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Post by UberCranky on May 2, 2014 14:27:39 GMT -5
Is the Liberals tax-to-hell-and-back-and-spend-to-the-moon show going to end?
I'm so sick and tired of them that I actually have a Plan B to move out of Ontario.
I think it's going to be a minority PC government and wont stand from more then a year before it's toppled.
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Post by northernlou on May 12, 2014 15:27:46 GMT -5
Hope I'm wrong but I have no faith in the voters of this province.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 12, 2014 16:03:45 GMT -5
Hope I'm wrong but I have no faith in the voters of this province. Ditto ... it's going to be hard for me to give any of the three major parties my vote. The Liberals have mismanaged their green initiative to the point where it's soaking the Ontario taxpayer ... they're going to increase the amount of wind turbines even though we have power plants that operate nowhere near their capacity ... I will not vote for Tories ... Hudak's plan is to scrap the green initiative and cut 100,000 public service jobs in order to boost the economy ... how is he going to boost anything other than unemployment numbers by putting 100,000 people on EI ... Mrs Dis and I just shake our heads when our property tax bill comes in (twice a year) ... we're going to be here for a few more years yet, but we're already talking about moving outside the city limits ... like rural ... like less complicated ... Welcome to the board by the way, Lou. Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 12, 2014 16:06:35 GMT -5
Hope I'm wrong but I have no faith in the voters of this province. Ditto ... it's going to be hard for me to give any of the three major parties my vote. The Liberals have mismanaged their green initiative to the point where it's soaking the Ontario taxpayer ... they're going to increase the amount of wind turbines even though we have power plants that operate nowhere near their capacity ... I will not vote for Tories ... Hudak's plan is to scrap the green initiative and cut 100,000 public service jobs in order to boost the economy ... how is he going to boost anything other than unemployment numbers by putting 100,000 people on EI ... Mrs Dis and I just shake our heads when our property tax bill comes in (twice a year) ... we're going to be here for a few more years yet, but we're already talking about moving outside the city limits ... like rural ... like less complicated ... Welcome to the board by the way, Lou. I don't know if any mods have mentioned it yet, but please take a moment to read our Code of Conduct when you have the time. Have a good one. Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on May 12, 2014 16:22:13 GMT -5
It's the same issues from province to province, none other than Alberta and to a lesser extent BC seem to be in the black. They try to spend their way out of debt but they always make the wrong choices. Having moved from the east to the west its nice to have that extra cash put back into your wallet then have it go into the governments.
BTW I think the PC's get the win in Ontario.
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Post by northernlou on May 12, 2014 16:39:47 GMT -5
Hope I'm wrong but I have no faith in the voters of this province. Ditto ... it's going to be hard for me to give any of the three major parties my vote. The Liberals have mismanaged their green initiative to the point where it's soaking the Ontario taxpayer ... they're going to increase the amount of wind turbines even though we have power plants that operate nowhere near their capacity ... I will not vote for Tories ... Hudak's plan is to scrap the green initiative and cut 100,000 public service jobs in order to boost the economy ... how is he going to boost anything other than unemployment numbers by putting 100,000 people on EI ... Mrs Dis and I just shake our heads when our property tax bill comes in (twice a year) ... we're going to be here for a few more years yet, but we're already talking about moving outside the city limits ... like rural ... like less complicated ... Welcome to the board by the way, Lou. I don't know if any mods have mentioned it yet, but please take a moment to read our Code of Conduct when you have the time. Have a good one. Cheers. Thx 70sHab. Code of conduct looks fair to me. And a paragraph devoted to you too, nice work. As for moving beyond the grasp of the GTA....so many I know have already done so, and I hear no complaints. cheers
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 12, 2014 23:13:48 GMT -5
Ditto ... it's going to be hard for me to give any of the three major parties my vote. The Liberals have mismanaged their green initiative to the point where it's soaking the Ontario taxpayer ... they're going to increase the amount of wind turbines even though we have power plants that operate nowhere near their capacity ... I will not vote for Tories ... Hudak's plan is to scrap the green initiative and cut 100,000 public service jobs in order to boost the economy ... how is he going to boost anything other than unemployment numbers by putting 100,000 people on EI ... Mrs Dis and I just shake our heads when our property tax bill comes in (twice a year) ... we're going to be here for a few more years yet, but we're already talking about moving outside the city limits ... like rural ... like less complicated ... Welcome to the board by the way, Lou. I don't know if any mods have mentioned it yet, but please take a moment to read our Code of Conduct when you have the time. Have a good one. Cheers. Thx 70sHab. Code of conduct looks fair to me. And a paragraph devoted to you too, nice work. As for moving beyond the grasp of the GTA....so many I know have already done so, and I hear no complaints. cheers Thanks Lou ... actually Cranky put that in about me ... some kind of penis envy or something ... not sure what's up with that ... anyway, it's pretty easy going around here ... while we're winning ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 12, 2014 21:17:41 GMT -5
Liberal majority.
Not many saw that coming.
Hudak has to step down now. He just can't break through. Harper's going to have to send one of his strongest MPs to Ontario. I mean, who's currently in the provincial PC party capable of resuscitating this bunch?
Horvath's on thin leadership ice, too.
Too bad….just when we really did need a strong alternative to the Libs….the leaders of the other parties just didn't have it.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 12, 2014 21:26:44 GMT -5
Kaaaboom....
You don't win a center province with a highly organized union vote by comming out and declaring "cut a 100,000 jobs". PC was never going to get the union vote but they scarred Joe Average. The liberals focused on the PC party instead on the liberal scandals/failures.
The ontario PCs never fail to epically fail. Oh well, I see nothing but a hard left tax-and-spend Liberal government so it's time to take a closer look at where I want to retire. At least unlike most, I have options.
Good luck Ontatio.....
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Post by northernlou on Jun 12, 2014 22:02:06 GMT -5
This is what I was talking about when I said that "I have no faith in the voters of this province". A fricking majority no less. It would be unbelievable if this were a sane world. The only good thing to come out of this, is Hudak's, albeit far too late, exit as woeful leader of the PC's.
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Post by blny on Jun 13, 2014 11:36:12 GMT -5
I haven't followed it closely, except to hear some of the negative commentary about respective party leaders. In that regard, you certainly heard Hudak the most. I saw a short clip of the NDP leader speaking about rumours of a possible NDP/PC coalition, and she dismissed those comments as "bull spit". Her words. Came off very awkward.
Election certainly seemed like a Monty Brewster "X for none of the above" deal.
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 13, 2014 12:40:53 GMT -5
This is what I was talking about when I said that "I have no faith in the voters of this province". A fricking majority no less. It would be unbelievable if this were a sane world. The only good thing to come out of this, is Hudak's, albeit far too late, exit as woeful leader of the PC's. If the OPC party is so effen stupid that they can't understand how to run an election against a corrupt, scandal ridden party then I have no faith in them running a province. Political Rules 101. 1. NOBODY runs a "slash and cut" program unless the place is burning down to the ground. And maybe not even then. 2. Against a scandal ridden party, you do not run a "clean campaign". Heck, you don't run a clean campaign against anyone not named Jesus Christ. 3. People want their sh!t. If you threaten their sh!t, they will not elect you. Period. 4. People want free stuff. Always. Everywhere. There is never, ever a connection between cost and free stuff. EVER. 5. You don't spout garbage that makes you the target. Particularly when the other side is mired in it. EVER. 6. You run on hope and change. Sure, you do whatever the hell you want AFTER you get elected, but you run on hope, change and prosperity. People want to hear and believe that. Even if it's corny and BS. Apparently, nobody on the OPC has ever heard about those rules for the last 12 years. Apparently, there is not enough IQ in the OPC to see the obvious. Apparently, the OPC has Darrel, Darrel and the other Darrel running it. Buying them 20 copies of this book.... Really, really annoyed this morning.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 13, 2014 13:56:40 GMT -5
John Oakley had Doug Ford on this morning….raising the question of whether or not Doug would throw his hat into the Provincial PC Leadership ring.
Doug didn't say either way…..but, gotta love his mixed metaphor: "The Party needs an enema from top to bottom."
Oakley sure has a thing for touting the Fords. He's provided their stump for years.
Would the PCs be THAT desperate for leadership? Wouldn't they be well-advised to steer clear of anything "Ford"?
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Post by franko on Jun 13, 2014 14:37:37 GMT -5
John Oakley had Doug Ford on this morning….raising the question of whether or not Doug would throw his hat into the Provincial PC Leadership ring. Doug didn't say either way…..but, gotta love his mixed metaphor: "The Party needs an enema from top to bottom." Oakley sure has a thing for touting the Fords. He's provided their stump for years. Would the PCs be THAT desperate for leadership? the sad thing is . . . yes. I mean, they stuck with Hudak after everyone knew that he would be filler at best. long dark days ahead for the blue party
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 13, 2014 15:25:20 GMT -5
Would the PCs be THAT desperate for leadership? Wouldn't they be well-advised to steer clear of anything "Ford"? YES. ABSOLUTELY YES! Why wouldn't they be that stupid? Have we not seen the results of their capabilities?
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 13, 2014 15:26:41 GMT -5
John Oakley had Doug Ford on this morning….raising the question of whether or not Doug would throw his hat into the Provincial PC Leadership ring. Doug didn't say either way…..but, gotta love his mixed metaphor: "The Party needs an enema from top to bottom." Oakley sure has a thing for touting the Fords. He's provided their stump for years. Would the PCs be THAT desperate for leadership? the sad thing is . . . yes. I mean, they stuck with Hudak after everyone knew that he would be filler at best. long dark days ahead for the blue party It smells like all the smart ones went to the Federal PC's and left the half wits to run OPC. I was away for most of the campaign and when I cam back and saw what they were running on, I wanted to throw up. They did everything wrong. I mean EVERYTHING. The only thing I don't know is if this was a Hudak led idiocracy or an the entire party of mental limpers. You, me, stiff drunk on the 7th bottle of retsina, while throwing up on the closest dumper......we could come up with a better strategy then "cut, slash, I doing it for you, honestly I am. Do you love me now?".
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 13, 2014 17:04:31 GMT -5
From this election I learned:
a. There's a major disconnect between the GTA and the rest of the province ... outside the GTA (mostly) folks are in shell shock ...
b. By not calling Kathleen Wynne's government to the carpet for their scandals, the voters of Toronto have reelected a government with no fiscal accountability ...
c. Hadek is a putz,
d. The OPC party is in a mess, and
e. Kingston (L) is part of the problem.
If I were still in the service I'd ask for a posting somewhere west and probably stay there ... it's like that now with quite a few people I know and most of them are from Ontario ...
Cheers.
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Post by franko on Jun 13, 2014 21:13:44 GMT -5
a. There's a major disconnect between the GTA and the rest of the province ... outside the GTA (mostly) folks are in shell shock ... it's almost an urban/rural split . . . and because there are more rural seats than urban and because those in the urban areas are more "enlightened" they tend to vote Liberal. OK, maybe it's not that bad . . . but close. Further, because there are less rural seats, and because they tend to vote Conservative, the Liberals tend not to worry about them as much. And so we get policies such as taxes for large tires [what was it, $350 a tire?] that semis and tractors use, and windmills in pristine agricultural [and lake] areas because there are open spaces for the wind to blow [even if we don't need the wind generated electricity] and environmental studies ignored [talk about hypocrisy] so that the windmills can be built where they are. Well, at least that's how I see it.
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Post by blny on Jun 13, 2014 22:38:01 GMT -5
Interesting to see nearly the entire northern wilderness vote "orange". Don't often associate rural with NDP. Aside from a couple of pockets here and there, Hamilton Sarnia etc, they won their seats up north.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 13, 2014 23:20:42 GMT -5
a. There's a major disconnect between the GTA and the rest of the province ... outside the GTA (mostly) folks are in shell shock ... it's almost an urban/rural split . . . and because there are more rural seats than urban and because those in the urban areas are more "enlightened" they tend to vote Liberal. OK, maybe it's not that bad . . . but close. Further, because there are less rural seats, and because they tend to vote Conservative, the Liberals tend not to worry about them as much. And so we get policies such as taxes for large tires [what was it, $350 a tire?] that semis and tractors use, and windmills in pristine agricultural [and lake] areas because there are open spaces for the wind to blow [even if we don't need the wind generated electricity] and environmental studies ignored [talk about hypocrisy] so that the windmills can be built where they are. Well, at least that's how I see it. Sounds good to me man ... Cheers.
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