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Post by Forum Ghost on Jul 2, 2013 16:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 2, 2013 17:11:29 GMT -5
Ugh...at least get bigger!
Gave up 2" on that deal.
Thomas is 5'9", 170.
2 years younger.....but what's the real upside?
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 2, 2013 17:23:47 GMT -5
We heard rumours of Kristo trade last week. Don't know Thomas so can't comment on him. Must be more to trade than we know as side ways move at best. Strange to dump Kristo after much hype and only 9 pro games. He may have asked out.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 2, 2013 18:17:25 GMT -5
Another WTF moment from Houle V2. Why not go for the Undertaker? The kid is huge Habs fan, huge at 6'4" and 235......and as nasty as they get. Probably already a top 10 NHL fighter.
Mehhh move for mehhh GM.
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 2, 2013 18:24:08 GMT -5
Looking forward to the McDonagh/Kristo tandem on the PP. What another player refused to play in Montreal? Why would Sather do this deal unless he was getting the better player? I don't get it
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Post by Cranky on Jul 2, 2013 19:05:56 GMT -5
This is what Houle 2 traded away. |
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2013 19:26:15 GMT -5
I can find a compilation video too.
No idea the reasoning behind it. Thomas has pedigree. Shoots the puck like his old man did. Put up strong numbers in junior, though he dipped the year after his draft. 35 points in your first pro season is nothing to sneeze at. That put him 4th on the team in scoring.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 2, 2013 19:42:09 GMT -5
Not a bad scrapper for a little guy too. Limited action mind you, but two of the three are entertaining tilts.
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Post by jkr on Jul 2, 2013 21:01:29 GMT -5
This is what Houle 2 traded away. C'mon. The only problem here is that the Habs play in the NHL, not the NCAA. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 2, 2013 21:04:19 GMT -5
From what I can pick up on Twitter, this is more of an off ice issue than anything else. Seems like the team wasn't happy with some off ice decisions.
At least Thomas has a year of AHL hockey behind him.
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Post by jkr on Jul 2, 2013 21:07:46 GMT -5
Another WTF moment from Houle V2. Why not go for the Undertaker? The kid is huge Habs fan, huge at 6'4" and 235......and as nasty as they get. Probably already a top 10 NHL fighter. Mehhh move for mehhh GM. Haven't they tried this before with Laraque. It was a disaster & not worth trying again. Disappointing to see you're giving up on the GM after about one year on the job. Any comparisons to Houle, a salesman with no NHL management experience, are absurd. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2013 21:11:38 GMT -5
I don't mind Thomas' stats, I just don't like them in a 5'9" body. Is that all we could get for Kristo? Is his character that flawed?
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Post by jkr on Jul 2, 2013 21:14:14 GMT -5
I don't mind Thomas' stats, I just don't like them in a 5'9" body. Is that all we could get for Kristo? Is his character that flawed? He's 23 years old & has played 9 AHL games. Not exactly a hot commodity. |
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Post by blny on Jul 2, 2013 21:45:39 GMT -5
Enough with the Houle2 rhetoric too. Comparing Bergevin to him is insulting.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 2, 2013 22:10:42 GMT -5
One element in a player that is certainly crucial to Bergevin is "character" both on and off-ice.
If Kristo doesn't have it and Thomas does....then it's welcome to Christian....and I hope he's as skilled and as game as was the old man.
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Post by frozone on Jul 2, 2013 22:31:46 GMT -5
Gotta admit, I don't really know anything about Thomas, but I'm having a hard time liking this trade. Kristo is one of the best skating prospects I've seen, and his hands are lightning fast too. I never like seeing those skills get traded to a different team.
I would have preferred using Kristo to trade up in the draft, although I assume is what Bergevin had tried to do.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 2, 2013 23:05:46 GMT -5
Whatever ... I thought Kristo was getting left behind with the talent Bergevin is bringing in.
Don't know this new guy. He's another smurf.
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2013 0:17:53 GMT -5
From an asset management standpoint, it's puzzling. Kristo has some serious skills and while he would have been in a dogfight with several of our 2nd tier prospects (Bournival, Dumont et al), he's still a worthwhile prospect (though he is 23 now). I would have thought you'd do better than a small, feisty guy who could be a career AHL'er, despite being as competitive as he is.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 3, 2013 2:29:02 GMT -5
Haven't they tried this before with Laraque. It was a disaster & not worth trying again. Disappointing to see you're giving up on the GM after about one year on the job. Any comparisons to Houle, a salesman with no NHL management experience, are absurd. Tried by who? Gainey? If Gainey did his homework, he would of known that BGL was on the downside and he really didn't like fighting anymore. So Gainey gave him a retirement contract to thank him for all the good work he did a decade earlier. Compare that with Bordeleau and why the Avs gave him a three year contract. As for the Houle comparisons, I'll wait until MB does something above what any person with two firing neurons would do. Otherwise all I hear about is "too expensive". |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 3, 2013 4:13:15 GMT -5
From an asset management standpoint, it's puzzling. Kristo has some serious skills and while he would have been in a dogfight with several of our 2nd tier prospects (Bournival, Dumont et al), he's still a worthwhile prospect (though he is 23 now). I would have thought you'd do better than a small, feisty guy who could be a career AHL'er, despite being as competitive as he is. We have DD, Gionta, Ghallegher, Pleks, Boullion, Dumont who are under 5'9" or less. Anther 4-5 at 6 ft or less. He just had a draft where size was the main theme. We have very well known issues with grit and size. And what did MB just do? Out of a few hundred players out there in minors and NHL, we got what? To put where? |
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Post by sergejean on Jul 3, 2013 7:42:20 GMT -5
Guys, we can't be judging every trade according to the size of the players involved. As much as we should try and add some sandpaper and size to the organization, discarding players solely based on size is certainly not the solution. For all we know, we could be getting a superior player regardless of his size.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 3, 2013 7:48:42 GMT -5
Thomas scored 50 goals a couple of seasons ago, and had a fine AHL rookie year. He's probably not a replacement for anything other than an AHL vet, or maybe Yanick Weber on the point during the power-play, but so what? Kristo probably wasn't the solution either. Kristo seems like a headcase, is already 23 years old and was less than stellar in his very brief AHL sojourn. He's got some skills, but his character is very questionable (suspended twice last year by his own team, if I am not mistaken, and the Kristo 'gaffes' are well known). From what I've seen Thomas seems to be grittier anyways. If Kristo puts it together between the ears he can have a nice NHL career. Otherwise he's just another in a long line of talented headcases that drift away. At least in this deal we got the younger player.
We got a 5'9 player for Kristo because I would imagine that's all anybody would offer for him. Hockey's Future hyperbole aside I just don't see there being all that much interest in a guy like him. It would be like us giving up something significant for Rylan Schwartz. And if you're asking "who is Rylan Schwart?" the answer is "the 23 year old who beat Kristo for the WCHA scoring championship."
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Post by frozone on Jul 3, 2013 8:58:58 GMT -5
If you're 5'9" 165 lbs and you get drafted 40th overall, you're probably an amazing player.
He sounds similar to Gallagher but probably has some better tools. There's still a couple of things I want to find out about his game: How fast is he? And does he play the perimeter or does he attack the net?
Also, its a good sign that the Rangers fans are upset.
This is probably a good trade but I'm still unhappy.
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Post by Patty Roy on Jul 3, 2013 9:07:36 GMT -5
I have no issue with us moving Kristo, frankly i think he's acted like an idiot the last few years and doesn't strike me as ever being much of a pro.
And i have no issue with Thomas either...i've liked him as a prospect and think he easily has as much potential as Kristo.
My problem with this one is once again fit for the organization. In a buble the trade is fine, but with the Habs org reality i just don't like the fit. In a Kristo trade i gladly would have sacrificed talent for size/grit. For example, why not try to move him to a team like the Hawks for Kyle Beach? Change of scenery type of deal.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 3, 2013 9:56:26 GMT -5
I never thought Kristo fit into the Habs plans. Not overly upset either way on this one, as I don't think Thomas fits into our plans either. I think this was just MB moving a potential bad egg for the new wave of prospects.
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2013 10:50:37 GMT -5
Thomas is already in town. He took the red eye to get in for the dev camp.
Anyone have articles elaborating on Kristo's misgivings? If I was aware, I've forgotten the details.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 3, 2013 11:48:12 GMT -5
Thomas is already in town. He took the red eye to get in for the dev camp. Anyone have articles elaborating on Kristo's misgivings? If I was aware, I've forgotten the details. Well there was the "snow-toes" incident, in which Kristo walked home in the middle of a North Dakota blizzard, lost a shoe, and ended up in the hospital with severe frost-bite. Almost lost some toes on that one. Alcohol seems to have been the primary factor in that situation. www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/118281019.htmlThen he seemed to get suspended by his own team for underage drinking, for one exhibition game in 2010. www.habsindepth.com/content/habs-prospect-danny-kristo-gets-1-game-suspensionThen he was involved in a party-gone-bad, which may or may not have been a hazing ritual. The police ended up being called, and one member of his team ended up in the hospital with alcohol poisoning. Kristo was cited by the police for supplying alcohol to an underage minor, and was susequently suspended by his team, along with four others. Kristo was then suspended AGAIN for an unknown matter, but which apparently was unrelated to the party. www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/170787726.htmlA lot of his problems seem to revolve around alcohol. Now either he has a problem, or has just been very unlucky and in the wrong place at the wrong time. We all know college kids drink, a lot, but when it keeps coming back on you... Bergevin was quite poignant when he stated that they had traded for a kid "with good character". I don't know if that was a shot at Kristo or not, but where there is smoke... |
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Post by blny on Jul 3, 2013 11:51:06 GMT -5
Thanks BC. That's a definite trend, and not a good one.
I hope that someone close to Kristo sits him down if, in fact, there is a problem. It would certainly appear so.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 3, 2013 13:20:05 GMT -5
Thomas is already in town. He took the red eye to get in for the dev camp. Anyone have articles elaborating on Kristo's misgivings? If I was aware, I've forgotten the details. Well there was the "snow-toes" incident, in which Kristo walked home in the middle of a North Dakota blizzard, lost a shoe, and ended up in the hospital with severe frost-bite. Almost lost some toes on that one. Alcohol seems to have been the primary factor in that situation. www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/118281019.htmlThen he seemed to get suspended by his own team for underage drinking, for one exhibition game in 2010. www.habsindepth.com/content/habs-prospect-danny-kristo-gets-1-game-suspensionThen he was involved in a party-gone-bad, which may or may not have been a hazing ritual. The police ended up being called, and one member of his team ended up in the hospital with alcohol poisoning. Kristo was cited by the police for supplying alcohol to an underage minor, and was susequently suspended by his team, along with four others. Kristo was then suspended AGAIN for an unknown matter, but which apparently was unrelated to the party. www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/170787726.htmlA lot of his problems seem to revolve around alcohol. Now either he has a problem, or has just been very unlucky and in the wrong place at the wrong time. We all know college kids drink, a lot, but when it keeps coming back on you... Bergevin was quite poignant when he stated that they had traded for a kid "with good character". I don't know if that was a shot at Kristo or not, but where there is smoke... Assuming that is all true, the argument that we are getting more of what we don't need still stands. 3 of the new draft choices are in the same category. We have 5/6 in the NHL already. The only argument would be that we got BPA for the trade. Sure. But it's not that we were looking at a high end trade and BPA would make an asset management impact. Why not offer him for Bordeleau? Or a kid with a ton of grit? At that level of "risk and value", to me it's better to fill a need then to look for equal value. |
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Post by sergejean on Jul 3, 2013 16:25:24 GMT -5
While I agree with you Cranky, it takes two to tango and I doubt very much that the Avs were ready to move Bordeleau for Kristo. Just the same, I doubt MB would be willing to trade Prust against Mason Raymond for example even though Raymond would appear to have more "talent".
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