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Post by seventeen on Nov 8, 2013 19:14:59 GMT -5
In a TSN story, he suggests he was a healthy scratch in the last game. Sounds like a difference of opinion with Claude Noel. If he's available and I have no idea at all that is the case, would you swap Patches for him even up?
I would, but it won't happen as Berg will not take on anyone with any possibility of high maintenance.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 8, 2013 19:17:24 GMT -5
I wouldn't....Kane's attitude strikes me odd. Noticed it before. Don't want core player like that
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Post by blny on Nov 8, 2013 20:13:25 GMT -5
Kane's a talented guy, but his attitude is a question. He's got a smugness about him, aside from posing for a picture in Las Vegas with two stacks of cash.
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Post by jkr on Nov 8, 2013 20:50:32 GMT -5
In a TSN story, he suggests he was a healthy scratch in the last game. Sounds like a difference of opinion with Claude Noel. If he's available and I have no idea at all that is the case, would you swap Patches for him even up? I would, but it won't happen as Berg will not take on anyone with any possibility of high maintenance. I wouldn't do it either - especially for Pacioretty. Plus his contract runs to 2017 with a 5.2 million cap hit. |
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Post by Disp on Nov 9, 2013 9:49:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't do it for Pacs, but if they're interested in any combo of smurfs, get it done.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 9, 2013 11:09:04 GMT -5
While Ed Snider is still ticked , I'd inquire about Claude Giroux.
I'd offer Fucale, our first, and maybe even McCarron.
They'd have their goalie, another possible LeClair and we'd have our premiere player. Yes he isn't playing well this year, but look at that team.
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Post by jkr on Nov 9, 2013 12:30:57 GMT -5
While Ed Snider is still ticked , I'd inquire about Claude Giroux. I'd offer Fucale, our first, and maybe even McCarron. They'd have their goalie, another possible LeClair and we'd have our premiere player. Yes he isn't playing well this year, but look at that team. With the way the Flyers are playing I think Snider is going to be in a state of perpetual agitation all season.  |
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Post by Andrew on Nov 9, 2013 13:07:04 GMT -5
While Ed Snider is still ticked , I'd inquire about Claude Giroux. I'd offer Fucale, our first, and maybe even McCarron. They'd have their goalie, another possible LeClair and we'd have our premiere player. Yes he isn't playing well this year, but look at that team. I agree that I'd be on the phone every day with the Flyers, who are in a position of desperation. Throw'em an anchor! I'd be surprised if Giroux were on the block, but it doesn't hurt to kick the tires. Another player that I think would really fit well with the CH is Simmonds. Size, speed, toughness, young, good contract, can score. |
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2013 13:54:35 GMT -5
I'd be reluctant to part with Fucale. In four years Price will be 30. Fucale will just be 22, and not even in his prime. With no one else in the system, I don't think it wise to part him for anything but a sure thing.
That said, the Flyers trading Giroux wouldn't surprise me. They've traded Carter and Richards ... Claude starts his huge contract next year. By huge I mean a cap hit of more than $8 million. I'm not taking on a small player with that sort of hit without the Flyers talking salary back. It would be nice to add Simmonds. He's versatile and still only 25. DD, Bourque (makes room for Simmonds)our first, McCarron. Flyers get cap relief, and two firsts (including McCarron).
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 9, 2013 14:22:57 GMT -5
There was a rumor somewhere yestrday of Simmonds to Edmonton for Eberle, who I would love to see in a Habs sweater and would be a great young player to add to Eller and Gallys. Philly, Edmonton and Florida are all starting to panic so I hope MB is spending a lot of phone time talking to these GM's. Edmonton needs defense and veteran's to round out the team. Subban and DD for Eberle and Yakapov? |
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Post by blny on Nov 9, 2013 15:28:17 GMT -5
The Oilers just traded Smid to Calgary, of all teams.
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Post by GNick99 on Nov 9, 2013 16:13:35 GMT -5
While Ed Snider is still ticked , I'd inquire about Claude Giroux. I'd offer Fucale, our first, and maybe even McCarron. They'd have their goalie, another possible LeClair and we'd have our premiere player. Yes he isn't playing well this year, but look at that team. To get Giroux we need to move contract. I'd rather trade for Simmonds given state of team. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 9, 2013 17:42:19 GMT -5
Wouldn't do it for Pacs, but if they're interested in any combo of smurfs, get it done. That's why I suggested Max. Our smurfs have negative value. By that I mean we would have to take on a Gomez to get rid of our smurfs. The only thing to help remove smurfs in this league at this time, is expiration of contracts. You aren't going to get the type of talent in Kane by trading away our problems. While we can question the sanity of some GM's, I don't think anyone is that stupid or desperate. I suggested Max because he does have talent, but he has also been hurt a fair bit (not by design of course). Rocket Richard was hurt often early in his career and he turned out ok in the long run. Will Kane be more productive than Max, and can any 'character' issues be addressed? Those would be my pros and cons. Kane is as fast as Max, more willing to go to dirty areas, but with the added bonus of being able to drop the gloves when required. I like Max, but I like Kane even better. To get him, you'd have to offer up something of value. |
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Post by franko on Nov 9, 2013 17:44:37 GMT -5
the Flyers trading Giroux wouldn't surprise me. it would me and this is the reason. however, desperate times call for desperate measures, and Holmgren is probably pretty desperate. however, I don't think anything gets done without being vetted first by gm-in-waiting Hextall. |
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Post by Disp on Nov 9, 2013 21:49:34 GMT -5
Wouldn't do it for Pacs, but if they're interested in any combo of smurfs, get it done. That's why I suggested Max. Our smurfs have negative value. By that I mean we would have to take on a Gomez to get rid of our smurfs. The only thing to help remove smurfs in this league at this time, is expiration of contracts. You aren't going to get the type of talent in Kane by trading away our problems. While we can question the sanity of some GM's, I don't think anyone is that stupid or desperate. I suggested Max because he does have talent, but he has also been hurt a fair bit (not by design of course). Rocket Richard was hurt often early in his career and he turned out ok in the long run. Will Kane be more productive than Max, and can any 'character' issues be addressed? Those would be my pros and cons. Kane is as fast as Max, more willing to go to dirty areas, but with the added bonus of being able to drop the gloves when required. I like Max, but I like Kane even better. To get him, you'd have to offer up something of value. Kane is a headache though, in a best case scenario he's an upgrade on Pacs, I don't think he's worth the risk for such an unlikely marginal gain. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 26, 2013 16:53:39 GMT -5
That's why I suggested Max. Our smurfs have negative value. By that I mean we would have to take on a Gomez to get rid of our smurfs. The only thing to help remove smurfs in this league at this time, is expiration of contracts. You aren't going to get the type of talent in Kane by trading away our problems. While we can question the sanity of some GM's, I don't think anyone is that stupid or desperate. I suggested Max because he does have talent, but he has also been hurt a fair bit (not by design of course). Rocket Richard was hurt often early in his career and he turned out ok in the long run. Will Kane be more productive than Max, and can any 'character' issues be addressed? Those would be my pros and cons. Kane is as fast as Max, more willing to go to dirty areas, but with the added bonus of being able to drop the gloves when required. I like Max, but I like Kane even better. To get him, you'd have to offer up something of value. Kane is a headache though, in a best case scenario he's an upgrade on Pacs, I don't think he's worth the risk for such an unlikely marginal gain. I would trade Pacioretty for Kane if Winnipeg throws in their 1st round pick and takes Briere off our hands. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 27, 2013 13:29:03 GMT -5
Pacioretty is streaky but when he is hot he is a much better producer than Kane. A spectacular end to end rush by Datsuk with three dekes and a hilight reel coal counts as one; the same as a rebound slapp[ed in by Gallagher from the lip of the crease. We marvel at a slapshot goal by Subban from the point but a shot by Pacioretty trickling in through the goaltenders legs counts as one too. I remember Esposito scoring 76 goals off his back, legs, tips, garbage goals all but the overall production is more important than the replays on ESPN.
Unless the return is spectacular, I would keep MaxPac
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Post by HFTO on Dec 27, 2013 13:43:12 GMT -5
Habs aren't stock piled well enough yet to pull this type of a deal off... 2 or 3 drafs down the road maybe??
Unless your hand is forced why take one step forward to go one step back.
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