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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 16, 2011 12:28:42 GMT -5
Given the age and his expiring deal, I can't see that it would cost more than a 3rd or 4th round pick to get a couple months of Kovalev.
But would you want him?
The only scenario it makes sense is if we deal AKost for either current or future returns and "replace" him with Kovalev. At his best he's a more dangerous scorer and a proven playoff performer. If I had to chose I'd take Kovalev or AKost any day.
Ideally the Habs need bulk at forward and more help on the blueline. If we can address those needs I'd be happy, but if we can unload AKost for some blueline help and then take a flyer on Kovalev......
What do you think? Been there done that? Too much drama?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 16, 2011 12:44:34 GMT -5
Let's turn this into an Ottawa Sens thread, BH. What do you think?
Would I take Kovalev back ... umm ... er ... well ... maybe ...
He already said he wanted to retire a Hab. Maybe he's got that some game left if he puts on the Habs jersey again. One last burst of energy and one last hurrah ... still wouldn't give Murray squat for him, though.
As for the Senators as a team, I was on Facebook earlier and read some of Liam Maguire's comments. Murray is in a huge 'blowup' mode right now. He's accumulating what assets he can and he's far from done. Liam suggested that the Sens could be moving as many as eight more players.
I read that they've already tried moving Spezza and there were/are no takers for that salary. He'll probably be in Ottawa for the long haul.
I suspect Phillips will command a pretty good return. Lots of teams are looking for a shutdown guy and he still has some game left.
Alfredsson has already stated that he wants to stay in Ottawa.
Don't know what the price would be for Chris Neil, but I think we'd be able to use him in a big way.
Ottawa needs a goaltender in the worst way. Don't know who they have on their radar, but this has been a concern of their for years.
Who else would Ottawa want to move?
Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Feb 16, 2011 12:45:04 GMT -5
I've seen too many Sens game these year where he looked completely disinterested.
OTOH, he may be energized by a return to Montreal. Maybe there keeping that #27 jersey warm for him. If it came to a vote I'd have to say no.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 16, 2011 12:46:39 GMT -5
I'd take him back as a Plan B, something like that. He could help out on powerplay. I wouldn't give up a pick for Kovalev though. Maybe a prospect we have given up on instead.
If we could move Kostitsyn for Franson, then pick up Kovalev for nil I would go for it. He would add as much as Kostitsyn does to team. Probably more
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 16, 2011 12:57:30 GMT -5
If we could move Kostitsyn for Franson, then pick up Kovalev for nil I would go for it. He would add as much as Kostitsyn does to team. Probably more That's the ideal scenario, I think. |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 16, 2011 12:59:34 GMT -5
Maybe if Gainey went for a walk with him in old Montreal before ? I don't know, imagine the drama if he doesn't score a goal in his first 10 games ? Are the risks higher than the potential rewards ? He still was one of the most exciting player to watch on the PP when he was "ON". I agree that he can't be worse than AK at this point. But I would also see him as a plan B, if the Plan A fails.....that is, of course, if there is a Plan A...... The French media would have a frenzy with that trade, that's for sure ! May take some heat off of Gomez  |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 16, 2011 13:18:02 GMT -5
If we got him cheap enough, like a 3rd I would take him. I think he's still got game and we could really use him on the PP. He hasn't been the same since he left Montreal since his agent screwed him.
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Post by 24in93 on Feb 16, 2011 13:45:06 GMT -5
I think even a 3rd is too much. I'd only take him if it was for a bag of pucks (i.e.- a 7th rounder).
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Post by blny on Feb 16, 2011 14:05:34 GMT -5
If we could move Kostitsyn for Franson, then pick up Kovalev for nil I would go for it. He would add as much as Kostitsyn does to team. Probably more That's the ideal scenario, I think. +2 In my gut, I believe he's got another good playoff run in him. My biggest concern isn't so much his play, but where to put him. I would also bid pretty darn low. 5th maybe. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 16, 2011 14:09:09 GMT -5
As a veteran of 15+ seasons, I assume Kovy has a no-trade clause? So if he really wanted to play in Montreal (and only Montreal), he could effectively drive the cost to aqcuire him down to what the Habs are willing to give up.
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Post by franko on Feb 16, 2011 14:11:57 GMT -5
Let's turn this into an Ottawa Sens thread, BH. What do you think? aren't they all going to be for the next little while? will he promise to retire after the season? I think it would be a "go-out-in-glory", and I think he would be re-energized . . . for a shift or two, anyway, with the crowd cheering him. As for the Senators as a team, I was on Facebook earlier and read some of Liam Maguire's comments. Murray is in a huge 'blowup' mode right now. He's accumulating what assets he can and he's far from done. Liam suggested that the Sens could be moving as many as eight more players. salary cap. whodathunk there'd be a problem with that? slowing down, but smart . . . and pair him with someone decent on a team with life and he'll come back to life . . . he isn't a #1 but has to be on this team. total fan revolt if he's traded. grudgingly accepting the others but Alfie? never! a guy with an attitude that we are definitely missing Lalime, Hasek, Emery [only one more year on his contract], Gerber, Leclaire . . . Elliott supposed to be the one; then Brodeur, now Lehner . . . they are turning into the Flyers when it comes to goalies. everyone available except for Alfredsson and Karlsson, says Murray. |
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Post by franko on Feb 16, 2011 14:13:36 GMT -5
I'd take him back as a Plan B, something like that. He could help out on powerplay. I wouldn't give up a pick for Kovalev though. Maybe a prospect we have given up on instead. If we could move Kostitsyn for Franson, then pick up Kovalev for nil I would go for it. He would add as much as Kostitsyn does to team. Probably more said it elsewhere . . . PP specialist. can we get someone to sign Tucker? that would re-energize Kovy! |
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Post by franko on Feb 16, 2011 14:15:11 GMT -5
As a veteran of 15+ seasons, I assume Kovy has a no-trade clause? don't know, but I would be surprised . . . there weren't a lot of offers coming his way come time to sign. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 16, 2011 14:19:48 GMT -5
I wouldn't give up any draft picks for him, but if they want a "never gonna happen here" prospect then I would seriously consider it. Maxwell, for example. Trunev. Dustin Boyd (remember him?)
But...
There is so much potential for a circus... do we really want it? Is he the difference between the Cup and no-Cup? I too think he would have one last run in him, but what if, as franko asks, he decides NOT to retire?? What if he goes seven games without a goal before the playoffs start? What if he throws his sweater on the floor??
It would be fun - or at least interesting - but sometimes boring is good. I won't cry if he does come here, but I won't cry if he doesn't either...
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 16, 2011 14:48:36 GMT -5
I agree the "is it worth it?" question is the most important. Or worse, could he actually make things harder around here? The team has good chemistry and new leadership core and bringing in Kovalev, even on the cheap, could be disruptive in the room.
It isn't my preferred option either, but worth considering.
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Post by 24in93 on Feb 16, 2011 15:21:52 GMT -5
He seems to be scoring lately at least. Likely auditioning for a trade before he goes back to sleep.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 22, 2011 5:17:04 GMT -5
Habs-R-Masochists...........  |
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Post by Disp on Feb 22, 2011 7:31:39 GMT -5
I'll be a little surprised if he doesn't end up with us. As long as the asking price isn't too high, why not? Like others have said, he'd probably step it up a bit. Plus a lot of people love him in montreal. If PG can't get anything else done then this would appease the mob a little bit.
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Post by duster on Feb 22, 2011 15:32:07 GMT -5
Why is it other teams who are equal or better than ours pick up players like Johnson, Stewart, Kaberle and Neal but we think a whimsical and aging player like Kovalev might make up for a overextended defense and anemic offense.
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Post by Disp on Feb 22, 2011 16:59:26 GMT -5
Why is it other teams who are equal or better than ours pick up players like Johnson, Stewart, Kaberle and Neal but we think a whimsical and aging player like Kovalev might make up for a overextended defense and anemic offense. None of those guys came cheap. |
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Post by duster on Feb 22, 2011 17:23:00 GMT -5
I think it's overestimating the quality of the existing team if a couple of tweaks such as Mara and perhaps Kovalev is deemed all that is required to achieve a deep playoff run. I don't mind cheap, but if you are serious about improving the team or even hoping to go far in the playoffs, then you pay the price for the assets you need. Otherwise, it's just throwing away assets.
I'm a bit annoyed at the team's brain trust. Perhaps I'm still having hard time digesting the idea that Paul Mara is considered part of the solution.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 22, 2011 17:58:53 GMT -5
With so many injuries to defensive core, a deep playoff run is all but out of the picture. Habs would have to upgrade in so many areas now it is near impossible to do. I would look to prepare for long term future or even sell a player.
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