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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 7, 2012 13:22:54 GMT -5
...latest internet buzz... Oils and HABs talking Yakupov/Subban
I can see the Galchenuyk-Yakupov scenario in Montreal but man our D would be really awful...
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Post by Roggy on Nov 7, 2012 14:50:58 GMT -5
I honestly don't see it now. Maybe before July 1, when they landed Justin Schultz, but he's DESTROYING the AHL as a rookie. They don't need Subban with Schultz and the other D prospects they have coming.
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Post by blny on Nov 7, 2012 20:20:53 GMT -5
As good as Yak is, I'd strongly consider it. It would have to be a guy of his caliber to make the move. I don't think Edmonton would see it as equal value though. I also don't think having Schultz would deter them from making a move for a Subban type if the players involved made sense to them.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 7, 2012 21:56:58 GMT -5
NFW.
PK is one of the most talented dmen in the league, IMO. A dynamic player with a skill set that is rare for the position. We all know about the attitude and the maturity, but PK is the kind of player you build around. I certainly wouldn't trade him for an unproven player like Yakupov, even if he did go #1 in the draft. This aint Sidney Crosby we're talking about.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 7, 2012 23:28:25 GMT -5
Subban is one of our future leaders, if he isn't a leader as it is now. He's also our best defenceman who is very close to being a big star.
He's learning what it means to be a Hab and he's a big part of our future. He can't go anywhere.
Cheers.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 8, 2012 8:46:15 GMT -5
Ordinarily it would be a **** no from me.
However...
Subban has been living it up this off season/lockout, doing This Hour has 22 Minutes, celebrity weather updates, TV commercials, George Strombo-Too-Many-Letters spots, and lord knows what else. His "Joel" is a Twitter sensation. Now that doesn't mean he hasn't been working hard - there was a TV spot on that too - but it does play into the "head's too big" reputation he seems to have. If he comes into camp and basically stinks it up because he hasn't been as focused as we thought he would be... heck, that's assuming he's even in camp; the kid still isn't signed after all.
It would be extremely risky of course, the kind of thing that would make or break your career and/or the franchise, but IF, and it's a colossally big IF, if they think he's going down the Higgins "Look at me!" path then now would be the best time to sell high.
I wouldn't do it. But...
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Post by halihab on Nov 8, 2012 10:11:08 GMT -5
No way in Hell do I trade PK.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 8, 2012 10:45:42 GMT -5
I fall firmly in the 'maybe' camp. For some of the reasons BC mentioned, and just gut feel. My trepidence arises from the fact Yakupov is Russian. Not crazy about that. Give me some other options, though, including the Oilers' first rounder this year and I'd be more intrigued.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 8, 2012 11:41:47 GMT -5
PK gets a bad rap. Gary Carter's nickname when he was playing was "Lights"..... the guy only ended up in the Hall of Fame. Tom Brady is globe-trotting with his super-model wife, appears on TV ads, magazine ads, etc..... and he's only one of the best quarterbacks of all time.
PK has a great personality..... OF COURSE he's going to be in high demand for ads, endorsements, appearances, etc. I don't give a crap about any of that as long as he brings it on the ice. Aside from some undisciplined play at times, I see no evidence of that. He's an All Star level talent, should be a lock for Team Canada at the next Olympics, he's still young, still has upside - why in the WORLD would you trade that away? The only way I even consider that is if we are getting guaranteed and young production back. A sign and trade for Jonathan Toews? Patrick Kane? I'll listen to that, but Nail Yakupov?? No way.
I'd try and lock him up sooner rather than later to Pacioretty type deal.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 8, 2012 12:20:38 GMT -5
Ordinarily it would be a **** no from me. However... Subban has been living it up this off season/lockout, doing This Hour has 22 Minutes, celebrity weather updates, TV commercials, George Strombo-Too-Many-Letters spots, and lord knows what else. His "Joel" is a Twitter sensation. Now that doesn't mean he hasn't been working hard - there was a TV spot on that too - but it does play into the "head's too big" reputation he seems to have. If he comes into camp and basically stinks it up because he hasn't been as focused as we thought he would be... heck, that's assuming he's even in camp; the kid still isn't signed after all. It would be extremely risky of course, the kind of thing that would make or break your career and/or the franchise, but IF, and it's a colossally big IF, if they think he's going down the Higgins "Look at me!" path then now would be the best time to sell high. I wouldn't do it. But... PK has panache and he's also the toast of downtown Montreal. Even with the budding-on/off-ice-star status I can't see his priorities changing (not that I know the kid at all). So long as he can back it up on the ice when the time comes, I hope he continues to be "the man about town" so to speak. BH, add John Traverese to your list. Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 8, 2012 16:08:39 GMT -5
Ordinarily it would be a **** no from me. However... Subban has been living it up this off season/lockout, doing This Hour has 22 Minutes, celebrity weather updates, TV commercials, George Strombo-Too-Many-Letters spots, and lord knows what else. His "Joel" is a Twitter sensation. Now that doesn't mean he hasn't been working hard - there was a TV spot on that too - but it does play into the "head's too big" reputation he seems to have. If he comes into camp and basically stinks it up because he hasn't been as focused as we thought he would be... heck, that's assuming he's even in camp; the kid still isn't signed after all. It would be extremely risky of course, the kind of thing that would make or break your career and/or the franchise, but IF, and it's a colossally big IF, if they think he's going down the Higgins "Look at me!" path then now would be the best time to sell high. I wouldn't do it. But... PK has panache and he's also the toast of downtown Montreal. Even with the budding-on/off-ice-star status I can't see his priorities changing (not that I know the kid at all). So long as he can back it up on the ice when the time comes, I hope he continues to be "the man about town" so to speak. BH, add John Traverese to your list. Cheers. Edit: ;D he probably drinks BEER too ... don't know what's become of our youth these days ... ;D |
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 10, 2012 14:10:59 GMT -5
Knowing our luck Yakupov would bolt back to Russia after 1 year in Montreal
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Post by stoat on Jan 6, 2013 22:24:27 GMT -5
I'd certainly consider it. I have three reasons, which I present in no particular order. The Habs need more scoring and Yakupov, reunited with Galchenyuk, would be two thirds of the line of the next decade. Yakupov is younger. He would be much easier to fit under the cap, at least for the next several years.
I don't think the Oilers would be willing--if they were they might have made that offer already. Good as Subban may be, I don't think he's a legitimate #1 overall in a strong draft year.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 6, 2013 22:57:47 GMT -5
I'd certainly consider it. I have three reasons, which I present in no particular order. The Habs need more scoring and Yakupov, reunited with Galchenyuk, would be two thirds of the line of the next decade. Yakupov is younger. He would be much easier to fit under the cap, at least for the next several years. I don't think the Oilers would be willing--if they were they might have made that offer already. Good as Subban may be, I don't think he's a legitimate #1 overall in a strong draft year. Depends on the length of contract and cap hit Subban signs for .... But right now, Yakupov counts for 3.775 million against the Oilers cap. In three years time, that will be much worse. People are expecting Subban to sign around 4 million, so I think that point is a wash. People keep forgetting that rookies have bonuses built into their contracts that must be counted towards the cap .... Unless this CBA eliminates that |
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Post by stoat on Jan 6, 2013 23:59:24 GMT -5
I'd certainly consider it. I have three reasons, which I present in no particular order. The Habs need more scoring and Yakupov, reunited with Galchenyuk, would be two thirds of the line of the next decade. Yakupov is younger. He would be much easier to fit under the cap, at least for the next several years. I don't think the Oilers would be willing--if they were they might have made that offer already. Good as Subban may be, I don't think he's a legitimate #1 overall in a strong draft year. Depends on the length of contract and cap hit Subban signs for .... But right now, Yakupov counts for 3.775 million against the Oilers cap. In three years time, that will be much worse. People are expecting Subban to sign around 4 million, so I think that point is a wash. People keep forgetting that rookies have bonuses built into their contracts that must be counted towards the cap .... Unless this CBA eliminates that I don't know. You may be right about that. It's difficult comparing Dmen with forwards but my impression is that Yakupov has a better skill set. On the other hand, Dmen log more ice time, and Subban is bigger and more physical. Despite his NHL experience, Subban still made a few rockhead plays last season. We don't have a similar line on Yakupov. In conclusion, I'd be willing to trade Subban if the right deal came along but I don't insist on it. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 7, 2013 0:03:23 GMT -5
I personally love Subban and everything he brings, plus he will be replacing Markov soon as the number 1 defenceman. If only he would stop being on Sportsnet getting his ego inflated even more.
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Post by blny on Jan 7, 2013 4:37:24 GMT -5
They hired him. It's not like he sought it out. According to producer Scott Moore, everyone on set enjoyed having him.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 10, 2013 17:16:50 GMT -5
IF contract talks got ugly is it more realistic to think this would work?....if you knew Markov was anywhere close to what he was and he could stay healthy it would make this aton easier
Saves you a ton of money gives you two studs up front and saves you the dollars you need over the next two years.
IF you can get cheaper options to fill on on the back end while they wait for Tinordi and Beaulieu you might be way better off?
Edmonton could use PK way more than Yakapov at this point.
Three years hence the Habs potentially would be way more dangerous?
Warming up to the idea
HFTO
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Post by franko on Jan 10, 2013 18:23:58 GMT -5
not sure about this one. Tinordi nor Beaulieu replace PK, and once Markov is gone [does he last the half-season?] what are we left with?
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Post by blny on Jan 10, 2013 18:32:47 GMT -5
Are we thin on D without him? Yes. For sure.
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Post by stoat on Feb 1, 2013 15:59:02 GMT -5
not sure about this one. Tinordi nor Beaulieu replace PK, and once Markov is gone [does he last the half-season?] what are we left with? We know where Subban will remain, so this becomes academic. However, it's interesting to look at what might have happened if the trade had been made. Yakupov was a #1 pick who clicked with Galchenyuk. They might have formed the offensive nucleus for a decade or more, like the Detroit pai. As for the D this season, who knows? Bergevin has assets he could trade. |
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