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Post by Skilly on Jun 3, 2004 17:50:28 GMT -5
When judging the ability of a goaltender, one usually puts the majority of the weight on his GAA and Sv%. Wins are looked at but are not given as much importance because wins are more of a team stat. They are not looked at as being an individual stat. On the same token, I recall you saying that Theodore had a better season in 2003/04 than he did in 2001/02 just because he had 3 more wins. I find it difficult to make sense of this considering the fact that his GAA and Sv% were not as strong as they were in 2001/02. Theo's numbers this year were good, but to say that he played better this season compared to two years ago based on three extra wins, does not make too much sense to me. With Danis, rather than looking so closely at wins, why don't you consider the strong GAA and Sv% numbers that he put up? Also, why are you judging him based on the fact that he went undrafted? Danis going undrafted has nothing to do with how he might potentially do in the NHL. To prove that, here's a list of some other noteworthy NHLers who went undrafted: Ed Belfour Curtis Joseph Mike Keane John Madden Adam Oates Brian Rafalski Steve Thomas Martin St. Louis You're saying that your views on Danis are based on a "gut-feeling", but how can you have a gut-feeling if you've never seen him play? Illogical I know ..... I just don't see where he fits into the Habs plans. At 23, he has maybe 3 years to win the starting job and that is only if Garon and Theo are either traded or the management gives up on them. Now if he is outstanding in Hamilton next year, then there is his shot. GAA and Save % as just as much team stats as wins are. I remember this arguement from earlier in the year. When your defense blocks shots and prevents shots their are less chances for your GAA and Save % to rise. It's just an opinion of him I have ....... let the Danis lovefest continue. |
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Post by blaise on Jun 3, 2004 17:55:24 GMT -5
Criticize Danis? Why are you on that track, Skilly? Did he not win his two starts in Hamilton, one of them being a shutout? It's not necessary to make excuses for his winning percentage in Hamilton: It was 1.00. Twice as good as his .500 in Brown, right?
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Post by PTH on Jun 3, 2004 22:35:43 GMT -5
Last summer, the Washington Capitals and Montreal Canadiens made him contract offers, but after weighing them carefully, Danis turned them down, deciding that neither offered enough money or opportunity to make him forgo his senior year at Brown. “With the Hobey Baker talk and all the scouts at our games, there was a lot of pressure on Yann, but he responded,” says Grillo. [/i] [/quote] This should kill any thought that Gainey loves the kid, odds are it's just someone on staff who likes him, and Gainey went along with it. After all, Gainey wasn't going to be offering contracts when he was barely hired and didn't have a clue who we had, especially who we had in the pipeline. |
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Post by blaise on Jun 3, 2004 23:36:39 GMT -5
This should kill any thought that Gainey loves the kid, odds are it's just someone on staff who likes him, and Gainey went along with it. After all, Gainey wasn't going to be offering contracts when he was barely hired and didn't have a clue who we had, especially who we had in the pipeline. I don't think so. Danis didn't come cheap, and Gainey wouldn't throw money at him on a whim. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 4, 2004 15:17:27 GMT -5
I don't think so. Danis didn't come cheap, and Gainey wouldn't throw money at him on a whim. But Gainey wasn't even the one throwing money at him last summer.... Besides, minor-league contracts aren't that expensive, maybe 200K signing bonus, 100K salary and 400K if he makes the NHL. If a top scout (AS for example) said that he likes the guy, and BG thinks we need better goalie depth, that's that. I wouldn't be surprised if BG never even saw Danis play. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 5, 2004 20:38:36 GMT -5
Criticize Danis? Why are you on that track, Skilly? Did he not win his two starts in Hamilton, one of them being a shutout? It's not necessary to make excuses for his winning percentage in Hamilton: It was 1.00. Twice as good as his .500 in Brown, right? If we based every player on 2 games, then wouldn't Hossa be in Montreal still? Would we even have Ribs now? And let's not forget your other "dream boy" Chris Higgins. He had 0 points in his first 2 games with Hamilton. I await a complete year of AHL play to fully appreciate the play of Danis, or he may prove me right. But I hope I am wrong. |
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Post by blaise on Jun 5, 2004 20:47:26 GMT -5
If we based every player on 2 games, then wouldn't Hossa be in Montreal still? Would we even have Ribs now? And let's not forget your other "dream boy" Chris Higgins. He had 0 points in his first 2 games with Hamilton. I await a complete year of AHL play to fully appreciate the play of Danis, or he may prove me right. But I hope I am wrong. Didn't you meant Higgins's first two games in Montréal, not Hamilton? Of course, let's not forget that he played only a few minutes and on the fourth line in those two games. He was there only because of the injury to Koivu. At that he had exactly the same results as Balej, who had more ice time and played on a line with Ribeiro as well as on the fourth line. Don't worry, you'll get to see Danis play often in Hamilton. As for Higgins, I think he'll get more games in Montréal next season (if there is a next season). You'll be able to judge for yourself. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 5, 2004 21:00:25 GMT -5
Didn't you meant Higgins's first two games in Montréal, not Hamilton? Of course, let's not forget that he played only a few minutes and on the fourth line in those two games. He was there only because of the injury to Koivu. At that he had exactly the same results as Balej, who had more ice time and played on a line with Ribeiro as well as on the fourth line. Don't worry, you'll get to see Danis play often in Hamilton. As for Higgins, I think he'll get more games in Montréal next season (if there is a next season). You'll be able to judge for yourself. I actually meant Hamilton. Higgins got his first points in game 9 of the year (1 G 1 A) against Rochester. But if they were to judge him on only 2 games well he may have been banished altogether. |
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Post by blaise on Jun 5, 2004 23:51:35 GMT -5
I actually meant Hamilton. Higgins got his first points in game 9 of the year (1 G 1 A) against Rochester. But if they were to judge him on only 2 games well he may have been banished altogether. Then I'm afraid I don't get your point at all. Forwards don't play every minute of every game and they don't score in every game. There is no way Higgins would have been "banished" because management was and is very high on him. (He justified this faith during the season by becoming the sixth highest rookie scorer in the AHL despite missing games with a concussion and also while he was in Montréal. He also scored decently in the AHL playoffs.) Goaltenders play 60 minutes and aren't relieved unless they stink out the joint. For Danis player to come out of the ECAC and win his first two games in the second strongest league in North America isn't shabby, and one of his wins was a shutout. |
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Post by montreal on Jun 6, 2004 0:03:38 GMT -5
I actually meant Hamilton. Higgins got his first points in game 9 of the year (1 G 1 A) against Rochester. But if they were to judge him on only 2 games well he may have been banished altogether. Those points won the game, I was there, it was at Rochester, and they had the lead when Komo scored (after being benched for a while for saying something to the ref as he was headed to the box) As for Danis, he played in 3 games this year, he bailed out Damphousse, and in his 3 appearances, he didn't let in any goals in 2 of them. Not a bad start, but next year he may have a much weaker defense in front of him depending on who's back and who's not. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jun 6, 2004 7:02:23 GMT -5
Not a bad start, but next year he may have a much weaker defense in front of him depending on who's back and who's not. If past performance and appraisals are reliable indicators, that shouldn't be a problem for him. It should remind him of his university days. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 6, 2004 18:16:44 GMT -5
If past performance and appraisals are reliable indicators, that shouldn't be a problem for him. It should remind him of his university days. Took the words right out of my mouth. Like I said, I have absolutely no basis as to why I think he isn't going to be the star every one thinks he will be. I admit that openly. But I do protest giving him the NHL starter's job when we haven't had a reliable amount of games in the AHL to judge where he stands. If he is good next year with a shabby AHL defense, then I am sold on him because the Habs defense is shabby also, but if he stinks next year ...... we always have Theo and Garon to complain over. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 6, 2004 22:29:10 GMT -5
Theo let in soft goals. OK. But he would have had to have at least 3 shutouts to beat Tampa because his team mates were certainly not going to give Khabi any sunburns from turning that red light on behind him. Not necessarily. Good goaltending gives a team confidence, improving their offence. Bad goaltending, on the other hand, destroys a teams confidence. |
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Post by rhabdo on Jun 6, 2004 23:10:25 GMT -5
No one is saying that Danis should play in the NHL next season or even run on a fixed time table. He needs to get his pro experience. But he's a promising asset who stands a good chance of beating out Damphousse by the end of next season. After that, who knows? It may take 2-3 years before we see him play in the Bell Centre, and even that isn't guaranteed. Personally, I hope he gets here sooner than that.
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