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Post by jkr on Jul 23, 2012 13:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jul 23, 2012 13:45:54 GMT -5
Dubinsky, Erixon and a first. Should be a reasonably high first. Don't know much about Tim Erixon. Dubinsky isn't elite imo. After all this time, is that really the best return, or is it more about Nash saying this is the only place I'm willing to go?
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Post by jkr on Jul 23, 2012 13:51:35 GMT -5
Dubinsky, Erixon and a first. Should be a reasonably high first. Don't know much about Tim Erixon. Dubinsky isn't elite imo. After all this time, is that really the best return, or is it more about Nash saying this is the only place I'm willing to go? plus Anisimov |
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Post by franko on Jul 23, 2012 13:57:36 GMT -5
that's it? they held on . . . for that?
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Post by sergejean on Jul 23, 2012 14:13:42 GMT -5
Wow! Apparently, BJ are adding a third round pick + a minor leaguer for Anisimov, Dubinsky, Erixon and a first? What a terrible trade for Columbus.
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Post by jkr on Jul 23, 2012 14:15:25 GMT -5
Wow! Apparently, BJ are adding a third round pick + a minor leaguer for Anisimov, Dubinsky, Erixon and a first? What a terrible trade for Columbus. It was bad when there was nothing other than Nash going to NY. This makes it even worse. You can't even call it quantity for qualty now. Howson is awful. CBJ fans were probably expecting guys like McDonagh or Del Zotto. They should storm the arena.  |
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Post by sergejean on Jul 23, 2012 14:22:10 GMT -5
I feel bad for the fans of Columbus. Talk about hurting a young franchise that could've become a fairly successful one if things were handled properly. With this deal, I'm afraid that we may be looking at yet another potential franchise to relocate elsewhere within the next 2-3 years... Sad.
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Post by franko on Jul 23, 2012 14:28:08 GMT -5
there will be no relocations . . . there are 30 healthy franchises . . . at least there will be after the next CBA is signed.
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Post by 24in93 on Jul 23, 2012 14:55:04 GMT -5
Does Columbus have anything on their roster we need? Sounds like a great time to call up Howson if I were MB. Brutal trade. After all that hype, what a letdown. This guy won't be keeping his job much longer if CBJ's ownership knows anything about anything.
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Post by blny on Jul 23, 2012 15:44:40 GMT -5
RJ Umberger wouldn't be a bad add.
Howson has to be the worst exec in the league. I know he's dealing from something of a position of weakness, but this is supposed to be a deal that sets up your franchise. There's nothing in this trade that really sets them up.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 23, 2012 15:45:25 GMT -5
that's it? they held on . . . for that? Just a waste of time and energy on Columbus' part. Full marks to New York for sticking it out. I just don't understand the reasoning behind the trade. Two things happened. The Rangers got better and the Blue Jackets got a little worse. Where's the business sense in that, especially when you gave up the face of your franchise? Dubinsky will help Columbus, no doubting that. But, Nash will be butting in passes from Brad Richards (nice fantasy pool returns coming from these guys, eh?). They've got Lindquist, McDonagh, Nash and Richards. They're going to be tough to stop in the East and they might be one of the few teams that will be able to compete with LA. That's how good the Rangers are going to be, IMHO. I'll have to check, but I think Columbus will have three first-rounders next year. One courtesy of the NYR. Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Jul 23, 2012 16:17:34 GMT -5
that's right, 3 first rounders
I guess CBJ thought they'd better get something.
NYR still has cap room for Doan [$13M]
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Post by seventeen on Jul 23, 2012 17:39:22 GMT -5
No one was willing to give up more than that? Would you have give up Pleks, Beaulieu, Leblanc, say and two of our second rounders? I would have.
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 23, 2012 17:45:42 GMT -5
Big markets are starting to get the edge again. All things being equal, athletes seem to be choosing the lifestyle that big markets can offer. Don't see Montreal at the top of the that list (although I personally love it)
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 23, 2012 19:05:00 GMT -5
I guess the Blue Jackets are back into full-blown rebuilding mode again. They actually have a nice looking blue line going forward, a good prospect in Dansk in nets, and a top 2, if not #1 center in Johansen. If you are believer in the "from the net out, and up the middle" philosophy of building a team then they are on their way. If they end up in lottery territory again and land say MacKinnon it could be a nice looking team in the future. Add a couple of more forwards with their other two first round picks, and maybe flip Dubinsky/Anisimov/Umberger for a couple more second round picks next year and a pretty nice foundation should be laid.
But it's going to take another 3-5 years, and I don't know if that franchise has that much time.
As for the Rangers, well, another Big Name for the Big Apple. Let's see how this one works out. They certainly have a lot of pieces there now.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 24, 2012 9:14:48 GMT -5
I guess Columbus is a pretty early lock for the choice between MacKinnon and Jones...unless they botch the lottery up again. Will they have any season ticket holders left?
As for the Rags, that is just unbelievable. Lots of star power there. They definitely seem to be back amongst the top desired destinations for UFAs and stars willing to waive their no-trade clauses. We need to get there eventually!!
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Post by seventeen on Jul 25, 2012 0:03:06 GMT -5
Howson may never get another job in hockey. Unless you're getting a potential stud like say, Subban, you don't give up a Nash. Dubinsky, nice player, Anisimov, nice player, Erixon, potential #4 dman, 25th plus pick in 2013, nice pick. Nash - game breaker. It doesn't compute. None of those 4 players, unless the draft choice turns out awesome, is going to make a material difference. Howson should have held out for at least one well above average player. McDonagh or Staal. Tell Sather to take a flying leap unless one of those two is in the mix. Simple.
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Post by franko on Jul 25, 2012 5:56:46 GMT -5
I agree, 17; however, that may have been the best he could do [what, even Burkie wouldn't pony up more?].
Everyone knew Nash was going to go somewhere, and the other GMs weren't going to sell the franchise -- or even near it -- when they knew Howson was in trouble.
Yup, blame all those coaches because your team is lousy.
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Post by sergejean on Jul 25, 2012 8:56:47 GMT -5
Franko, I agree with what you're saying, Howson had his hands tied. However, and this is where I believe he made a mistake, he didn't have to trade him right away. Nash agreed to a contract to stay in Columbus for another 5 years. Nobody forced him to do so and as such, it's up to him to remain professional and represent the organization until the very last day.
IMO, Howson should have met with the player and the agent and be brutally honest. This is the type of offer we're receiving right now and as you can appreciate the value just isn't there. I am willing to grant you your wishes and trade you to another organization however, and I'm sure you can understand that, I can't do so at the expense of the Blue Jacket's future.
So for now, you are expected to report to training camp. I will let you know as soon as I can reach a fair deal that meet both your needs and the organization's.
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Post by franko on Jul 25, 2012 9:11:51 GMT -5
definitely no disagreement there, SJ. At the same time, Howson did himself in last year when he started blathering about Nash demanding a trade/pointing the finger and saying he was innocent.
he's a twit trying to save his butt but if CBJ renew his contract the ownwers deserve to lose the team.
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Post by sergejean on Jul 25, 2012 9:24:09 GMT -5
Yep, I remember this episode. Never understood why it was in the Blue Jacket's best interest to go public about Nash requesting a trade unless as you said, it was an attempt by Howson to save his own ass. I agree he should have been fired this summer after last year's debacle. Looks like the ownership there either doesn't care or is totally clueless about hockey and the sports business in general.
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