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Post by HabsGuy on Jun 9, 2004 14:07:07 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jun 9, 2004 17:59:28 GMT -5
They almost got it right.
St. Luis picks Chipchura .... we select Radulov! ;D
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jun 9, 2004 18:21:52 GMT -5
Big Bob owes me a lunch. Chicken bones say Habs nab Chimchurri, er Chipchura. Mmmm, chimchurri brushed chicken with Chipchura. |
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Post by blny on Jun 9, 2004 21:30:32 GMT -5
TSN thinks Keenan may deal the 7th pick. Would there be anyone above Chipchurra that would make a move up worth while? I kinda like Al Montoya. He really impressed me at the WJC. I realize we have Danis, Michaud, Garon, etc, but Montoya could make dealing Garon (which I think will happen before long) easier. Montoya could also be moved to a team desparate for help in goal ( *cough* Philly).
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 10, 2004 8:10:54 GMT -5
TSN thinks Keenan may deal the 7th pick. Would there be anyone above Chipchurra that would make a move up worth while? I kinda like Al Montoya. He really impressed me at the WJC. I realize we have Danis, Michaud, Garon, etc, but Montoya could make dealing Garon (which I think will happen before long) easier. Montoya could also be moved to a team desparate for help in goal ( *cough* Philly). I think TSN says Keenan might move the pick because everyone is convinced he is a "win-now" guy who is going to dump all the kids, trade for Brian Noonan and Stephane Matteau, and try to win the Cup next season. Personally, I don't think that's the case. Keenan, for all his faults, is actually a pretty smart guy, and I think he knows he has stumbled into a pretty fine situation for a GM; great young goalie, great young defenseman, great young forwards, great coach, little media pressure or expectations, weak(er) division. If he trades the pick, I think it will be for a package of youth, and not for the veteran scraps everybody is hoping he will be willing to take. Having said that, if the price was right, and either Laurie Tukonen, Andrew Ladd or Cam Barker were still available, I'd make a pitch... |
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Post by blaise on Jun 10, 2004 8:55:59 GMT -5
TSN thinks Keenan may deal the 7th pick. Would there be anyone above Chipchurra that would make a move up worth while? I kinda like Al Montoya. He really impressed me at the WJC. I realize we have Danis, Michaud, Garon, etc, but Montoya could make dealing Garon (which I think will happen before long) easier. Montoya could also be moved to a team desparate for help in goal ( *cough* Philly). Why would the Flyers trade with the Habs for the right to draft Montoya (after the Habs had traded for the pick) when they could deal directly with the Panthers without cutting in the middleman? What could the Habs get by trading the Panther pick to the Flyers? I don't see the logic of such a deal. Now, if Gainey wanted to move up to #7 and either keep or trade the player he drafted, what would he have to give the Panthers? I can't think of any Hab assets Keenan would covet that Gainey would be willing to cede (along with the #18 pick). Komisarek? Higgins? Perezhogin? Kastsitsyn? No way! How about Hainsey or Hossa? I don't think Keenan would want them. Perhaps Plekanec or even Ribeiro, but neither is an obvious choice for the Panthers. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 10, 2004 9:18:11 GMT -5
Now, if Gainey wanted to move up to #7 and either keep or trade the player he drafted, what would he have to give the Panthers? I can't think of any Hab assets Keenan would covet that Gainey would be willing to cede (along with the #18 pick). Komisarek? Higgins? Perezhogin? Kastsitsyn? No way! How about Hainsey or Hossa? I don't think Keenan would want them. Perhaps Plekanec or even Ribeiro, but neither is an obvious choice for the Panthers. Tough to say what they would want, or what we would be willing to give up. I don’t think Hainsey/Hossa will do it, as I think they will be looking for young, already established NHL players first. Our best trade baits then would be Zednik, Ryder, Bulis, Ribeiro, Komisarek and Markov. Scratch Komisarek. Scratch Zednik, because he is the closest thing we have to a consistent offensive force, and really, how much better is the draft pick going to be? Markov would probably be really attractive to the Panther, but our defense is weak enough, thank you very much. That leaves Ryder, Bulis and Ribeiro. Bulis I don’t think would be enough. He’s just a 3rd liner (thanks Doc). Not sure if appeals to the Panthers all that much, as it’s a deal with little upside for them. Course, that’s what everyone thought when the Bolts dealt the 4th overall for Ruslan Fedetenko, and that seemed to work out pretty good for them. Ryder is a tougher call. What’s his max? Are we looking at a 20-25 goal scorer? Or 30, 35, maybe more? He’s an old rookie, at 24, so there isn’t much physical development left for him to do. Ryder would be a great Keenan/Martin player, and they could use some offense from the wings (witness their great Donald Audette experiment last year). Ribeiro? Toughest call yet. Led the team in scoring, fan and media favourite, winner of the coveted “Most HabsRus Threads Per Player” award. He might do real well on a big team like Florida, where his lack of size and strength can be hidden better than it could be playing behind the Mighty Finn. Jokinen, Ribeiro, Horton, Cullen is very impressive depth down the middle, more so if they move Horton to wing, and go with Stephen Weiss as their 3rd line center. So I think it would take one of Ryder or Ribeiro, plus our 18th pick, to grab that number 7 spot. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 10, 2004 10:59:22 GMT -5
I think TSN says Keenan might move the pick because everyone is convinced he is a "win-now" guy who is going to dump all the kids, trade for Brian Noonan and Stephane Matteau, and try to win the Cup next season. Personally, I don't think that's the case. Keenan, for all his faults, is actually a pretty smart guy, and I think he knows he has stumbled into a pretty fine situation for a GM; great young goalie, great young defenseman, great young forwards, great coach, little media pressure or expectations, weak(er) division. If he trades the pick, I think it will be for a package of youth, and not for the veteran scraps everybody is hoping he will be willing to take. Having said that, if the price was right, and either Laurie Tukonen, Andrew Ladd or Cam Barker were still available, I'd make a pitch... If Keenan wants to win now, I'm sure Gainey could find something in the cupboard to give him to get his #1 next year. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 10, 2004 11:05:12 GMT -5
I think TSN says Keenan might move the pick because everyone is convinced he is a "win-now" guy who is going to dump all the kids, trade for Brian Noonan and Stephane Matteau, and try to win the Cup next season. Personally, I don't think that's the case. Keenan, for all his faults, is actually a pretty smart guy, and I think he knows he has stumbled into a pretty fine situation for a GM; great young goalie, great young defenseman, great young forwards, great coach, little media pressure or expectations, weak(er) division. If he trades the pick, I think it will be for a package of youth, and not for the veteran scraps everybody is hoping he will be willing to take. Having said that, if the price was right, and either Laurie Tukonen, Andrew Ladd or Cam Barker were still available, I'd make a pitch... One of Schremp, Valabik, Chipchura or Graham will be available. Not really bad for picking 18th. I would not be unhappy with any of these four as they all have size and skill. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 10, 2004 13:27:32 GMT -5
I think TSN says Keenan might move the pick because everyone is convinced he is a "win-now" guy who is going to dump all the kids, trade for Brian Noonan and Stephane Matteau, and try to win the Cup next season. Personally, I don't think that's the case. Keenan, for all his faults, is actually a pretty smart guy, and I think he knows he has stumbled into a pretty fine situation for a GM; great young goalie, great young defenseman, great young forwards, great coach, little media pressure or expectations, weak(er) division. If he trades the pick, I think it will be for a package of youth, and not for the veteran scraps everybody is hoping he will be willing to take. Having said that, if the price was right, and either Laurie Tukonen, Andrew Ladd or Cam Barker were still available, I'd make a pitch... Do we know that any of Tukonen, Ladd or Barker is as good as Ryder. Is anyone of them a sure thing to even star in the AHL let alone win "Rookie of the Year" in the NHL. No way do we risk a proven NHL player for a risky #7, not when #18 isn't that much worse than #7 in a weak draft. If we get one of Schremp, Valabik, Chipchura or Graham we are better off than trading up. Having said that, I would give up a lot for a shot at Crosby next year, even a long shot. |
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Post by HabbaDasher on Jun 11, 2004 10:44:04 GMT -5
The rationale used by TSN supposes that most teams draft in the first round according to immediate needs, when many teams adopt a BPA strategy in early rounds, and draft according to need in later rounds.
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Post by PTH on Jun 11, 2004 17:06:16 GMT -5
The rationale used by TSN supposes that most teams draft in the first round according to immediate needs, when many teams adopt a BPA strategy in early rounds, and draft according to need in later rounds. Exactly, and that's the very reason I don't look at mock drafts much anymore (other than BC's, of course) - they can get a decent ranking of players, but figuring out who our GM likes is nearly impossible. If they looked more at draft trends I'd already be more interested... |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jun 12, 2004 0:41:09 GMT -5
The rationale used by TSN supposes that most teams draft in the first round according to immediate needs, when many teams adopt a BPA strategy in early rounds, and draft according to need in later rounds. The TSN mock draft agrees with my pick, and until the actual event that's really all that matters  |
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 12, 2004 11:51:10 GMT -5
Exactly, and that's the very reason I don't look at mock drafts much anymore (other than BC's, of course) - they can get a decent ranking of players, but figuring out who our GM likes is nearly impossible. If they looked more at draft trends I'd already be more interested... Of course.  |
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