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Post by BadCompany on Jan 20, 2012 13:30:13 GMT -5
Moen back to Anaheim?
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Post by blny on Jan 20, 2012 13:49:21 GMT -5
I don't see the Ducks adding complimentary pieces like Moen. They're in last place in the west. If they make moves, they'll be looking at lateral, to whatever they think is an upgrade, type moves.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 20, 2012 13:51:05 GMT -5
...not impossible BC. On the surface it looks strange that a bottom team would acquire a UFA-to-be
But...
Anaheim is at the bottom of the West, 13pts back from a playoff spot but they have 3 games in hand on Colorado. They win these games and all of a sudden things start to get exciting.
Ducks are on a 3 games winning streak. If a team has the horses to pull a second half climb it's them.
If we had a core like Anaheim would we want to gutt the team...
...fans have the cold feet to deal Plekanec
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 21, 2012 8:36:09 GMT -5
I hope it is Getzlaf? Habs needs size, skill with some character down the middle to build around. Getzlaf is rumoured to be available and asking price probably be Plekanec and a #1 pick. Not necessary ours we could flip a Kostitsyn to Nashville for theirs. I would move Subban instead of the pick but only as last resort. If we did move Subban like to get something back as I think that is too much. Maybe a Schultz, Peter Holland or Etem? If Habs want to replace Plekanec's depth l would look at a Ruutu at free agent time.
In off season dive in Suter sweepstakes also. They have the caproom with Cammalleri gone and Gomez soon to follow. Can overpay for Suter because don't have to give up assets to acquire him and he is still in prime years.
Everything else is there to build a good team with. Habs have one of top young goalies to come along in awhile. Cole and Pacioretty are excellent first line wingers. Gionta and Bourque make a decent top six. Down on the farm Tinordi has chance to be something special with his size and wheels. Beaulieu, Leblanc, Gallagher, Bournival are projected NHLers. They have all their picks with this years chances are a lottery pick. This team has a lot, it needs a core center and defenseman.
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Post by Polarice on Jan 24, 2012 6:06:23 GMT -5
Tweets last night and this morning said the Habs are pushing hard for Getzlaf....also said there are 3 other teams trying to get him.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 24, 2012 8:08:19 GMT -5
Tweets last night and this morning said the Habs are pushing hard for Getzlaf....also said there are 3 other teams trying to get him. Tweets from whom? If there was any possibility of getting Getlaf I'd tell Anaheim the only untouchables are Cole, Pacioretty, Bourque and Price. |
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Post by Polarice on Jan 24, 2012 8:20:20 GMT -5
Tweets last night and this morning said the Habs are pushing hard for Getzlaf....also said there are 3 other teams trying to get him. Tweets from whom? If there was any possibility of getting Getlaf I'd tell Anaheim the only untouchables are Cole, Pacioretty, Bourque and Price. !/The_Creasy |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 24, 2012 10:13:31 GMT -5
I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Ryan Getzlaf.
Problem is with his contract. He's a UFA after next season so anybody who trades for him is taking a HUGE gamble that he can be signed to a new deal. If you adjust the trade offer, i.e include some conditional compensation subject to him being signed, then maybe there's a deal. But I wouldn't pay full freight for the guy and then assume all of the risk that we can sign him.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2012 10:34:58 GMT -5
I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Ryan Getzlaf. Problem is with his contract. He's a UFA after next season so anybody who trades for him is taking a HUGE gamble that he can be signed to a new deal. If you adjust the trade offer, i.e include some conditional compensation subject to him being signed, then maybe there's a deal. But I wouldn't pay full freight for the guy and then assume all of the risk that we can sign him. Good point BH. If you can't sign him you get compensation. PG will shoot for Getzlaf and end up with Penner. He'd fit right in living in Quebec because he'd have lots of maple syrup to go with his pancakes. |
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Post by blny on Jan 24, 2012 15:22:11 GMT -5
I'd do just about any trade if the price is right.
Getz won't score any more goals than Pleks does in the run of a year. He's racked up more assists. He won't kill penalties, so we have to be sure there's someone to take that role. How is he at faceoffs?
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 24, 2012 20:51:19 GMT -5
I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Ryan Getzlaf. Problem is with his contract. He's a UFA after next season so anybody who trades for him is taking a HUGE gamble that he can be signed to a new deal. If you adjust the trade offer, i.e include some conditional compensation subject to him being signed, then maybe there's a deal. But I wouldn't pay full freight for the guy and then assume all of the risk that we can sign him. How about a guy like Carter? He is signed long term and be buying low on him |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 24, 2012 21:08:41 GMT -5
I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Ryan Getzlaf. Problem is with his contract. He's a UFA after next season so anybody who trades for him is taking a HUGE gamble that he can be signed to a new deal. If you adjust the trade offer, i.e include some conditional compensation subject to him being signed, then maybe there's a deal. But I wouldn't pay full freight for the guy and then assume all of the risk that we can sign him. How about a guy like Carter? He is signed long term and be buying low on him isnt he always injured? we've lost enough man games injury this year. we've exceeded last years number already. |
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Post by blny on Jan 24, 2012 21:11:39 GMT -5
Carter is being sold low for a reason. Injuries aside, I see 'party animal' written all over him. He's also a center who'd never get the puck to his wingers.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 25, 2012 9:34:25 GMT -5
I'd do just about any trade if the price is right. Getz won't score any more goals than Pleks does in the run of a year. He's racked up more assists. He won't kill penalties, so we have to be sure there's someone to take that role. How is he at faceoffs? He is a little worse than Plekanec on faceoffs. One thing I have noticed over the past 2-3-4 seasons is that so-called "speedy, smallish" forwards with Montreal seem to struggle to maintain consistency. From Koivu, Gomez, Cammy, Gionta etc ... they are forwards with 80 points potential, but seem to struggle to get 50-60 points with us (some years barely break 40-50). But the bigger forwards we get seem to be able to score. Ryder, Latendresse, Pacioretty, Cole ... they may not rack up the assists, but they all showed the ability to fill the net when on the top two lines. I'd put Getzlaf into this category, if on our team, I think he'd score more than he does in Anaheim (and hopefully still get more assists than the previously mentioned guys). |
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Post by blny on Jan 25, 2012 10:21:58 GMT -5
I'm not convinced he'd score more goals, but I have no doubt in his ability to get pucks to his wingers.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 25, 2012 21:38:20 GMT -5
I would try to package deal around Tomas for #1 center. Desharnais makes him sort of more movable. I'd rather keep DD as his offensive upside is higher than Plekanec. Maybe sign a defensive faceoff guru like a Moore as free agent to center 4th line and take Plekanec's key faceoffs.
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 27, 2012 5:50:39 GMT -5
Hypotherical, you are the Habs GM, if Anaheim offered Getzlaf and Perry or Getzlaf and Ryan(your choice) for Plekance and Subban would you take it?
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Post by franko on Jan 27, 2012 7:00:44 GMT -5
would it mean that we'd have to keep Gill?
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Post by Skilly on Jan 27, 2012 7:47:46 GMT -5
Hypotherical, you are the Habs GM, if Anaheim offered Getzlaf and Perry or Getzlaf and Ryan(your choice) for Plekance and Subban would you take it? They'd never deal both .... but I'd do it. Heck I'd deal Plekanec AND Subban for Getzlaf (if Anaheim let us talk contract with him first, or they extend him ) |
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Post by GNick99 on Jan 27, 2012 9:30:09 GMT -5
Hypotherical, you are the Habs GM, if Anaheim offered Getzlaf and Perry or Getzlaf and Ryan(your choice) for Plekance and Subban would you take it? They'd never deal both .... but I'd do it. Heck I'd deal Plekanec AND Subban for Getzlaf (if Anaheim let us talk contract with him first, or they extend him ) I don't think I would go that far, trade both for Get. Positive Anaheim would do it though. Some rumblings Perry may be available but take so much to get him. Not sure that would get it done. I think Ducks open to trading Perry because coming off 50 goals by far his career best. His value at its high |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 27, 2012 10:42:24 GMT -5
Perry's in the same boat as Getzlaf.... both are UFA's after next season. There is NFW I would deal Pleks and Subban (who are both locked up one way or the other) for two guys who can walk at the end of next season.
Anaheim has backed themselves into a corner by allowing their two franchise forwards a chance to hit the UFA market at such a young age. Both of those guys are in line to get MONSTER contracts on the open market. The Ducks can try and keep one or both, but they can't expect to get full value back in a trade since any buyer is going to need to sign them, which is just too risky. Why would Perry or Getzlaf forego the chance to hit the UFA market and decide their own fate? At a minimum they would want to see how the trade works out, how they like the new team, etc. before agreeing on a long-term contract.
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Post by franko on Jan 27, 2012 10:51:58 GMT -5
In Anaheim's favour: the coming CBA. unless, of course, the owners let the GMs muck it up again.
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