Ivanans

[StevePenny]

52 PIMS in 5 games wow.

[blaise]

StevePenny said:

52 PIMS in 5 games wow.

Ivanans is playing himself out of consideration for a berth on the Habs with his undisciplined antics.

[StevePenny]

Is he fighting or just taking bad penalties?

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

StevePenny said:

Is he fighting or just taking bad penalties?

1 minor, 4 fighting majors, and 3 misconducts. He's doing what he's being paid the big money to do. That -2 ranking is likely nagging at Jarvis, though.

[blaise]

M. said:

1 minor, 4 fighting majors, and 3 misconducts. He's doing what he's being paid the big money to do. That -2 ranking is likely nagging at Jarvis, though.

The fighting majors and misconducts don't affect his +/- but they do leave his team one man short. The -2 suggests that it may not be an entirely bad thing if he isn't on the ice in view of his limited offensive potential.

As for his doing what he's paid to do, I'd say he's carrying it too far and is looking for trouble. There's a long line of infamous instigators who have enjoyed prolonged NHL careers because they were canny enough to know when to turn it on. Jarvis has to bring him in line even if it means applying a cattle prod.

[montreal]

StevePenny said:

Is he fighting or just taking bad penalties?

I was at the Philly game, and Ivanans beat the snot out of Cote, then Cote gave him a cheap shot after the refs stepped in and Ivanans went nuts, got tossed out for it. Last night I listened to the game on the radio, and Ivanans got in another fight, then when in the box he threw a water bottle at McGratton? and tried to fight him again in the box, cause McGratton did the same thing Cote did, throwing a punch after the refs broke up the fight (ref got hit last night)

[FormerLurker]

Blaise said:

The fighting majors and misconducts don't affect his +/- but they do leave his team one man short.

He's only left his team short-handed on two occasions: a hit from behind in the first game, and an unsportsmanlike call in the last. The Dogs killed off both penalties, and even scored short-handed on one of them.

He's not exactly hurting his team with his "undisciplined antics".

[blaise]

montreal said:

I was at the Philly game, and Ivanans beat the snot out of Cote, then Cote gave him a cheap shot after the refs stepped in and Ivanans went nuts, got tossed out for it. Last night I listened to the game on the radio, and Ivanans got in another fight, then when in the box he threw a water bottle at McGratton? and tried to fight him again in the box, cause McGratton did the same thing Cote did, throwing a punch after the refs broke up the fight (ref got hit last night)

I don't think Ivanans is being paid to throw water bottles. He also has to learn when to let the officials punish the players who take cheap shots at him. He should focus his energy on opponents who take cheap shots at Kostitsyn, Locke, Plekanec, Higgins, etc.

[blaise]

FormerLurker said:

He's only left his team short-handed on two occasions: a hit from behind in the first game, and an unsportsmanlike call in the last. The Dogs killed off both penalties, and even scored short-handed on one of them.

He's not exactly hurting his team with his "undisciplined antics".

Over an 80-game schedule they surely will. The Dogs won't always be able to kill off the penalties or score shorthanded goals. In fact, they seem to be vulnerable to PP goals.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Blaise said:

The fighting majors and misconducts don't affect his +/-...

Of course not, we all know that.

...but they do leave his team one man short.

It takes 2 to tango. Fighting majors are always coincidental. Misconduct penalties have no on-ice effect, though they do shorten the bench.

The -2 suggests that it may not be an entirely bad thing if he isn't on the ice in view of his limited offensive potential.

He is not on the ice to score goals. He was signed to provide "protection".

As for his doing what he's paid to do, I'd say he's carrying it too far and is looking for trouble. There's a long line of infamous instigators who have enjoyed prolonged NHL careers because they were canny enough to know when to turn it on. Jarvis has to bring him in line even if it means applying a cattle prod.

He is paid to fight and neutralize the opposition goons. He seems to be doing just that. A bonus would be his not being a liability to his team. I have confidence that Jarvis (and Ivanans) will see to that.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Blaise said:

I don't think Ivanans is being paid to throw water bottles.

If that's what it takes...

He also has to learn when to let the officials punish the players who take cheap shots at him. He should focus his energy on opponents who take cheap shots at Kostitsyn, Locke, Plekanec, Higgins, etc.

Yeah, he should show the same trust in the referees that Perezhogin did...before he finally snapped.

Ivanans is doing just fine, and will only do better.

[seventeen]

It sure never hurts to have a reputation as a grenade without a pin. If I'm Jarvis, I simply work on his thinking and timing. If he goes bonkers occasionally, no problem. The idea is to have him disciplined by the time the playoffs roll around. Then he can pick his spots at that time, without hurting the team, but still sending that big time uber-goon message.

[blaise]

How is Ivanans going to protect the skilled players while he's serving his misconducts, glaring at the offenders from the penalty box (or from the dressing room after he's kicked out of the game)?

[Habit]

seventeen said:

...but still sending that big time uber-goon message.

Careful using that "U" word arround HA. He might get excited.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Blaise said:

How is Ivanans going to protect the skilled players while he's serving his misconducts, glaring at the offenders from the penalty box (or from the dressing room after he's kicked out of the game)?

1) Glaring from Ivan the Terrible will work on some players. Palpably oozing psychotic energy, while not a perfect deterrent, tends to plant a seed in all but equally insane minds. Everyone knows that there will be a next time.

2) Taking the other team's hired stick out with him also works.

17 neatly summed up the path to be taken with our Latvian Leviathan. In Doug and Raitis I trust.

[blaise]

M. said:

1) Glaring from Ivan the Terrible will work on some players. Palpably oozing psychotic energy, while not a perfect deterrent, tends to plant a seed in all but equally insane minds. Everyone knows that there will be a next time.

2) Taking the other team's hired stick out with him also works.

17 neatly summed up the path to be taken with our Latvian Leviathan. In Doug and Raitis I trust.

Gad, 1) sounds as though it were written by the Habs Addict except that it doesn't specifically mention Ubergoon.

2) doesn't work because the hired goon on the other team isn't necessarily the one who preys on the talented players. Applied to the Leafs, there are too many instigators to glare at (or dance with). And if Ivanans were to play a full shift with Locke, for example, it would cut down on the Bulldogs' scoring and weaken their defense. Someone who has at least a modicum of talent, like Bonneau, seems like a better bet to make the Habs. Years ago the Habs hired a wrestler (I've forgotten his name) who could barely skate but they soon abandoned the idea.

[M. Beaux-Eaux]

Blaise said:

Gad, 1) sounds as though it were written by the Habs Addict except that it doesn't specifically mention Ubergoon.

The stipend was paid on time.

2) doesn't work because the hired goon on the other team isn't necessarily the one who preys on the talented players. Applied to the Leafs, there are too many instigators to glare at (or dance with).

That is not Ivanans responsibility or concern.

And if Ivanans were to play a full shift with Locke, for example, it would cut down on the Bulldogs' scoring and weaken their defense.

That is not how goonery works. You do not hobble your own team, you hobble the opposition. Jarvis (or any coach) will send Ivanans out there in the company of his peers, against the bothersome adversary

Someone who has at least a modicum of talent, like Bonneau, seems like a better bet to make the Habs. Years ago the Habs hired a wrestler (I've forgotten his name) who could barely skate but they soon abandoned the idea.

Last year the Habs had Darren Langdon putting in his 5 minutes a game. 5 minutes that made everyone in the bleu-blanc-rouge feel comfortable for the full 60.

[blaise]

M. said:

Last year the Habs had Darren Langdon putting in his 5 minutes a game. 5 minutes that made everyone in the bleu-blanc-rouge feel comfortable for the full 60.

This is simply too facile. Langdon is a seasoned veteran who knows his way around, and he has some skill and smarts. I wouldn't compare an oaf like Ivanans to him just because he seems to be a fearsome fighter. Ivanans has a lot to learn before he makes his NHL debut--if he ever does.

[seventeen]

The idea is to get Ivanans to think like Langdon. It will take some time, no doubt.

[Habs_fan_in_LA]

Chris Nilan was never nominated for the nobel Peace Prize and John Kordic was never in contention for Rocket Science. A little irrational exhuberance can keep the other guys on their toes.
John Ferguson was known to chase Eddie Shack into the thrid row of seats and Goldie Goldthorpe didn't wait for a permission slip from Koife Anan to defend himself!
I remember Globenski making the old Forum an exciting place too.