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Post by Bob on Jun 9, 2004 17:35:40 GMT -5
This year the 'experts' have claimed the talent pool available for the draft is much more shallow than usual. After the first few, it apparently levels off and there isn't much to pick and choose among those left.
What do you think of the strategy of trading the first round pick this year (#18) for a later first round pick and 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick?
If the Habs scouting staff continues to turn up gems in the mid-rounds it might not be a bad idea. But then again, someone has to be willing to take the bait.
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Post by blaise on Jun 9, 2004 18:36:58 GMT -5
Bob, I think you have the process of trading down reversed. What usually happens is that a team with a lower pick approaches the holder of a higher pick at a time when the player who's the target of the team with the lower pick is still available.
If Gainey tried to barter the #18 pick in advance, he'd have to poll the other GMs. That's a lot of work, and most of his calls would fall on deaf ears. Now assuming there are interested parties, they wouldn't initiate it in advance because they couldn't be sure their target would be available at #18. The trade would be made during the draft at just the right time.
If you'll recall, Savard traded up (with Edmonton?) during the session to draft Chris Higgins. Edmonton didn't make the first offer to Savard.
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Post by Bob on Jun 10, 2004 13:42:58 GMT -5
Bob, I think you have the process of trading down reversed. What usually happens is that a team with a lower pick approaches the holder of a higher pick at a time when the player who's the target of the team with the lower pick is still available. If Gainey tried to barter the #18 pick in advance, he'd have to poll the other GMs. That's a lot of work, and most of his calls would fall on deaf ears. Now assuming there are interested parties, they wouldn't initiate it in advance because they couldn't be sure their target would be available at #18. The trade would be made during the draft at just the right time. If you'll recall, Savard traded up (with Edmonton?) during the session to draft Chris Higgins. Edmonton didn't make the first offer to Savard. I agree with you on how the situation would have to unfold. The team coveting the better pick would have to approach Montreal. If Gainey was approached by a team such as the Rangers who have two picks in the first round and three in the second, do you think it would be a good strategy to consider an offer like this in a weak draft year? And, if so, what would you want if you were Gainey? |
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Post by PTH on Jun 10, 2004 16:11:50 GMT -5
Well, while the deal can't be done ahjead of time, at the draft you have to have some lines of communication up and going - if the Habs don't have someone they REALLY want at #18, they might want to be sure that other teams know that BG will listen to offers.
Hopefully, we'd deal the 1st for something like a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th. In this kind of a draft, more chances at bat are worth more than a high pick where there's no one who really seems to stand out.
A few years back we movedup (or was it down? ) just a dozen slots in the 2nd round and the cost for moving up was a 4th and a 5th - or something like that.
IE, if BG gets a call for his pick, it can be worthwhile - but you can't count on getting that call, either.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jun 11, 2004 0:19:22 GMT -5
Hopefully, we'd deal the 1st for something like a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th. In this kind of a draft, more chances at bat are worth more than a high pick where there's no one who really seems to stand out. That sounds like a better idea to me. With this year's draft considered to be a weak one, it's even more of a crapshoot, so why not increase the odds of drafting an NHLer by obtaining more picks? |
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Post by Rimmer on Jun 11, 2004 6:29:14 GMT -5
it looks like the Blackhawks might be interested in trading for an additional 1st round pick. from Spector's Hockey: CHICAGO DAILY HERALD: Tim Sassone reported yesterday Blackhawks assistant GM Dale Tallon said the club is willing to package several of the four second round picks they presently have in this year's draft in hopes of landing another first round pick to go with the one they'll already have (third overall).R. |
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Post by blaise on Jun 11, 2004 9:55:53 GMT -5
it looks like the Blackhawks might be interested in trading for an additional 1st round pick. from Spector's Hockey: CHICAGO DAILY HERALD: Tim Sassone reported yesterday Blackhawks assistant GM Dale Tallon said the club is willing to package several of the four second round picks they presently have in this year's draft in hopes of landing another first round pick to go with the one they'll already have (third overall).R. Having four 2nd round picks is unusual, but even the Blackhawks would prefer to wait until the draft to get the best deal. Since their four picks fall at different points in the the 2nd round, they would prefer to get the optimal value out of each. Depending on who is available in the 1st round and the willingness of any potential trading partner to deal, they would have to decide how many and which of their 2nd rounders to trade. For example, if Gainey asked for the two highest Blackhawk 2nd round picks for #18, the price might not be acceptable to Chicago, although they might be willing to cede the highest and fourth highest. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 12, 2004 17:29:12 GMT -5
The poor makebeliefs don't have a pick in the first round. I'd gladly trade them our #1 in 2004 for their #1 & #2 in 2005. Then we would package two #1's and a #2 with a Michael Ryder for Crosby. Any takers?
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