgren imo. yup, this comment is bang on. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 20, 2010 23:04:12 GMT -5
You certainly can't knock his efforts or creativity to get a crack at guys before they can talk to anyone else. It worked for the Hartnell and Timonen signings. I can't understand why he hasn't put the same effort into getting a real goalie.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 21, 2010 5:58:19 GMT -5
You certainly can't knock his efforts or creativity to get a crack at guys before they can talk to anyone else. It worked for the Hartnell and Timonen signings. I can't understand why he hasn't put the same effort into getting a real goalie. I think the post-lockout belief -at least amongst a lot of GMs - is that you don't spend a lot on goalies, and simply hope one of them gets hot at the right time (as Boston_Habs always points out). The Red Wings openly state it. If you look at the finalists since the lockout it doesn't seem to be a bad strategy. 2005-06, Carolina versus Edmonton: Carolina won with a rookie, after dumping their highly paid "star" goalie (Ward and Gerber), while Edmonton made it there with a collection of misfits and never-weres (Maarken, Conklin, etc). 2006-07: Anaheim, with Giguere (a quasi-star I guess) beats Ottawa, with the aforementioned Emery. 2007-08: Detroit, with Chris Osgood, beats Pittsburgh, with quasi-star Fleury. 2008-09: Repeat, with the quasi-star winning this time around. 2009-10: Anti Niemi beats Michael Leighton. I mean, really?? Did anybody expect either of these guys to even be in the NHL this year, let alone battling for the Cup?? Most people probably didn't even know who they were... I guess the logic is that you are much better off spending $7 million on a forward or defenseman, than you are on a goalie... As for Holmgren himself, he's been GM for three full seasons, and in that time the Flyers have gone to the Conference Finals once, and the Finals another time. Pas pire, ca. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 22, 2010 1:29:44 GMT -5
As for Holmgren himself, he's been GM for three full seasons, and in that time the Flyers have gone to the Conference Finals once, and the Finals another time. Pas pire, ca. And lost each time, in large part because of goaltending. So he gets Snider some cash, but the brass ring fits someone else's finger, which is extended straight up.  |
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Post by franko on Jun 22, 2010 5:55:40 GMT -5
As for Holmgren himself, he's been GM for three full seasons, and in that time the Flyers have gone to the Conference Finals once, and the Finals another time. Pas pire, ca. And lost each time, in large part because of goaltending. So he gets Snider some cash, but the brass ring fits someone else's finger, which is extended straight up. the point indeed. we were happy to make the third round this yera but unhappy not to go farther. would we have been happy to make it to the finals? otoh yes . . . we really ddidn't deserve to be there based on the regular season. and yet . . . to be so close and not win it all would have been terribly disappoiting. the Canadiens are measured by Stanley Cups . . . . . . I guess the Flyers are measured by going far in the playoffs [the Leafs, of course, are measured by off-ice potential as opposed to on-ice reality] |
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Post by jkr on Jun 25, 2010 14:47:12 GMT -5
There's no direct link but on www.tsn.ca Dreger is saying that teh Flyers & Hamhuis can't reach a deal & the Flyers may now flip his rights. There is a video clip on the main page, I think. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 25, 2010 15:21:37 GMT -5
Hamhuis is -- by far -- the best and most complete defender on the UFA market this season and will realistically fetch something closer to $6M than not. There won't be many players.
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Post by HFTO on Jun 25, 2010 17:34:19 GMT -5
Apparently the Canucks which makes sense since they also were looking at Volchenkov.
IMO the Flyers are screwed unless they are willing to get fleeced in another deal.They want a D man and a gaolie???They have the assests but they are all overpaid.
HFTO
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Post by blny on Jun 25, 2010 22:26:40 GMT -5
Apparently the Canucks which makes sense since they also were looking at Volchenkov. IMO the Flyers are screwed unless they are willing to get fleeced in another deal.They want a D man and a gaolie???They have the assests but they are all overpaid. HFTO I guess they'll just sign him and worry about making room for the contract before September. Seems to me someone has to go. Carter's name keeps coming up ... |
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 25, 2010 22:46:59 GMT -5
Hamhuis' rights have been dealt to Pittsburgh for a 3rd rounder in 2011. So Holmgren traded Ryan Parent for a 2011 3rd rounder plus some conditional pick from Nashville.
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Post by blny on Jun 26, 2010 10:09:32 GMT -5
Think signing Hamhuis means that Gonchar is gone?
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 28, 2010 14:30:43 GMT -5
Color me shocked that the Flyers were not able to get Hamhuis under contract. You had to figure that by giving up a pretty-highly touted defenseman like Parent they were pretty sure they were going to sign him, and you have to figure they also knew it was going to cost in the $5-6 million range, at least. So I’m not sure why the negotiations broke down. Unless Hamhuis is looking for a Chara-like $7 million, or he simply doesn’t want to be in Philadelphia, I’m not sure what is going on there.
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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 28, 2010 14:43:06 GMT -5
You guys really think Hamhuis is going to get $6+ million?
I had him pegged at $4 to $5 (max). My guess is that he simply told the Flyers that he's waiting till July 1st and they decided to recoup an asset while they could.
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 28, 2010 15:25:13 GMT -5
Hamhuis is a reliable #2/#3 with decent puck movement and a track record sans injury having missed just 9 games the last 6 seasons. I've no doubt he'll get at least $5M on an open market where he's the big fish.
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