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Post by franko on Feb 15, 2012 13:45:58 GMT -5
So my wild prediction is Carter in LA and Nash in NY Carter is the Blue Jackets' Gomez. sure the cap hit is only $5.2 per, but it lasts until 2022. and LA has no cap space [sure they'll dump Penner, but they are going to have to sign a goalie in a couple of years and need space for that]. not so sure the first part of your wild prediction will come true. |
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Post by HFTO on Feb 15, 2012 18:47:15 GMT -5
To get Nash it'll cost you min Pleks, Subban (the prized piece) and a first plus, maybe plus.
If Columbus is going to deal Nash they need players who can contribute now and some ammo coming down the pipe line.
The All-Star game is in Columbus next year, so no way do they not have a new face to promote or a team that is in another rebuild.
Ideally they need a front man a d-man and a goalie.
Aside from LA and Vancouver who can provide all three elements the Habs probably could make the deal since the number work.
No way do I trade Subban in this deal but if you roll the dice on Beaulieu or Tinordi you maybe able to get buy or better yet, get Markov in the deal.To do that the numbers suggest it would have to be a bigger deal.
For the Habs even though Nash most likely would put up big number the question would be pointed towards Eller and if he could fill Pleks role especially offensively and obviously defensively.
IMO the Habs should stock pile with their UFA's cand cultivate the young D-men they have and see what happens for them offensively down the road.
HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Feb 16, 2012 1:29:06 GMT -5
Who else should be in the mix? Toronto will bluster of course, but I don't really see them having any of the necessary requirements. Some Toronto fans (the really loopy ones) think that a package of Komisarek, Kadri, McArthur and a draft pick will do it. I'm not sure whether to laugh or vomit. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 16, 2012 7:49:58 GMT -5
Who else should be in the mix? Toronto will bluster of course, but I don't really see them having any of the necessary requirements. Some Toronto fans (the really loopy ones) think that a package of Komisarek, Kadri, McArthur and a draft pick will do it. I'm not sure whether to laugh or vomit. LOL Komisarek is only back in the lineup because Schenn is scratched & Kadri can't even stick with the Leafs. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 16, 2012 7:51:22 GMT -5
To get Nash it'll cost you min Pleks, Subban (the prized piece) and a first plus, maybe plus. If Columbus is going to deal Nash they need players who can contribute now and some ammo coming down the pipe line. The All-Star game is in Columbus next year, so no way do they not have a new face to promote or a team that is in another rebuild. Ideally they need a front man a d-man and a goalie. Aside from LA and Vancouver who can provide all three elements the Habs probably could make the deal since the number work. No way do I trade Subban in this deal but if you roll the dice on Beaulieu or Tinordi you maybe able to get buy or better yet, get Markov in the deal.To do that the numbers suggest it would have to be a bigger deal. For the Habs even though Nash most likely would put up big number the question would be pointed towards Eller and if he could fill Pleks role especially offensively and obviously defensively. IMO the Habs should stock pile with their UFA's cand cultivate the young D-men they have and see what happens for them offensively down the road. HFTO I'm also reluctant to include Subban. And if you trade Plekanec then what happens to the centre position? Nash is a winger & not what this team needs, especially considering what it will cost. |
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Post by blny on Feb 16, 2012 10:13:00 GMT -5
I don't see a way where CBJ doesn't get a goalie as part of the return. Mason has crumbled, and they don't have anyone in the system. To my mind, that puts Vancouver and LA at the front of the pack.
Schneider, Hodgson, and at least 1 first rounder. As I mentioned on the previous page, maybe you add in defensemen going either way. CBJ takes on the more expensive one so as to create cap space in Vancouver.
With LA, it would be Bernier, and after that I don't know. I don't know their club as well.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 16, 2012 18:54:58 GMT -5
Dreger saying the Rangers are most likely destination for Nash. I think he is overrated could be worse move Rangers make.
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Post by jkr on Feb 19, 2012 9:53:13 GMT -5
Dreger tweeting that CBJ's asing price for Nash from Philly is: Van Riemsdyk, Bobrovski & one of Schenn/Coutourier.
Philly backing off for now according to DD.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 19, 2012 11:59:09 GMT -5
Hmm. That's not outrageous. Firstly, I'm not a fan of Bobrovski. Van Riemsdyk and Schenn are also young guys I'm not sold on yet, though both have shown flashes the occasional time I've seen them. I like Coutourier. All very young and if they all fulfill their potential, that would be a win for CBJ, but how often do three young players fulfill their potential?
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2012 12:24:20 GMT -5
There were reports last night that CBJ wanted 4 assets for Nash. One had to be a first rounder. JVR had shown flashes, but hasnt put it all together yet. Schenn is young, but looks like he will be a very good two way player. Not sure if he is a franchise center though. You never go to the Flyers looking for goalies.
In all, I think CBJ can do better if they wait. LA is the team to deal with. They are desperate for offense. They have a great young goalie in Bernier. They can afford to give up Jack Johnson.
There is talk that the Kings might be interested in reuniting Carter with Richards.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 19, 2012 15:13:38 GMT -5
Dreger tweeting that CBJ's asing price for Nash from Philly is: Van Riemsdyk, Bobrovski & one of Schenn/Coutourier. Philly backing off for now according to DD. This Nash trade going to be hard to make because Columbus wants 4-5 assets in return, mostly proven NHLers. Most playoff teams cannot move those kinds of assets without changing their team. Only exception being LA, maybe Philly, maybe the Leafs also but I doubt they have the assets for Nash. But I wouldn't be surprise if they try for Carter instead. Best Nash trade gets done around draft time when teams like Boston, Rangers, Detriot be more willing to rock the boat. |
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2012 16:38:29 GMT -5
Perhaps the bigger story, that few discuss in earnest, is the effect on the market. The franchise has teetered on the brink of death in many respects. The effect of the now inevitable trade on the market could be dire. Will anyone but the few diehards go? How do you sell ANOTHER rebuild to Columbus?
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 19, 2012 19:11:33 GMT -5
Perhaps the bigger story, that few discuss in earnest, is the effect on the market. The franchise has teetered on the brink of death in many respects. The effect of the now inevitable trade on the market could be dire. Will anyone but the few diehards go? How do you sell ANOTHER rebuild to Columbus? I think that's why they want top young NHLers back instead of picks and prospects. To speed the rebuild. Doubt Columbus can take another long rebuilding process. If they get 2 good exciting young players already in the NHL, along with a 1st rounder or prospect it will give the fans more courage |
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Post by blny on Feb 19, 2012 21:23:16 GMT -5
Perhaps the bigger story, that few discuss in earnest, is the effect on the market. The franchise has teetered on the brink of death in many respects. The effect of the now inevitable trade on the market could be dire. Will anyone but the few diehards go? How do you sell ANOTHER rebuild to Columbus? I think that's why they want top young NHLers back instead of picks and prospects. To speed the rebuild. Doubt Columbus can take another long rebuilding process. If they get 2 good exciting young players already in the NHL, along with a 1st rounder or prospect it will give the fans more courage They've got to be capable franchise faces though. Even then, I'm not sure how stable the fan base is to rally behind that. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 20, 2012 10:10:52 GMT -5
Well, it's tough trade to make you see. Columbus needs help now and teams close to a Cup not bending over backwards to shuffle team makeup on eve of playoffs. It will come down to wait until the draft when more clubs are open to major changes or trade Nash for a little less now. It's according to how hard Nash is pushing for a trade also. I imagine he sees it as he's 28, wants a chance at a cup doesn't want nothing to do with lenghty rebuilding program. He's rather be traded now as probably doesn't want to spend another of his prime years outside the playoffs. If that is the case probably see him go to Kings first, Leafs and Flyers are dark horses. If wait until the draft could see Boston, Rangers, Detriot and Vancouver enter the picture.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 20, 2012 13:09:51 GMT -5
...internet rumors is that Howson price for the Flyers is Couturier or Shenn + JVR + 1st + Bobrovsky...
Just insane.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 20, 2012 13:38:40 GMT -5
Rumour going around that Burke offered up Kessel in a package for Nash.
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Post by jkr on Feb 20, 2012 13:46:46 GMT -5
Rumour going around that Burke offered up Kessel in a package for Nash. At his age, price & production I think I would take Kessel. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 20, 2012 13:53:46 GMT -5
Rumour going around that Burke offered up Kessel in a package for Nash. At his age, price & production I think I would take Kessel. Two different type players IMO, and I don't think Kessel's style of play is a favorite of Burkes. Where as Nash's is. I think I would go with Nash. |
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Post by blny on Feb 20, 2012 14:21:06 GMT -5
Burke is on record as squashing the rumour of speaking with Howson. Claims he was in NYC on unrelated bizz.
I'm not sure he wants to break up the Kessel Lupul combo. Maybe he's looking at a certain center in Columbus.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2012 16:41:17 GMT -5
Nash's agent spoke today. Said they'd prefer a deal by the deadline. If one doesn't happen, the list of teams Nash is willing to accept a deal to won't change, or increase in number.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 25, 2012 17:11:31 GMT -5
Burke is on record as squashing the rumour of speaking with Howson. Claims he was in NYC on unrelated bizz. I'm not sure he wants to break up the Kessel Lupul combo. Maybe he's looking at a certain center in Columbus. I'm thinking Burke needs a goaltender before anything else, but I have no way of knowing if this is a priority with him. Jonathan Bernier is apparently available if the price is right. Nash? I was listening to the 'panel of experts' on Sportsnet. One of them said that it would take three players on the current Leaf roster to land Nash. I honestly can't remember who those players were but I do remember thinking those three players were scrap. It would have been like the Thornton-to-SJ deal a few years back. Would like to have seen Carter in Montreal. Still can't believe the return on that one. What a sell job. Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2012 17:31:52 GMT -5
I keep bringing up Zach Parise, because I think if he was going to re-sign with NJ, he would have done it by now. It's a franchise that's not financially strong right now, and I would bet that's weighing on Parise's thinking. Just pay him enough and we've got ourselves someone not quite as good as Rick Nash, but only marginally so. And at a lot cheaper price. That could be what a lot of GM's are thinking, so CAP space is important. Again.
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Post by blny on Feb 25, 2012 17:55:30 GMT -5
Parise is making $6 million this year, and I'd imagine that's the sort of annual amount he's going to be looking for on a ltd. I would throw the same deal thrown to Cammalleri and see if it sticks.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 25, 2012 23:31:29 GMT -5
No, he's going to want more and I'd pay him. Give him Gomez money and send Gomer to Hamilton.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 26, 2012 12:02:31 GMT -5
I keep bringing up Zach Parise, because I think if he was going to re-sign with NJ, he would have done it by now. It's a franchise that's not financially strong right now, and I would bet that's weighing on Parise's thinking. Just pay him enough and we've got ourselves someone not quite as good as Rick Nash, but only marginally so. And at a lot cheaper price. That could be what a lot of GM's are thinking, so CAP space is important. Again. Probably have to overpay for Parise but I am okay with it as don't have to give up talent to acquire him. |
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Post by franko on Feb 26, 2012 15:14:35 GMT -5
So my wild prediction is Carter in LA and Nash in NY Carter is the Blue Jackets' Gomez. sure the cap hit is only $5.2 per, but it lasts until 2022. and LA has no cap space [sure they'll dump Penner, but they are going to have to sign a goalie in a couple of years and need space for that]. not so sure the first part of your wild prediction will come true. then again, who am I and what do I know? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 15, 2012 11:52:10 GMT -5
Well, he's in the news again. Right around draft time too. ========================================== Jackets talk Nash trade again?
By QMI Agency The Blue Jackets have been talking possible trade scenarios involving captain Rick Nash with as many as seven teams over the last 10 days, according to a report out of Columbus. The Dispatch reports NHL sources as saying general manager Scott Howson has had "significant" trade conversations for Nash, who is the heart of the franchise and has tallied 289 goals and 547 points in 674 career games. The New York Rangers look to be the top contender to add Nash. Other teams that have shown interest include San Jose, Philadelphia, Toronto and Carolina. Nash was the talk of the NHL trade deadline in February, but many teams felt the asking price for his services was too high. The asking price now looks to be the same as last February -- a number of forwards and possibly a defenceman in the mix. Howson said he has had "significantly more discussions this week" with fellow general managers, but would not comment specifically about Nash. slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Columbus/2012/06/15/19882401.html (link) |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 15, 2012 11:55:29 GMT -5
I wonder in The Blue Jackets would be interested in our pick for Nash? I'm sure it would take more, but it starts the conversation.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 15, 2012 12:31:20 GMT -5
Nash will be 28 this weekend.
He makes our Top 6 better immediately and for 6 years to come....and is closer to our core in terms of prime. If he's in the mix, maybe we CAN compete with DD and Pleks as 1 and 2.
Pacioretty-DD-Cole
Nash-Pleks-Gionta
I'd throw out that work ethic and heart against most teams.
Don't know what else would have to go with our third pick...but we'd be taking a HUGE cap hit away from them. Let's not get McDonaghed again.
That contract takes up a lot of the pie, though......tough call.
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