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Post by Habit on Nov 1, 2004 7:48:23 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 1, 2004 8:07:57 GMT -5
It's interesting. Dan hints that Gainey's stamps on the draft is that players picked seem a little more on the character/hard work side than it was with Savard who tends to pick more in the the pure hockey skills pool. If you look at how the Stars were build under Gainey vs how the Sens were build under Timmins/Savard, I think the difference in style is obvious. Maybe we'll get the best of both world.
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Post by montreal on Nov 1, 2004 21:42:03 GMT -5
It's interesting. Dan hints that Gainey's stamps on the draft is that players picked seem a little more on the character/hard work side than it was with Savard who tends to pick more in the the pure hockey skills pool. If you look at how the Stars were build under Gainey vs how the Sens were build under Timmins/Savard, I think the difference in style is obvious. Maybe we'll get the best of both world. Yes I did hint at that, as I believe it to be true, but I could be very wrong, as perhaps Savard really wanted Chipchura. My guess is that Savard would be more of a Korpikoski kind of pick, over a Kyle Chipchura, but it's just a guess, I did try to get an interview with Trevor Timmions, but that never worked out, it would have helped to see if he would go into detail about this. Doesn't really matter in the long run, as it's all about what these picks do for the organization. But when you look at the last 2 drafts, one was run by Savard (Kostitsyn) and the other by Gainey (Chipchura) and you get the feeling of who was picked by their play on the ice, imo. |
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Post by mic on Nov 3, 2004 10:39:23 GMT -5
There seems to be a strong feeling around the fans that Savard, as a former member of the Ottawa Senators, loves skilled, finesse players, forgetting the physical impact of the game. However, watching the three drafts André Savard held as a general manager, I can't really agree with that :
2001:
Komisarek - not what I understand as a finesse player
Perezoghin - while not a physical monster, seems not be afraid by a more physical game
Milroy - sometimes compared to Ryder
Plekanec - a Koivu type of player
Don't know enough or haven't seen enough of the other players
2002:
Higgins - also a player who accepts the physical part of the game
Don't know enough or haven't seen enough of the other players
2003:
Here we have O'Byrne and Lapierre who are labeled as physical players, possibly Korpikari, but I can't really tell as I haven't seen enough of him and the other players.
So we have two and a half first round players who can handle a physical game (Perezoghin's case is tricky, as the last year's incident can be understood as a case of somebody who can't really accept being hit - but that's another story). I don't really see how we can say that Gainey's arrival is a "stamp" on the way the Habs draft. Sure, he has a conception on what a hockey team should look like, and so will influence the draft. But in my opinion, it is more Savard's trade which were hurting the team's grit, not the way he was drafting. Trading (or claiming) Begin or Dowd is more significative, I think, for Gainey's leadership in contrast with Savard's.
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Post by montreal on Nov 3, 2004 19:28:01 GMT -5
There seems to be a strong feeling around the fans that Savard, as a former member of the Ottawa Senators, loves skilled, finesse players, forgetting the physical impact of the game. However, watching the three drafts André Savard held as a general manager, I can't really agree with that : 2001:Komisarek - not what I understand as a finesse player Perezoghin - while not a physical monster, seems not be afraid by a more physical game Milroy - sometimes compared to Ryder Plekanec - a Koivu type of player Don't know enough or haven't seen enough of the other players 2002:Higgins - also a player who accepts the physical part of the game Don't know enough or haven't seen enough of the other players 2003:Here we have O'Byrne and Lapierre who are labeled as physical players, possibly Korpikari, but I can't really tell as I haven't seen enough of him and the other players. So we have two and a half first round players who can handle a physical game (Perezoghin's case is tricky, as the last year's incident can be understood as a case of somebody who can't really accept being hit - but that's another story). I don't really see how we can say that Gainey's arrival is a "stamp" on the way the Habs draft. Sure, he has a conception on what a hockey team should look like, and so will influence the draft. But in my opinion, it is more Savard's trade which were hurting the team's grit, not the way he was drafting. Trading (or claiming) Begin or Dowd is more significative, I think, for Gainey's leadership in contrast with Savard's. You can't just look a few picks. Guys like Perezhogin, Higgins, Kostitsyn, Urquhart, Danny Stewart, Plekanec were more of the offensive, fast skating, kind of players Savard likes. With the exception of Plekanec, none of these guys are overly physical players. Yes Savard also drafted Lapierre, Komisarek, O'Byrne, Archer, Ferland, Deveaux and Bonneau, so he did find a good mix of both. My feeling is that Gainey was more behind the Chipchura pick, as I could see Savard going for Korpikski. I am just giving one opinion, I have no inside info, just food for thought. |
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