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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 12, 2013 16:30:02 GMT -5
Some internet buzz about Bergevin making a big push for Avs O'Reilly.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2013 16:39:59 GMT -5
Isn't Terry O'Reilly kind of old? He'd add toughness for sure  Ryan isn't the biggest guy though. Great skater. And Eller would have to be part of it. I'd be interested. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Feb 12, 2013 17:02:22 GMT -5
...and that O'Reilly doesn't hit anything. ...not big and plays even smaller...
...I don't see how getting a guy like that adresses anything...
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2013 17:58:48 GMT -5
Seems a lateral move to me. I'd wager the 'buzz' stems from the fact he's an RFA holdout, and at one point PK was too. Maybe if it was part of a package that brought in an Erik Johnson?
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 12, 2013 19:20:58 GMT -5
Some internet buzz about Bergevin making a big push for Avs O'Reilly. Isn't he in holdout on a bridge contract? If Habs can't pay Subban the big bucks how can they trade for O'Reilly then give him the big bucks? |
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Post by jkr on Feb 17, 2013 10:38:40 GMT -5
He was discussed on Hot Stove. As usual Stock was out of step, not knowing what the deal was here. But Healy & Weekes were raving about this guy. However, they do feel the Av's asking price is too high. I don't see enough Avalanche games to know. Maybe after last night, blowing a 4-1 lead & giving up 55 shots, they may be more inclined to deal.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 17, 2013 10:51:15 GMT -5
If he is dealt, and the media sure seem to think that is the most likely outcome now, he is going to cost the acquiring team dearly twice. The Avs are asking a high price in return, and this is a young guy who is holding out for a big contract.
That doesn't sound like a Bergevin type of deal to me.
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Post by blny on Feb 17, 2013 11:46:34 GMT -5
I really don't understand all the fuss about this kid. He's not all that big. He doesn't play big. He's never scored 20 goals at any significant level of hockey, and only once approached a ppg level. Yet here he is holding out for a big pay day.
I wouldn't trade for a holdout unless I had a deal in place first. I wouldn't sign this kid do the deal he wants because it would send an awful message to the players in the room - most especially Subban.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 17, 2013 13:21:27 GMT -5
Is it possible O'Reilly just wants out of Denver?
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 17, 2013 13:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 17, 2013 16:27:27 GMT -5
...and that O'Reilly doesn't hit anything. ...not big and plays even smaller... ...I don't see how getting a guy like that adresses anything... Good points, Doc. Cheers. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 28, 2013 17:59:41 GMT -5
Calgary sent offer sheet:
O'Reilly will make $1 million in base salary for 2012-13 with a signing bonus worth $2.5 million. His 2013-14 salary will be $6.5 million.
Colorado has seven days to match the offer or accept compensation from the Flames. Should the Avalanche choose not to match the offer-sheet they would receive Calgary's first- and third-round choices at the 2013 NHL Draft.
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Post by blny on Feb 28, 2013 18:36:06 GMT -5
Wow. Mortgaging two picks in a very deep draft for a two year deal on a guy that isn't a first line center. If I'm the Avs I let him walk.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 28, 2013 23:52:20 GMT -5
Yeah, me too. In a normal draft, Colorado would have to match. In this year's draft, it's a more difficult decision. It depends so much on where Calgary is going to end up. They're not that good a team, so I would guess bottom half of the league, which means a top 15 pick. If they have some injuries or bad luck, that could be top 10. The wild card is Hartley. He manages to get the most out of his players. If Colorado places more emphasis on $$ than hockey, then they let Reilly walk. This is more about desperation on Calgary's part than about good hockey or financial management. I never had much confidence in Feaster, anyway. Tough call, IMO. No sooner do I say that, than the Avalanche match; www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417051 |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 1, 2013 13:00:08 GMT -5
Why the hell are team so stupid and make it so expensive for other teams? They should make it far more expensive in terms of 1st rounders.
2m 1 x 1st
3m 2 x 1st
4m 3 x 1st
5m 4 x 1st
6m 5 x 1st
You better be getting a franchise player to anything past 5 million.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2013 14:53:13 GMT -5
Wow. Mortgaging two picks in a very deep draft for a two year deal on a guy that isn't a first line center. If I'm the Avs I let him walk. You'd think, eh? What would it take to become a GM in the NHL these days? Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Mar 1, 2013 15:09:54 GMT -5
Wow. Mortgaging two picks in a very deep draft for a two year deal on a guy that isn't a first line center. If I'm the Avs I let him walk. You'd think, eh? What would it take to become a GM in the NHL these days? Cheers. I'm going back to school for a business degree. I think I might be over qualified when I'm done. |
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Post by HFTO on Mar 1, 2013 18:16:14 GMT -5
I may have taken the picks.
HFTO
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 2, 2013 9:55:30 GMT -5
I may have taken the picks. HFTO Gonna be 2 or 3 years before Colorado had those picks contributing at a level of a O'Reilly. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 2, 2013 11:09:12 GMT -5
There is a positive to this. Everyone in the league just got a wake-up call. The last time I can remember everyone sitting up and taking notice of a rule was when Ron Hainsey was claimed by Columbus on re-entry waivers.
So, what do you say to your GM if you're the Calgary organization?
Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Mar 2, 2013 11:11:23 GMT -5
There is a positive to this. Everyone in the league just got a wake-up call. The last time I can remember everyone sitting up and taking notice of a rule was when Ron Hainsey was claimed by Columbus on re-entry waivers. So, what do you say to your GM if you're the Calgary organization? You're fired! |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 2, 2013 12:32:54 GMT -5
I'm very surprised that the Avs matched right away. I would have waited the week that they were allowed to think it over, and see what happened to Calgary during that time-frame. If the Flames lose all three of their games that they had, then that might have persuaded me to take the picks.
And as for Feaster not knowing about the waiver rule... man what a colossal can of worms that would have opened. What would the rules have been if some other team had claimed him? Could THEY have traded him? Imagine if the Avs had of made a side deal with, say Washington? The Avs don't match and get a 1st and 3rd from Calgary; Washington claims O'Reilly off of waivers; Washington then trades O'Reilly to the Avs for Calgary's 3rd round pick... Avs get a 1st AND O'Reilly, the Capitals get a 3rd for free, and the Flames get to be the laughingstock of the league... Bettman almost certainly would have had to step in.
What a joke.
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 2, 2013 14:57:52 GMT -5
I believe there is a one year no trade clause with who ever signed him. What I found interesting was that there were reportedly 4 other teams interested in putting an offer in so it wasn't just Feaster who misunderstood the rule.
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Post by Roggy on Mar 2, 2013 16:41:38 GMT -5
I'm very surprised that the Avs matched right away. I would have waited the week that they were allowed to think it over, and see what happened to Calgary during that time-frame. If the Flames lose all three of their games that they had, then that might have persuaded me to take the picks. And as for Feaster not knowing about the waiver rule... man what a colossal can of worms that would have opened. What would the rules have been if some other team had claimed him? Could THEY have traded him? Imagine if the Avs had of made a side deal with, say Washington? The Avs don't match and get a 1st and 3rd from Calgary; Washington claims O'Reilly off of waivers; Washington then trades O'Reilly to the Avs for Calgary's 3rd round pick... Avs get a 1st AND O'Reilly, the Capitals get a 3rd for free, and the Flames get to be the laughingstock of the league... Bettman almost certainly would have had to step in. What a joke. Supposedly Colorado didn't understand the waiver rule either. Bob MacKenzie floated this idea on the radio after the fact. Colorado could have gone to Columbus, let them know they (Avs) could match the offer or take the picks in which case, Columbus would have had first dibs when he hit the waiver wire. Colorado could have said to Columbus, "OK, trade us Ryan Johansen for a 5th round pick, and we'll decline to match. Columbus can then claim O'Reilly and take the guaranteed player." In that scenario, Colorado ends up with Calgary's 1st and 3rd, plus Ryan Johansen from Columbus. Columbus ends up with O'Reilly and Colorado's 5th, and Calgary ends up down a 1st and 3rd with nothing to show for it. Would have loved to see Feaster's interpretation of the rules if that had gone down. |
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