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Post by legaspesien on Sept 24, 2004 8:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by Rimmer on Sept 24, 2004 9:22:45 GMT -5
i don't get it  does that mean he signed a separate contract with the Dogs? can he do that? R. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 24, 2004 9:25:22 GMT -5
Hainsey in Hamilton, that is really good news for the Bulldogs, as their defence is taking shape nicely.
Also good to hear Hossa looking to play in Slovakia...keep playing at a competitive level young man.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 24, 2004 11:02:10 GMT -5
i don't get it does that mean he signed a separate contract with the Dogs? can he do that? R. I think that's what he must have had to have done. His contract with Montréal was signed under the old CBA which is no longer in effect, and that contract has not yet been ratified under the new CBA because it does not exist.  |
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Post by Goldthorpe on Sept 24, 2004 13:30:36 GMT -5
Good news! His offense will be really useful in Hamilton. Aside from him, do they have any potential PP quaterback? I guess Komi could have done the job...
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Post by Habit on Sept 24, 2004 14:30:28 GMT -5
I think that's what he must have had to have done. His contract with Montréal was signed under the old CBA which is no longer in effect, and that contract has not yet been ratified under the new CBA because it does not exist. Couldn't Beauchemin have done the same thing? OT: Is theat the magic pretzel so often spoke about on a different board? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 24, 2004 16:40:47 GMT -5
Couldn't Beauchemin have done the same thing?  Maybe he just liked his odds of ending up in the NHL better by not agreeing to do so. That is my pretzel. I'll let you know if it's magic or not when I've finished it. |
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Post by montreal on Sept 24, 2004 19:56:27 GMT -5
i don't get it does that mean he signed a separate contract with the Dogs? can he do that? R. Yes he's signed an AHL deal, so he's a part of Hamilton like Plante and Carpentier are and Cote was last year. I've heard a rumor that Chris Chelios might sign an AHL contract with Norfolk, althoug it's just a rumor. |
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Post by mic on Sept 25, 2004 6:36:23 GMT -5
Yes he's signed an AHL deal, so he's a part of Hamilton like Plante and Carpentier are and Cote was last year. I've heard a rumor that Chris Chelios might sign an AHL contract with Norfolk, althoug it's just a rumor. So the waiver rule doesn't make sense anymore, exept that the player must agree to play in the AHL ? |
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Post by montreal on Sept 25, 2004 6:46:37 GMT -5
So the waiver rule doesn't make sense anymore, exept that the player must agree to play in the AHL ? No waivers if you sign an AHL deal. |
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Post by Habit on Sept 25, 2004 7:12:09 GMT -5
No waivers if you sign an AHL deal. So... maybe it was Beauchemin that had asked Gainey to put him on waivers, knowing that Ron would be looked at before him as the 6th - 7th D man, and he just wated to continue his career? Kind of like the Garon trade. Let the guy who is good enough to play, play the game instead of stagnating in the AHL. Good luck Beau! |
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Post by mic on Sept 25, 2004 7:18:50 GMT -5
No waivers if you sign an AHL deal. So basically the situation Beauchemin faced doesn't make sense. Either he didn't want to play for the Dogs and was hoping to be claimed (not likely at all), or the Habs couldn't find an agreement to sign him to an AHL deal and were willing to risk to lose him to another team. It seems like the Habs could have find a way to keep Beauchemin in the organisation. |
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Post by Habit on Sept 25, 2004 13:46:49 GMT -5
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Post by montreal on Sept 25, 2004 15:52:30 GMT -5
So basically the situation Beauchemin faced doesn't make sense. Either he didn't want to play for the Dogs and was hoping to be claimed (not likely at all), or the Habs couldn't find an agreement to sign him to an AHL deal and were willing to risk to lose him to another team. It seems like the Habs could have find a way to keep Beauchemin in the organisation. No it makes perfect sense. Beauchemin in order to play in Hamilton had to clear waivers by the 16th. All players that needed to clear waivers to play in the AHL, had to do so by the 16th. So the Canadiens sent him down to play in Hamilton, but after clearing waivers last year he didn't this year. It would have been wise not to send him down and just let him sign a contract with Hamilton, but I don't know why they didn't chose this option. Perhaps they were unsure of what the rules would be, as the NHLPA said they wouldn't get in the way of any player that wanted to play in the AHL, as it was unsure what side they would take. In the past strike, anyone with over 50 NHL games played wasn't allowed to play in the AHL during the strike. I know at the end of the season, it was speculated that they might use that rule again, and I had heard that the Sabers sent down Derick Roy so he could play in the AHL this year. |
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 26, 2004 8:44:01 GMT -5
Can't say I like that bit of information. Sure makes it seem like the Habs got outsmarted by the Blue Jackets... Unless this whole "sign players to AHL contracts" thing was only discovered in the last couple of weeks, I would think the Habs would have thought of this option for Beauchemin, along with Hainsey. But that can't be right, as Dominek Hasek has been saying for a couple of months now he would play in the AHL. Obviously there had to of been some mechanism that would slip him through waivers, no? I don't know. Looks like we may have lost a defenseman for nothing. I hate losing defensemen, especially the young ones... |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 26, 2004 8:51:13 GMT -5
Can't say I like that bit of information. Sure makes it seem like the Habs got outsmarted by the Blue Jackets... Unless this whole "sign players to AHL contracts" thing was only discovered in the last couple of weeks, I would think the Habs would have thought of this option for Beauchemin, along with Hainsey. But that can't be right, as Dominek Hasek has been saying for a couple of months now he would play in the AHL. Obviously there had to of been some mechanism that would slip him through waivers, no? I don't know. Looks like we may have lost a defenseman for nothing. I hate losing defensemen, especially the young ones... The Beauchemin Factor is being forgotten in this. Given the circumstances: being put on waivers by the Habs (basically a vote of non-confidence), being claimed by Columbus (a vote of confidence), being kept on the active roster to prevent a Montréal reclaim (another vote of confidence), being offered a safe AHL-only contract with the inherent promise of an NHL spot waiting for him (another vote of confidence). Columbus 3 Montréal 1. |
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Post by PTH on Sept 26, 2004 12:54:40 GMT -5
Can't say I like that bit of information. Sure makes it seem like the Habs got outsmarted by the Blue Jackets... ...... I don't know. Looks like we may have lost a defenseman for nothing. I hate losing defensemen, especially the young ones... Well, it might have something to do with post-lockout issues as well. BG may well have figured that Beauchemin had better odds of going through before rather than after labor problems, and once he'd passed, we could leave him down there. When the lockout ends, Hainsey has to come up because his NHL contract (with waiver provisions and the like) will be in force again. I'm just speculating wildly, of course. |
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Post by legaspesien on Sept 26, 2004 15:58:57 GMT -5
Is it possible that the Hainsey signing as to do something with a VOLANTARY sygning and assesment in the minors,that in thosse case the waivers rule doesn't apply
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Post by montreal on Sept 26, 2004 19:15:29 GMT -5
Is it possible that the Hainsey signing as to do something with a VOLANTARY sygning and assesment in the minors,that in thosse case the waivers rule doesn't apply There's no waviers cause it's an AHL deal. There's no waivers for any player since the CBA is over. This means no NHL player that needs to clear waivers can play in the AHL this year unless they already cleared or if they bypass their NHL contracts by signing an AHL contract at an AHL rate. Any player can sign with an AHL team at an AHL rate. This is how I understand it, but I could be wrong since the rules are unclear. |
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Post by mic on Sept 30, 2004 13:25:02 GMT -5
It looks like there are troubles with Hainsey's contract with the Dogs : www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/article/1,154,1881,092004,804225.shtml Well... I still hope that Hainsey can prove that he can be a successful NHLer. However, I suspect that Gainey is getting tired. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Sept 30, 2004 14:45:55 GMT -5
It looks like there are troubles with Hainsey's contract with the Dogs : www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/article/1,154,1881,092004,804225.shtml Well... I still hope that Hainsey can prove that he can be a successful NHLer. However, I suspect that Gainey is getting tired. Ah yes, Hainsey and his by now famous insouciance. La-dee-da... |
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Post by blaise on Sept 30, 2004 15:00:29 GMT -5
By now, Hainsey has had both AHL and NHL experience. He's being given a golden opportunity to shine against solid competition. The AHL should be stronger this season than last because the parent clubs are lending their farm teams young players of NHL caliber during the lockout. If he doesn't have a more than respectable season this time, the doubts about his future will compound.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 30, 2004 22:59:40 GMT -5
No doubts. If he doesn't pick it up this year, we'll trade him in an eye blink to the beleaguered Leafs for their 1st round picks in the next 8 years. A match made in heaven. And a final nail in the coffin for Reggie...if both his 2001 1st round picks flame out.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2004 7:22:51 GMT -5
With Beauchemin gone and Hainsey apparently still living in a world of his own creation, who replaces Q on the big league roster? Looks like Gainey will have to go outside for a solution.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 1, 2004 9:30:45 GMT -5
With Beauchemin gone and Hainsey apparently still living in a world of his own creation, who replaces Q on the big league roster? Looks like Gainey will have to go outside for a solution. Well, I just hope once Hainsey completes his "commitments" this weekend and finally gets around to signing his AHL contract, and that he sees this is as a rare opportunity for him. With the big boys scattered across the globe or else playing in some charity fun matches, the most competitive hockey on this continent is beckoning him, and a top spot and top ice time in front of the Habs brass is there for his taking (I would imagine management will spend a lot more time in the stands watching Hamilton this season). Gainey opened that door for Hainsey by not re-signing Quintal, and later signing our lanky yankie to a one-way contract. IMO, that door only stays open so long, and a big part would be a solid performance this year as a top defender in a super-charged AHL. The door is still open, but I swear I heard it creak as it closed a tad just after Gainey read those lovely Hainsey media sound bites. I sure hope the real discussions between the two parties behind the scenes, and out of the media, is a lot more comforting for boss man Bob. Hmmm, Gainey thinks to himself: Hey Mark, do you want a change of scenery from Zurich for a while? |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 1, 2004 11:34:57 GMT -5
Hmmm, Gainey thinks to himself: Hey Mark, do you want a change of scenery from Zurich for a while?  It's a sad comment, but I completely forgot about Karl Dykhuis, who the Habs kept on their active roster. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 5, 2004 18:23:04 GMT -5
-0- Hainsey with the dogs? -0- Hainsey in the doghouse? -0- Hainsey a dog? -0- All of the above?  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 5, 2004 20:51:19 GMT -5
-0- Hainsey in the doghouse? Sure beats the apartment.  |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Oct 13, 2004 10:46:06 GMT -5
HAINSEY SIGNS WITH BULLDOGS Tue, October 12, 2004 The Hamilton Bulldogs announced today they have signed defenceman Ron Hainsey to a contract. Hainsey, a 23-year-old native of Bolton, Connecticut, enters his third season with the Bulldogs. Last season he played in 54 games in Hamilton, registering 31 points on 7 goals and 24 assists, while accumulating 35 minutes in penalties. The 6’3, 211 pound defenceman also saw action in 11 games with the Montreal Canadiens in 2004-05, recording one goal and one assist, along with four penalty minutes. The Montreal Canadiens selected Hainsey in the first round, 13th overall, in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft. - www.canoe.ca/Bulldogs/News/2004/10/12/666385.html |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 14, 2004 17:14:31 GMT -5
Ron Hainsey!
Would you rent an apartment to this man?
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does that mean he signed a separate contract with the Dogs? can he do that?
