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Post by Cranky on May 2, 2011 1:14:48 GMT -5
The death of Osama bin Laden has brought justice for the 24 Canadians who died on Sept. 11, 2001, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Sunday night. However, he added, the threat of international terrorism continues, which is why Canada remains in Afghanistan. "Canada receives the news of the death of Osama bin Laden with sober satisfaction," Harper in British Columbia, shortly after U.S. President Barack Obama announced Sunday that the world's most wanted terrorist had been killed in a compound in Pakistan. Bin Laden's demise ends the 10-year manhunt for the terrorist who masterminded the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C. "Sadly, others will take his place," Harper said. www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/05/02/harper-reaction.html |
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Post by Polarice on May 2, 2011 6:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by blny on May 2, 2011 6:20:25 GMT -5
Conspiracy theorists are already claiming a hoax.
I'll be interested to hear what Pakistani officials have to say. I'm surprised that the US had the guts to go over the border to get him. Pakistan is where I felt he was from day one.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2011 8:36:34 GMT -5
where did you find that? I didn't think anything had been released. |
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Post by Polarice on May 2, 2011 8:46:29 GMT -5
where did you find that? I didn't think anything had been released. One of the news sites had a pic up...not sure if its real or not. |
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Post by blny on May 2, 2011 8:50:17 GMT -5
I'm calling fake. Have seen the picture flipped/mirrored, and the original photo used to spawn it.
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Post by Polarice on May 2, 2011 9:16:29 GMT -5
I'm calling fake. Have seen the picture flipped/mirrored, and the original photo used to spawn it. They're saying it is fake. |
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Post by Cranky on May 2, 2011 10:44:03 GMT -5
obama in his rush to claim credit forgot one simple rule. You don't create martyrs.
Bin Laden should have been killed, photographed and dumped at sea. No one should have known where or how it was done. Now, we face the prospect of renewed vigor from the crazy ones. All for the sake of chest beating politicians.
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Post by BadCompany on May 2, 2011 11:26:37 GMT -5
obama in his rush to claim credit forgot one simple rule. You don't create martyrs. Bin Laden should have been killed, photographed and dumped at sea. No one should have known where or how it was done. Now, we face the prospect of renewed vigor from the crazy ones. All for the sake of chest beating politicians. I don't think so. Anybody willing to go crazy and/or proclaim Bin Laden to be a martyr will be undoubtedly already leaning "that way" anyways. Whether he is dead or alive isn't going to change their minds. There may be a spike in "revenge" attacks, but again anybody willing to conduct those attacks was probably going to do so anyways. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 2, 2011 11:52:53 GMT -5
DNA tested against that of his sister, reportedly. ArticleVast majority of people will believe the official stories. Some will question all aspects....going right back to 2001. |
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Post by duster on May 2, 2011 14:10:13 GMT -5
More details about the Osama bin Laden mission:
The assault team was on board MH-60 helicopters took off from Ghazi Air Base in Pakistan. The team was SEAL Team Six, officially called the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, aka DevGru. They had come in from Afghanistan.
The National Journal in the U.S. had more details:
“After bursts of fire over 40 minutes, 22 people were killed or captured. One of the dead was Osama bin Laden, done in by a double tap -- boom, boom -- to the left side of his face. His body was aboard the choppers that made the trip back. One had experienced mechanical failure and was destroyed by U.S. forces, military and White House officials tell National Journal.â€
I suspect that's why there was no picture. I would imagine a double tap to the head is not a pretty sight. Watching CNN this morning, the Pakistanis were not notified ahead of time. It could explain why the Americans finally got him this time.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 2, 2011 17:49:43 GMT -5
More details about the Osama bin Laden mission: The assault team was on board MH-60 helicopters took off from Ghazi Air Base in Pakistan. The team was SEAL Team Six, officially called the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, aka DevGru. They had come in from Afghanistan. The National Journal in the U.S. had more details: “After bursts of fire over 40 minutes, 22 people were killed or captured. One of the dead was Osama bin Laden, done in by a double tap -- boom, boom -- to the left side of his face. His body was aboard the choppers that made the trip back. One had experienced mechanical failure and was destroyed by U.S. forces, military and White House officials tell National Journal.†I suspect that's why there was no picture. I would imagine a double tap to the head is not a pretty sight. Watching CNN this morning, the Pakistanis were not notified ahead of time. It could explain why the Americans finally got him this time. Duster, I'm on CNN right now. Check this out when you have the time: www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/05/02/exp.nr.pakistan.obl.reaction.cnn?hpt=C2I'm not posting this to contradict you, but to show why I just don't trust the initial reports coming out. This guy says the Pakistani government knew what was going on ahead of time. And this is why I'm kind of leery about what's being reported. After the misleading Jessica Lynch story, I really question 'initial reports.' To be honest, I'm not sure how to feel about this. I think it's great the American forces took out the guy responsible for the 9/11 attacks, but at the same time the cheering US crowds remind me of the cheering Palestinians we saw just after the towers come down. The Americans took out a guy who was responsible for the largest terrorist attack on their soil. However, I feel that we, that is North Americans, have to be bigger than the celebrating that's going on right now. Just my opinion. Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on May 2, 2011 18:22:07 GMT -5
The Americans took out a guy who was responsible for the largest terrorist attack on their soil. However, I feel that we, that is North Americans, have to be bigger than the celebrating that's going on right now. Just my opinion. Cheers. Agreed Dis. This "celebration" is way over the top and makes this scum look more important then he is. He's a terrorist, tap tap and move one to the next one. Do not give breath and cause to the enemy. |
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Post by blny on May 2, 2011 18:54:06 GMT -5
Two bullets to the head will make the head a canoe. These guys weren't using small caliber guns. I read somewhere that he may have used one of his wives as a shield.
There is ammo out there that doesn't leave a pretty picture....and I don't care to see that picture.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 2, 2011 19:01:15 GMT -5
Two bullets to the head will make the head a canoe. These guys weren't using small caliber guns. I read somewhere that he may have used one of his wives as a shield. I read the "shield" reference somewhere too, BLNY. It could/could not very well be. But, I just shook my head when I read it. It's just to consistent with the way the 'winners' continue to tell their story. Like I said, though, it could very well be. But, stuff like this almost seems predictable. And to be honest, who knows if he was buried at sea. I mean that sincerely, man. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on May 2, 2011 19:35:23 GMT -5
Dis, I think it will be a couple of months before we've got the whole story - or atleast as much as we're ever gonna know.
What I can't believe is that the US actually went into Pakistan to get him.
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Post by Skilly on May 2, 2011 19:37:47 GMT -5
I heard on the CBC news tonight that he received two bullets to the head, but he was still identifiable, even with the bullets holes in the head.
I also heard that one of the helicopters strucks the high fence surrounding the property on the way in and could not take off due to the damage (I'm guessing the back rotor blades?) This is why the US Forces destroyed the helicopter.
Just when Osama was becoming the enemy, they killed Saddam ... just when Khadafi is becoming the enemy, the killed Osama ... hmmmm? ... how convenient. I guess Khadafi will have to start worrying when Iran is invaded
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Post by blny on May 2, 2011 20:25:25 GMT -5
They got a couple of Khadafi family members - including one of his sons - in the last couple of days.
The common thread in all of this ... CIA financed/affiliated people. Nothing worse than losing control of your dictator/extremist.
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Post by Cranky on May 5, 2011 13:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on May 5, 2011 15:20:08 GMT -5
Confused by your comments. First you say it's becoming a 3 ring circus & then say his execution is better than an endless circus.  |
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Post by BadCompany on May 9, 2011 6:56:44 GMT -5
Kind of interesting the spin that is now being put on Bin Laden's death. I don't know what REALLY happened in that compound, and I'm cynical enough to believe that anything we hear about that raid has been carefully scripted. So I find this kind of fascinating how is death is now being portrayed.
At first we were told Bin Laden went down in a blaze of glory, AK47 blasting away at the imperialist crusaders coming to get him. Willing to sacrifice his wife and family for the cause, as any good muhajideen martyr should do. What did Keyser Soze say? He would rather see his family dead then live another day after this? This is only what the Islamists would expect from their fearless warrior, battling until the very end as every tragic hero must do. "They can take our lives! But they'll never take our freedom!!!"
Now though, we're getting a different spin. Bin Laden isn't this majestic, tall, regal figure, facing up to the Great Satan in heroic fashion. He's just another old man hunched over in front of a TV, working the remote. When the Big Bad Americans came to get him he didn't even fire a single shot, meekly accepting his execution in his nightgown. His wife - a woman - put up a bigger fight than he did, charging at a heavily armed Special Ops squad with just a knife. A woman! So stupid she's not allowed to go to school, so weak and pathetic she must be protected in public with sheets and the presence of a male relative. When push came to shove, when protection WAS really needed from her man he cowered while SHE fought the Americans. The "great" Bin Laden huddled up against a wall. Meek and feeble.
If you're, oh just for fun, some Muslim internet teenager looking for a cause, whose side would you rather be on? The uber-cool Navy Seals, with their high-tech weapons, macho-physical fitness, codes of secrecy and honor? Or the old man in the grey blanket watching TV?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 9, 2011 8:13:50 GMT -5
Kind of interesting the spin that is now being put on Bin Laden's death. I don't know what REALLY happened in that compound, and I'm cynical enough to believe that anything we hear about that raid has been carefully scripted ... ... If you're, oh just for fun, some Muslim internet teenager looking for a cause, whose side would you rather be on? The uber-cool Navy Seals, with their high-tech weapons, macho-physical fitness, codes of secrecy and honor? Or the old man in the grey blanket watching TV? And don't forget to include Obama's scripts as well. I've seen some of his stills while he was supposedly pondering his decision to authorize the operation. Then is speech to the nation afterward projecting strength, decisiveness and total non-regret in his decision. Too much sensationalism and chest-thumping for me. Not on. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on May 9, 2011 9:08:12 GMT -5
Kind of interesting the spin that is now being put on Bin Laden's death. I don't know what REALLY happened in that compound, and I'm cynical enough to believe that anything we hear about that raid has been carefully scripted. So I find this kind of fascinating how is death is now being portrayed. At first we were told Bin Laden went down in a blaze of glory, AK47 blasting away at the imperialist crusaders coming to get him. Willing to sacrifice his wife and family for the cause, as any good muhajideen martyr should do. What did Keyser Soze say? He would rather see his family dead then live another day after this? This is only what the Islamists would expect from their fearless warrior, battling until the very end as every tragic hero must do. "They can take our lives! But they'll never take our freedom!!!" Now though, we're getting a different spin. Bin Laden isn't this majestic, tall, regal figure, facing up to the Great Satan in heroic fashion. He's just another old man hunched over in front of a TV, working the remote. When the Big Bad Americans came to get him he didn't even fire a single shot, meekly accepting his execution in his nightgown. His wife - a woman - put up a bigger fight than he did, charging at a heavily armed Special Ops squad with just a knife. A woman! So stupid she's not allowed to go to school, so weak and pathetic she must be protected in public with sheets and the presence of a male relative. When push came to shove, when protection WAS really needed from her man he cowered while SHE fought the Americans. The "great" Bin Laden huddled up against a wall. Meek and feeble. If you're, oh just for fun, some Muslim internet teenager looking for a cause, whose side would you rather be on? The uber-cool Navy Seals, with their high-tech weapons, macho-physical fitness, codes of secrecy and honor? Or the old man in the grey blanket watching TV? I havent heard he was cowarded in the corner, or watching TV .... I thought this raid was done into the wee hours of the morning, in the dead of night? I have heard that he gave no resistance, but the Navy Seal team wasn't going to accept Bin Laden surrender unless they found him totally naked. They weren't going to give him any chance to pull out a concealed weapon ... was that an order from the Commander in Chief? I dunno. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 9, 2011 10:09:11 GMT -5
Sorry, didn't mean to imply he was watching TV when the raid happened. I was referring to the videos that the US released after the raid, of Bin Laden sitting in front of a TV, filmed by one of his cohorts and supposedly found during the post-raid cleanup of Bin Laden's house by the SEAL team. news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110507/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_ladenAs for it being an execution, I have no doubt that's exactly what it was. I think we're a little bit more squeamish about it because it was so personal - shot in the chest, and then a second one between the eyes, presumably as he lay on the ground - but really, is it any different from bombing his house? When you launch a cruise missile at somebody you aren't trying to capture them either, nor giving them any chance to resist. But in the end, does it matter? Dead is dead, no matter how you ended up in that state. |
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Post by Cranky on May 9, 2011 11:15:13 GMT -5
Confused by your comments. First you say it's becoming a 3 ring circus & then say his execution is better than an endless circus. obama is milking the execution and a trail would be a three ring circus. I'm not sure why you are confused. |
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Post by Cranky on May 9, 2011 11:21:13 GMT -5
And don't forget to include Obama's scripts as well. I've seen some of his stills while he was supposedly pondering his decision to authorize the operation. Then is speech to the nation afterward projecting strength, decisiveness and total non-regret in his decision. Too much sensationalism and chest-thumping for me. Not on. Cheers. Are you surprised? Don't forget that he knew about it for a year and just as his rating were the lowest, a quick pick me up Binny execution was all he needed. Now he can talk about more hope, change.......and Binny..... .....meanwhile more debt is turning the dollar into Monopoly money and the real unemployment is in the high teens. |
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Post by Cranky on May 9, 2011 11:33:54 GMT -5
I bet obama is dreaming that he's in the front car.....wearing his Nobel peace medallion.......getting cheered by the crowds as a hero for executing Binny..... ~~~~~~~~~~~ Chicago aldermen want ticker tape parade for Navy SEALs who killed bin Laden The city that was the first in the nation to hold a cathartic welcome home parade for Vietnam War veterans would do the same for the elite Navy SEALs team that took out Osama bin Laden under a plan floated Wednesday by five influential aldermen. www.suntimes.com/5183133-417/chicago-aldermen-want-ticker-tape-parade-for-navy-seals-who-killed-bin-laden.html~~~~~ Statue of obama holding Binny's head....  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 9, 2011 11:38:57 GMT -5
And don't forget to include Obama's scripts as well. I've seen some of his stills while he was supposedly pondering his decision to authorize the operation. Then is speech to the nation afterward projecting strength, decisiveness and total non-regret in his decision. Too much sensationalism and chest-thumping for me. Not on. Cheers. Are you surprised? Don't forget that he knew about it for a year and just as his rating were the lowest, a quick pick me up Binny execution was all he needed. Now he can talk about more hope, change.......and Binny..... Right around election time too ... surprised? And don't forget the troop pullout in Iraq. Timed, again, right around election time. And it looks as if the next meltdown will be state by state this time. It's not a federal issue (at least on the surface), and pulling the troops out of a war will buy him some time. However, I think he'll have to address it at a federal level before too long (or will he). He'll need more than a rabbit to pull out of his hat on this one. Cheers. |
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Post by MC Habber on May 15, 2011 14:49:35 GMT -5
If you're, oh just for fun, some Muslim internet teenager looking for a cause, whose side would you rather be on? The uber-cool Navy Seals, with their high-tech weapons, macho-physical fitness, codes of secrecy and honor? Or the old man in the grey blanket watching TV? presents a different picture: |
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Post by seventeen on May 15, 2011 23:30:48 GMT -5
HA, not sure why you've got such a hate on for Obama. Your early post said Bin Laden should have been shot, photographed and buried at sea. Isn't that exactly what Obama did?
Jimmy Carter lost the presidency because his military sortie ran into all kinds of bad luck in 79 in Iran. Obama disregards Pakistani rights (perfectly acceptable IMO, given how hypocritical they are), goes in, takes out the target (someone you seem to hate or dislike at least [again I agree with you]) and you just criticize him. You may not like his politics, which is fine, but I can't see where he's done anything but a hell of a job here. Cheney had 7 years to do it and didn't. Of course a politician is going to take credit. In fact, I haven't seen Obama doing a lot of chest thumping either. He's trying to keep it low key because it's the professional way to handle it.
Then, when his advisors are pressing him to release photos, something I think would be nuts, because it would turn Bin Laden into a martyr, and Obama says no, he's doing exactly what you thought is right.
Shouldn't you be congratulating him, even if he is a Democrat?
PS, misunderstood what you meant in that post. I don't think any president could keep the death of Bin Laden secret. Not only do Americans need to feel 9-11 was avenged at least in part, the world has to know that there are consequences for those types of actions. I think Obama did the right thing. He is trying to keep Bin Laden from becoming a martyr.
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