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Post by UberCranky on Apr 10, 2014 11:40:37 GMT -5
Couillard.......and his evil right wing economics!
“We are all Quebecers. We should all focus on what brings us together. What unites us makes us stronger.”
“My first concern will be to take a look at the health of our public finances, have it checked and then govern ourselves accordingly,” Mr. Couillard said before receiving cheers and applause from the other Liberals.
“We are committed to using 50 per cent of the prospective surpluses. … And use the other 50 per cent to reduce taxes starting with the health tax,” Mr. Coiteux said. “But first, we’ve got to restart the economy and we have to control expenditures.”
The guy must be a brain surgeon or something to figure all this out?
I wonder, if we ban LAWYERS from holding public office and instead we had doctors, engineers, economist and other people who didn't build their world on endless gabbing run as politicians, would we be better off?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 10, 2014 13:22:42 GMT -5
Well pointed out, HFLA. the racism tag seemed to be at the forefront for quite a while even before the election. Cheers. There is no racism....in the purest sense of the word "race". Darwin's theory and the science of DNA have stamped that out. We're all related. "Culturalism", "religionism"....more to the point, IMO. Differences in how we behave, what we wear, etc. peculiar to the various belief systems of our species. And there are rationality problems on both sides of those walls. Will we ever get it right....and live in I think we are saying the same thing. When we tell people what king of hat they must and must not wear, what kind of sign to post on their store, what movies they can watch, what jewelry they can wear and how they should think! To post me in a box, I am a libertarian. I am not a nazi, but if you want a tattoo it is none of my business what you choose. I am not homosexual or bisexual or lesbian or transgender (not really sure what perversion that is), but it is none of my business what you choose to do in the privacy of your own bedroom (must be consensual between any number of CONSENTING adults). Quebec is not unique, Crimeria, Uganda, Afghanistan, United States....... I used the term racist as it is more readily understood than tribalism. If you are in the RCMP, you MUST wear the uniform. If you choose to wear a kappa or turban under the hat and it doesn't interfere, no problem.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 10, 2014 17:10:37 GMT -5
I think we are saying the same thing. When we tell people what king of hat they must and must not wear, what kind of sign to post on their store, what movies they can watch, what jewelry they can wear and how they should think! To post me in a box, I am a libertarian. I am not a nazi, but if you want a tattoo it is none of my business what you choose. I am not homosexual or bisexual or lesbian or transgender (not really sure what perversion that is), but it is none of my business what you choose to do in the privacy of your own bedroom (must be consensual between any number of CONSENTING adults). Why use the word "perversion"? To them, it's normal...it's their nature....they have no choice.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 10, 2014 19:03:52 GMT -5
I think we are saying the same thing. When we tell people what king of hat they must and must not wear, what kind of sign to post on their store, what movies they can watch, what jewelry they can wear and how they should think! To post me in a box, I am a libertarian. I am not a nazi, but if you want a tattoo it is none of my business what you choose. I am not homosexual or bisexual or lesbian or transgender (not really sure what perversion that is), but it is none of my business what you choose to do in the privacy of your own bedroom (must be consensual between any number of CONSENTING adults). Why use the word "perversion"? To them, it's normal...it's their nature....they have no choice. I have no problem with the term especially in the context in which it was used. It's a term used by many parents from a different era to describe bisexuality, homosexuality or lesbianism. However, it was a different generation from a different era. My father (RIP) used the term in the same context, but he had the ability to adapt and change as he got older. I can't speak for HFLA, but I suspect this is where he's coming from. A term used in a different era, where people just didn't understand as much as they do now. As a society we're not out of the woods with acceptance just yet, but we're getting there. It's a lot better than it was, though. Back to the election ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 10, 2014 19:23:32 GMT -5
Couillard.......and his evil right wing economics! “We are all Quebecers. We should all focus on what brings us together. What unites us makes us stronger.” The Habs? I don't know what shape the province is in. Would it be right to suggest that the Liberals still have a bit of their own mess to clean up, between governments? I did find the "Quebec Debt Clock". I think the Liberals can take some blame for that, as well. Ontario isn't much better. The province is paying $372/second. The Liberals can definitely take responsibility for that. Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Apr 11, 2014 8:44:54 GMT -5
Couillard.......and his evil right wing economics! “We are all Quebecers. We should all focus on what brings us together. What unites us makes us stronger.” The Habs? I don't know what shape the province is in. Would it be right to suggest that the Liberals still have a bit of their own mess to clean up, between governments? I did find the "Quebec Debt Clock". I think the Liberals can take some blame for that, as well. Ontario isn't much better. The province is paying $372/second. The Liberals can definitely take responsibility for that. Cheers. Nice find Dis, especially the Ontario info. I find people just wait for something to dump on Quebec without looking at the rest of the country.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 11, 2014 9:12:40 GMT -5
The Habs? I don't know what shape the province is in. Would it be right to suggest that the Liberals still have a bit of their own mess to clean up, between governments? I did find the "Quebec Debt Clock". I think the Liberals can take some blame for that, as well. Ontario isn't much better. The province is paying $372/second. The Liberals can definitely take responsibility for that. Cheers. Nice find Dis, especially the Ontario info. I find people just wait for something to dump on Quebec without looking at the rest of the country. I should really stick to the Quebec election, but I'm really discouraged at how the Liberals have run up the tab in Ontario. And to get out of it they want to hike rates and tax us to the hilt, and all that will do is cover their current spending. In retrospect, and we'll never know for sure, Jim Flaherty would have been an excellent choice for Premier. It would have been tough on provincial services in the short-term, but I think he wouldn't have allowed the budget to get as out of control. As it is now each person in Ontario is on the hook for $20,000. If he could balance the federal books imagine what he would have done in Ontario. The only time I follow Quebec politics is when the province heads to the polls. I was surprised to see the Liberals win a majority given the record of the previous Grit government. However, as an outsider looking in, it showed me just how few choices Quebecers had. I dare say we're no better off in Ontario and the Liberals will not be getting my vote. They haven't in a long time, anyway. Cheers.
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Post by franko on Apr 11, 2014 9:41:32 GMT -5
In retrospect, and we'll never know for sure, Jim Flaherty would have been an excellent choice for Premier. It would have been tough on provincial services in the short-term, but I think he wouldn't have allowed the budget to get as out of control. I don't think he'd have had much of a shot, Dis. He was close to the Harris government that would have been tossed no matter who was leader. otoh, there haven't been many options for those who may be tempted to look other than Liberal. I know some who held their noses and voted Dalton simply because they couldn't stomach Hudak, and Mcruinty played everything right against Tory. I don't see much difference this time around. scandal after scandal for the Liberals and they are still right up there because of the options or lack thereof. as long as they win the urban vote they're in.
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 11, 2014 13:28:34 GMT -5
Nice find Dis, especially the Ontario info. I find people just wait for something to dump on Quebec without looking at the rest of the country. I should really stick to the Quebec election, but I'm really discouraged at how the Liberals have run up the tab in Ontario. And to get out of it they want to hike rates and tax us to the hilt, and all that will do is cover their current spending. In retrospect, and we'll never know for sure, Jim Flaherty would have been an excellent choice for Premier. It would have been tough on provincial services in the short-term, but I think he wouldn't have allowed the budget to get as out of control. As it is now each person in Ontario is on the hook for $20,000. If he could balance the federal books imagine what he would have done in Ontario. The only time I follow Quebec politics is when the province heads to the polls. I was surprised to see the Liberals win a majority given the record of the previous Grit government. However, as an outsider looking in, it showed me just how few choices Quebecers had. I dare say we're no better off in Ontario and the Liberals will not be getting my vote. They haven't in a long time, anyway. Cheers. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice....three times....four times.....and I'm an Ontario Liberal voter. I NEVER voted for Ontario Liberals after the NDP fiasco, but that just me. What I don't understand is the endless support for a government who is riddled with wasting billions upon billions of dollars. Does waste and taxation mean nothing to the urban concrete cave dwellers? Are the so detached from their own electricity and tax bills? Go buy a lousy $100 computer monitor and you're paying $39.50 in "eco fees" on top of the tax. Electricity rates are over double what they use to be directly from the "green energy plan" of the Liberal government. It will actually cost Ontarian $120 billion dollars over the life of the "green energy plan" as it stands now, never mind if they keep expending it, money that could go to schools and hospitals. Debt has doubled since the Liberals took over. Waste of billions left and right. Does none of this mean a thing to the urban dwellers?
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Post by franko on Apr 11, 2014 13:42:27 GMT -5
the problem is the lack of opposition parties. if ever a government was ripe to be voted out, this one is . . . but Hudak doesn't have a clue about leading the charge against. he goes off [or gets bumped off] course and becomes a target himself.
if I were in charge of their election strategy all I'd do is talk about the new taxes [after the guarantee of no new taxes] and remind people that they are in line for more with a re-elected Liberal government. when it came to the gas plant I'd simply say "your taxes and hydro bills are going up because of the Liberals". ORNGE? "your taxes and fees are going up . . . ". every day purchases like computers, TVs, telephones? "your taxes and fees are going up . . . ".
I'd ask "are you better off now than you were?". of course, that won't work with some government employees, but I daresay most people aren't.
but I'm not a politico; I'm a humble worker trying to scrape by.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 11, 2014 18:30:50 GMT -5
the problem is the lack of opposition parties. if ever a government was ripe to be voted out, this one is . . . but Hudak doesn't have a clue about leading the charge against. he goes off [or gets bumped off] course and becomes a target himself. Neighbours were telling me about Hudak this morning and they pretty much agreed with you. He projects the wrong image. I honestly don't know the guy at all. I'll have to look him up and see what that's about. And having no viable options seems to be a common theme in provincial and federal politics these days. It really bothered me that a guy with as much potential as Jean Charest just turned out to be "as bad as the rest of them". He was an up-and-comer, or so I thought. Charest was one of the and the other one was former New Brunswick Premier, Bernard Lord. Charest is only a few months older than I am and he became premier at age 44. Lord became premier when he was 33. It won't be a hard sell. These two issues are what many people are talking about. Lord was just appointed as the chair for Ontario Power Generation. I hope he can facilitate a plan for power generation without adding 40% to our bills, which is the 5-year Kathleen Wynne strategy. If he solves that I think there will be one less attack ad. Cheers. I'm not ready to vote Liberal and, while I don't think the NDP will get in, I'm still gun shy from the last time they got to call the shots. Like you said, there's the problem of not having any real options. Quebec just went through that and that's what we have to look forward to, as well.
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