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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2014 18:46:22 GMT -5
You may not like Harper, after all, he has a secret agenda....but you will certainly enjoy the sight of DramaQueen trying to play act in the big leagues. Imagine the conversation between Putin and the DramaQueen....... Here's some reaction to the emotionally-laden tantrum of a future PM .... "There's a deep sense of special privilege and self-righteous fantasy playing through these remarks ..." Rex Murphy
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2014 19:20:13 GMT -5
... interesting times coming in the next few years ... Justin Trudeau will eventually be PM and when he is I'm hoping he has a minority government so as to learn the ropes of parliament ... this is about the only way I can see Trudeau the Younger actually functioning in the House ... in the short term, anyway ... Cheers. I don't buy the "eventually" part at all. He loses a majority to Harper and there will be consequences. There is no manifest destiny for good hair prime ministers. They can't really hide that he's the Sponge Bob of international politics and he can't play act leadership. There is not a single thing he has ever said that had any gravitas. Zero. Nada. Other then babbling about pot and rehashing little spurts about how much he hates Harper, there is nothing but air head moments. From China to joking about Putins invasion, every time he's off script, he's lack of depth comes through. Give him a little Chihuahua to pet while talking and I'm sure Paris Hilton will vote for him. Meanwhile serious man like Garneau is eclipsed by nice hair. I see the Liberals making gains and the Tories coming out with a minority government, HA ... I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm thinking Trudeau's emotions could sway enough voters either to remain, or go over to either the Tories or NDP ... and, no, Trudeau is not ready to assume office whatsoever ... truth be told, I'm struggling with this and the election is still a year away ... I think the Grits will push the Harper-the-autocrat issue and I don't think they'll let it rest ... yet I think Canada, as a country, would crumble under Trudeau, as he is now ... I think the Tories will run with Trudeau-milking-his-family-name angle, but I don't know if people (in the east) would care ... That said, I don't see a Liberal minority working all that well either ... besides, if he isn't in over his head at this point, wait until he represents Canada abroad ... I just don't have the words for that ... Marc Garneau would command respect, yes ... still, I'm thinking we'll see the Liberals rise to second-party status, at least ... Cheers.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 19, 2014 19:45:49 GMT -5
I expect Nike to drop sponsorship of the NFL and provide sneakers to the US Army as their official supplier. Then Obama can send the troops into the Levant in sneakers and keep his promise, "no boots on the ground!" could happen???
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Post by franko on Sept 19, 2014 20:27:48 GMT -5
I see the Liberals making gains at the expense of the Quebec NDP. in order for the Liberals to win minority they have to take Ontario . . . it could happen -- Trudeau has the personality; Harper just doesn't have much of one and we all know that good feelings trump everything else. he has a year to get it together and learn to stay on point and not go all sciency and say we have to look at space and time differently (or whatever it is that he said). at the same time JT with his "if you're not pro-choice you can't run for our party" is painting him as one too. strangely enough, I've heard people say that JT saying "my way or else" is differnt than SH's "my way or else". it really is personality, not policy right now. but there's a year . . . and yet the anti-Harper group (I think it's more that than pro-JT) comes up with things like "at least he traveled abroad when he was younger, unlike Harper who hadn't left Canada until he became PM", and "sure JT thinks that Quebec is a natural place for leaders to come from, but Harper wanted to take Alberta our of the Confederation and he is single-handedly destroying Canada". Lots of rhetoric from both sides, though (pity Mulcair, who hasn't a hope of repeating what Layton did)
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2014 20:34:54 GMT -5
You may not like Harper, after all, he has a secret agenda....but you will certainly enjoy the sight of DramaQueen trying to play act in the big leagues. Imagine the conversation between Putin and the DramaQueen....... Had to watch that clip again ... Trudeau mentions Quebec, but neither the western provinces or the Atlantic provinces ... note the expression on the red-headed reporter to the left ... you can also hear a reporter shout "COME ON" as Trudeau exits stage right ... in the following clip you might get an indication of how Harper is perceived by some ... Ottawa Redblacks home game in July ... a fan is going back to his seat, recognizes former Ottawa QB great, Russ Jackson, and shakes his hand ... not all that odd unless you consider that who he snubbed to do it ...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2014 21:49:37 GMT -5
I see the Liberals making gains at the expense of the Quebec NDP ... ... in order for the Liberals to win minority they have to take Ontario . . . it could happen -- Trudeau has the personality; Harper just doesn't have much of one and we all know that good feelings trump everything else. For sure, absolutely ... I could be wrong, but if the Ontario provincial election was any indication, things are looking good for Trudeau here, too ... short story; the last time I went to the polls I went to the desk and asked if this was the line for "the Kingston referendum for succeeding Ontario ..." the one lady just looked at me and giggled while the man she was working with just looked at me with those "can't-believe-you-said-that" kind looks ... no sense of haha, I reckon ... could have been constipated, too ... just sayin'... Well, this is where Harper is losing ... he's going to have to focus more on identifying with people and he'll have to start now ... the pro-choice statement might only be a sign of things to come with this guy ... as Murphy stated, there's a sense of entitlement with Trudeau ... it's not his calling, it's like his due ... hey, there's a lot of people who eat that stuff up ... I was thinking of this earlier, too ... back to oft-recognized, third-party status for the NDP ... I like Mulcair and, to me, he's represented parliament's official opposition very well ... We're leaning his way a bit more nowadays, but it won't make a difference in Kingston ... it's been Liberal for years now ... good dialog ... right on ... Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 20, 2014 0:22:25 GMT -5
For sure, absolutely ... I could be wrong, but if the Ontario provincial election was any indication, things are looking good for Trudeau here, too ... short story; the last time I went to the polls I went to the desk and asked if this was the line for "the Kingston referendum for succeeding Ontario ..." the one lady just looked at me and giggled while the man she was working with just looked at me with those "can't-believe-you-said-that" kind looks ... no sense of haha, I reckon ... could have been constipated, too ... just sayin'... Ontario Liberal election and federal are different animals. There was 2.5 million Ontarians who went PC in the last election, contrast that with 1.5 who showed up for Hudak. If that extra million showed up, PC majority. Ontario wanted change but Hudak shoving two feet in his mouth with 100,000 job cuts simply scared voters to go with the devil they knew. Hudak was the worst, most inept PC leader ever. Harper is in another universe.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 20, 2014 0:48:48 GMT -5
I see the Liberals making gains and the Tories coming out with a minority government, HA ... I don't have a crystal ball, but I'm thinking Trudeau's emotions could sway enough voters either to remain, or go over to either the Tories or NDP ... and, no, Trudeau is not ready to assume office whatsoever ... truth be told, I'm struggling with this and the election is still a year away ... I think the Grits will push the Harper-the-autocrat issue and I don't think they'll let it rest ... yet I think Canada, as a country, would crumble under Trudeau, as he is now ... I think the Tories will run with Trudeau-milking-his-family-name angle, but I don't know if people (in the east) would care ... That said, I don't see a Liberal minority working all that well either ... besides, if he isn't in over his head at this point, wait until he represents Canada abroad ... I just don't have the words for that ... Marc Garneau would command respect, yes ... still, I'm thinking we'll see the Liberals rise to second-party status, at least ... Cheers. Justine is a joke. Plain and simple. The problem is that there is so much anti-Harper vitriol that they rather have a joke as a prime minister then Harper. When you ask them, they go into a tizzy about "control freak" and "killing the environment", which is neither factual nor logical. Harper is no more a "control freak" then every other politician in recent memory. Mulcair will maul anyone in his party if they speak to the media,, that is why you hear NOTHING about all the separatist in his mist. The Little Guy From Shawinigan was also known as Ceasar. Anyone who spoke out of turn was reprimanded. Yet Harper is a "control freak" because he does not let his members participate in the gotcha 24/7 news cycle. Pure nonsense. Nor has the sky fallen, unless of course walking away from a joke "global warming" accord that no one was following is a crime. Reality is that some people can't stand anyone in power that does not represent their particular views. Much like Liberal party mentality of "naturally governing party", they think that government should only represent their views otherwise, it's illegitimate or shouldn't even have a right to exist. Oh wait......."Harper has a secret agenda".... Remember this piece of pure Liberal Party garbage? Worse, some actually swallowed it wholesale.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 20, 2014 1:03:25 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Sept 20, 2014 7:57:03 GMT -5
Hudak was the worst, most inept PC leader ever. Tory gives a run for the money. it's like they are taking kickbacks from the Liberals to intentionally lose.
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Post by franko on Sept 20, 2014 8:01:30 GMT -5
Best case scenario is that Harper wins again, Trudeau joke is tossed away Trudeau stays if there is a Harper minority. a majority Harper er Tory . . . government is unlikely right now, but a year of campaigning is going to make a big difference. The month before the election -- when Trudeau has the opportunity to go off talking points with his handlers not feeding him what to say -- that's the key to the final results.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 20, 2014 9:41:31 GMT -5
Then again, we should never underestimate the power of nice hair..... His hair seems to really annoy you. Nice hair bugs me sometimes too, but usually because what's left of mine is so unmanagageable. I don't know enough about Trudeau except what he's said in interviews. I like the fact he actually recognizes the fact the middle class is diminishing. But as I always say, talk is cheap. It's what someone does that matters. Everything I detest about Harper is his OCD attitude toward control, and unfortunately it's not just his party he wants to control, its' me too and for that he can go to you know where. Regarding potential leaders, the mayor of Surrey, Diane Watts will be running for the PC's at the next election and she's a very highly regarded individual, guiding Surrey through a huge number of growing pains without scandals or big messes popping up. She'll be a player in the party, as long as Harper's not around. I can't see her getting along with Mr Control Freak.
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Post by franko on Sept 20, 2014 10:30:14 GMT -5
I like the fact he actually recognizes the fact the middle class is diminishing. except . . . except . . . it isn't diminishing (even says the Globe!).the problem is middle class over spending, due to low interest rates . . .you wouldn't believe (well, may be you would) how many of my neighbours have renegotiated their mortgages (lower interest, higher home value) and renoed their places or gone on holidays or paid off their credit cards so that they can keep on spending on meals out etc (and gone right back to maxing their cards). sure wages are stagnant (I know all about that) but that doesn't mean that the middle class is diminishing, just that the amount that the middle class SHOULD spend is lower. interestingly enough, it looks as if the election is going to be about hair and popularity: young Mr,. T. seems to echo a lot of what Mr. H is saying -- Keep resources moving; embrace free trade; don’t raise taxes, though he adds spend any surplus on education and useful infrastructure the star
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 20, 2014 12:50:49 GMT -5
Then again, we should never underestimate the power of nice hair..... His hair seems to really annoy you. Nice hair bugs me sometimes too, but usually because what's left of mine is so unmanagageable. I don't know enough about Trudeau except what he's said in interviews. I like the fact he actually recognizes the fact the middle class is diminishing. But as I always say, talk is cheap. It's what someone does that matters. Everything I detest about Harper is his OCD attitude toward control, and unfortunately it's not just his party he wants to control, its' me too and for that he can go to you know where. Regarding potential leaders, the mayor of Surrey, Diane Watts will be running for the PC's at the next election and she's a very highly regarded individual, guiding Surrey through a huge number of growing pains without scandals or big messes popping up. She'll be a player in the party, as long as Harper's not around. I can't see her getting along with Mr Control Freak. Perhaps the solution to your hair is to let Mr. Control Freak coife it..... Why is it that you can't acknowledge that Mulcare, Chretien and past leaders are and were no different? Which in effect would nullify any "control" argument. Your other argument would be that he is not letting people with agenda spout it while working for the government. Sorry, but using ones job to give credit too ones personal agenda will get you fired from ANY job. Including you from yours. Just because you agree with it, it doesn't make it right. You would scream blue murder if Health Canada doctor preached about the evil of abortion. As for our young Justin. Every time he goes of script about he hates Harper and loves the middle class, he's views and values frigten rational people. Perhaps this makes for rational thought..... "if you were to talk to a caveman millennia upon millennia upon millennia ago. it's not programmed into our gut thinking that we do have to think broader. Except this, right here, is a generation so globally aware that you get that." Pure adolescent puffery at preening pseudo intellectualism. That's the kind of space cadet stuff I wrote when I was 14.....and cringed when I read it at 16. Do you want the 14 year old version of Cranky running the country?
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 20, 2014 12:58:04 GMT -5
I like the fact he actually recognizes the fact the middle class is diminishing. except . . . except . . . it isn't diminishing (even says the Globe!).the problem is middle class over spending, due to low interest rates . . .you wouldn't believe (well, may be you would) how many of my neighbours have renegotiated their mortgages (lower interest, higher home value) and renoed their places or gone on holidays or paid off their credit cards so that they can keep on spending on meals out etc (and gone right back to maxing their cards). sure wages are stagnant (I know all about that) but that doesn't mean that the middle class is diminishing, just that the amount that the middle class SHOULD spend is lower. interestingly enough, it looks as if the election is going to be about hair and popularity: young Mr,. T. seems to echo a lot of what Mr. H is saying -- Keep resources moving; embrace free trade; don’t raise taxes, though he adds spend any surplus on education and useful infrastructure the starOf course it will be about hair. Jr isn't going to go up against Harper on international affairs or the economy. The only thing left is to play the evil Harper card and preen to the younger generation. Or perhaps caveman from another space and time......*sigh*
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Post by franko on Sept 20, 2014 13:12:11 GMT -5
"if you were to talk to a caveman millennia upon millennia upon millennia ago. it's not programmed into our gut thinking that we do have to think broader. Except this, right here, is a generation so globally aware that you get that." "We have to realize that the way of thinking that got us to this place no longer holds. We have to rethink elements as basic as space and time, to go all science fictiony on you in this sense."
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 20, 2014 13:44:28 GMT -5
Could be my age talking, but I don't think Trudeau is a capable leader. I don't know the man at all…but his leadership primarily, to me, speaks of "image/eye candy".
I owe him more than that….of course he's going to be inspired to lead, as did his father.
So I'm really going to listen.
Harper? Well, he certainly knows how to dodge bullets/keep his nose clean no matter what comes his way. That's the sign that he's either doing a fine job….or he's developed some kind of invisible, impenetrable dome. Ha!
Something's fishy considering the Duffy nonsense…..but that's about it.
I know there are many adversaries on facebook….screaming about the western oil, mainly. But any opinion I have would be based on ignorance.
Have much more to read on each leader.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 20, 2014 15:51:38 GMT -5
I like the fact he actually recognizes the fact the middle class is diminishing. except . . . except . . . it isn't diminishing (even says the Globe!).the problem is middle class over spending, due to low interest rates . . .you wouldn't believe (well, may be you would) how many of my neighbours have renegotiated their mortgages (lower interest, higher home value) and renoed their places or gone on holidays or paid off their credit cards so that they can keep on spending on meals out etc (and gone right back to maxing their cards). sure wages are stagnant (I know all about that) but that doesn't mean that the middle class is diminishing, just that the amount that the middle class SHOULD spend is lower. interestingly enough, it looks as if the election is going to be about hair and popularity: young Mr,. T. seems to echo a lot of what Mr. H is saying -- Keep resources moving; embrace free trade; don’t raise taxes, though he adds spend any surplus on education and useful infrastructure the starThe middle class can't be eliminated because they're the ones spending ... the middle class I know is where both spouses are usually working out of necessity and even with both of you working it often takes years to get out of debt, a mortgage payment being an exhaustive constant (like, friggin' go away already) ... I know a lot of people who Franko described ... spending money they don't have but money that's readily available to them ... sign here and the t-shirt is yours ... the banks are giving 18-year-olds credit cards for opening accounts without batting an eye ... what's an 18-year-old going to do with a new credit card? ... I don't blame the kids, but I do blame the institutions ... with that kind of money always available, it's no wonder why Canadians are running up record levels of household debt ... Trudeau says he understands this, but at the same time he's never been wanting for anything in his life ... everything has been provided for him and he's had a very privileged life ... I'm not all that sure he really understands the middle class ... Stephen Harper's story is a bit different ... he worked in a mail room for a while and became a member of the Young Liberals Club but he changed allegiances because of the Liberal NEP ... I know he's an autocrat, but I think he might understand the middle class more than Trudeau ... I don't know Thomas Mulcair's story all that well but he seems to have modest roots from the Ottawa/Hull region ... his path suggests to me that he, too, would probably relate to the middle class better than Trudeau ... that said, I'm sort of glad Mulcair is there, because if it came down to voting for Harper to keep Trudeau from getting in office, I'd probably do it ... and there's lots of people who'd go the other way, too, mind you ... having Mulcair there provides an alternative, for me anyway ... he hasn't done anything for me to go Green ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 20, 2014 16:00:23 GMT -5
Could be my age talking, but I don't think Trudeau is a capable leader. I don't know the man at all…but his leadership primarily, to me, speaks of "image/eye candy". I owe him more than that….of course he's going to be inspired to lead, as did his father. So I'm really going to listen. Harper? Well, he certainly knows how to dodge bullets/keep his nose clean no matter what comes his way. That's the sign that he's either doing a fine job….or he's developed some kind of invisible, impenetrable dome. Ha! Something's fishy considering the Duffy nonsense…..but that's about it. I know there are many adversaries on facebook….screaming about the western oil, mainly. But any opinion I have would be based on ignorance. Have much more to read on each leader. CH, the biggest gripe I have against Harper is his way of undermining the democratic process in parliament ... if he doesn't like the way the debate is going he orders his party to chambers ... in that context he's an autocrat and he won't be able to do this with a minority government ... as leader of the minority he'll have no choice but to debate and if he loses it will be a big thing ... Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 21, 2014 8:59:32 GMT -5
... he worked in a mail room for a while and became a member of the Young Liberals Club but he changed allegiances because of the Liberal NEP ... Cheers. That is another thing that I understand Harper and trust him. I use to be a card carrying member of the Federal and Provincial Liberal Parties. I left because as I got older, the idealism was beaten out of me from day to day reality of running companies. There is not much "social justice" left if one is constantly bombarded with the pure greed of "what's in it for me" in a working environment from the very people you want to help. Then add the utter stupidity of unbridled entitlements. So as the left economic side eroded away and Liberals become more and more authoritarian with "political correctness", pseudo environmentalist greenwashing and hypocrisy of "do what I say, not what I do", I switched to PC.....while retaining my social libertarianism. Harper is far from religious, pro-life-at-any-cost, hate-the-poor-love-the-rich, kill-the-poor-earthworms-and-the-planet that some want to paint him with and far closer to my "package" of beliefs then Mulcair, Trudeau, Obama, Chretien, Bush or pretty much any leader in my lifetime. As for "authoritarianism".....is there such a thing as leadership without a degree of it? After all, we want them to make decisions for the entire country but also want to debate or piss on them if he/they don't satisfy our particular wants. We want action and laugh at countries with endless quarrelling of minority governments, but whine if he/they take action as a majority on issues we don't agree with. Let's face it, I despised Harper bending to the troika and wasting money with the stimulus package, but I grinned and beared it. I despise his bending to endless environmentalist obstructionism, but I grin and bear it. Why should others not do the same when they don't like certain policies? So which is it? Do we or don't we want leadership and action?
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 21, 2014 9:13:25 GMT -5
"We have to realize that the way of thinking that got us to this place no longer holds. We have to rethink elements as basic as space and time, to go all science fictiony on you in this sense." Pure pseudo intellectual crap.....from a guy who wants to be LEADER a first world country. I can't believe that any intelligent Liberal doesn't flinch reading that.
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Post by franko on Sept 21, 2014 9:14:33 GMT -5
"We have to realize that the way of thinking that got us to this place no longer holds. We have to rethink elements as basic as space and time, to go all science fictiony on you in this sense." Pure pseudo intellectual crap. I can't believe that any intellegent Liberal doesn't flinch reading that. fodder for the Conservative election ads, for sure. it will be "this is what you will get if you elect him". seen as a personal attack? probably, because that's what they've been doing for so long everything tends to look like it.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 22, 2014 23:58:53 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 27, 2014 17:08:00 GMT -5
This is fascinating and tragic for two reasons....
One...proof on how the media and "government" want to shape public opinion rather then report the news.
Two...here we go with Muslims and beheadings in the US.
Let's get something straight here, beheading a person with a effen knife is tough, messy process that take time and normally, extremely rare. They literally have to chop away like a piece of firewood to get though the neck bones. For this human garbage to do it, it was nothing less then a deliberate choice and a "statement". So the media and the obama's FBI can knock of the ambivalence, linguistic sideshow, soundbites and excuses.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 27, 2014 23:37:55 GMT -5
I don't buy the "eventually" part at all. He loses a majority to Harper and there will be consequences. There is no manifest destiny for good hair prime ministers. So, you're saying you trust the voters of Ontario and Quebec? Cheers.
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Post by franko on Sept 28, 2014 7:17:46 GMT -5
I don't buy the "eventually" part at all. He loses a majority to Harper and there will be consequences. There is no manifest destiny for good hair prime ministers. So, you're saying you trust the voters of Ontario and Quebec? Quebec pulls Trudeau back into "Official Opposition" status (sorry, HA and Mr. Mulcair). The battle is for Ontario. Normally a Liberal majority in Queen's Park bodes well for the Federal Conservatives. We'll see how Wynne does this next year as to if that continues to hold. TruedeauJrmania hasn't shown any signs of abating yet though.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 28, 2014 10:21:52 GMT -5
So which is it? Do we or don't we want leadership and action? The voted Tory the last two times because of: a. they were the only party that seemed to have their act together ... they had the leadership in place where the other parties didn't, and b. the second time was because of the coalition ... Harper tried to form a coalition years ago to bring down Martin, but it never got to that point ... besides I had voted for Martin (and his we're-back-in-the-black budget). I don't see too many changes from para a ... the Tories still have the leadership in place, but at the same time Harper is undermining the democratic process ... if he knew his minority government was going to be defeated he'd prorogue the House ... if he doesn't like the way a debate is going with his majority government he orders his party to chambers ... this isn't leadership, it's avoidance of leadership ... that said, I still believe Harper to be the better leader ... he's proven more leadership wise than the leadership-through-entitlement Trudeau inherited ... so, if it came down to a choice between the two I'd have to vote for Harper ... it's pretty much like you said, can we see a guy like Trudeau standing up to Putin? ... no, I don't think so ... and I'll go a bit further and say that, Canada under Trudeau would be an international laughing stock ... those are the differences I see between the two ... and, again, I'm probably leaning towards the NDP this time around ... I've watched Mulcair in the Commons and he's not only an excellent debater, but he's also a strong leader of the opposition ... in that context I feel he's proven more than the Liberal wunderkind ... Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Sept 29, 2014 10:50:17 GMT -5
So which is it? Do we or don't we want leadership and action? The voted Tory the last two times because of: a. they were the only party that seemed to have their act together ... they had the leadership in place where the other parties didn't, and b. the second time was because of the coalition ... Harper tried to form a coalition years ago to bring down Martin, but it never got to that point ... besides I had voted for Martin (and his we're-back-in-the-black budget). I don't see too many changes from para a ... the Tories still have the leadership in place, but at the same time Harper is undermining the democratic process ... if he knew his minority government was going to be defeated he'd prorogue the House ... if he doesn't like the way a debate is going with his majority government he orders his party to chambers ... this isn't leadership, it's avoidance of leadership ... that said, I still believe Harper to be the better leader ... he's proven more leadership wise than the leadership-through-entitlement Trudeau inherited ... so, if it came down to a choice between the two I'd have to vote for Harper ... it's pretty much like you said, can we see a guy like Trudeau standing up to Putin? ... no, I don't think so ... and I'll go a bit further and say that, Canada under Trudeau would be an international laughing stock ... those are the differences I see between the two ... and, again, I'm probably leaning towards the NDP this time around ... I've watched Mulcair in the Commons and he's not only an excellent debater, but he's also a strong leader of the opposition ... in that context I feel he's proven more than the Liberal wunderkind ... Cheers. Nooooooooo...NOT NDP. It's like killing AND eating the baby! First, did you forget WHY Harper prorogued the government? The Three Amigos (including the PQ) were going to take over the government because.......they decided they could. They were all counting how they are going to spoil themselves silly wiht power.....only to hand Harper an eventual majority. As for my good buddies over at the NDP, sure, Mulcair the lawyer gabs well, but it's the NDP. You WILL get a carbon tax the very next day they get into power and it will make make EVERYTHING you buy more expensive, you will get more money thrown at unions, you will get a national all day daycare, they will gut the military, you will NOT get any military involvement short of Russian soldiers marching in downtown Kingston, you will get a waffling and warbling international presence, you will get a bunch of closet separatist that now make up their party, you will not get much political presence past in the West and last but not least, they certainly know how to tax-n-spend.....while screaming class warfare. And in all this, you will pay through the nose....while on a fixed income. Have you seen your electricity bill? That's only the benign, tender beginning of a carbon tax mania. Ask the Brits about "energy poverty"....while rich greenwashing corporations stuff their pockets. I know you think my bro Stevie actually puts a baby in his baby bbq'ed ribs, but he's a lot better then My-Daddy-Is-Famous and a guy who is trying very hard to hide his tax-n-spend, sky falling spots.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 29, 2014 12:01:05 GMT -5
The voted Tory the last two times because of: a. they were the only party that seemed to have their act together ... they had the leadership in place where the other parties didn't, and b. the second time was because of the coalition ... Harper tried to form a coalition years ago to bring down Martin, but it never got to that point ... besides I had voted for Martin (and his we're-back-in-the-black budget). I don't see too many changes from para a ... the Tories still have the leadership in place, but at the same time Harper is undermining the democratic process ... if he knew his minority government was going to be defeated he'd prorogue the House ... if he doesn't like the way a debate is going with his majority government he orders his party to chambers ... this isn't leadership, it's avoidance of leadership ... that said, I still believe Harper to be the better leader ... he's proven more leadership wise than the leadership-through-entitlement Trudeau inherited ... so, if it came down to a choice between the two I'd have to vote for Harper ... it's pretty much like you said, can we see a guy like Trudeau standing up to Putin? ... no, I don't think so ... and I'll go a bit further and say that, Canada under Trudeau would be an international laughing stock ... those are the differences I see between the two ... and, again, I'm probably leaning towards the NDP this time around ... I've watched Mulcair in the Commons and he's not only an excellent debater, but he's also a strong leader of the opposition ... in that context I feel he's proven more than the Liberal wunderkind ... Cheers. Nooooooooo...NOT NDP. It's like killing AND eating the baby! First, did you forget WHY Harper prorogued the government? The Three Amigos (including the PQ) were going to take over the government because.......they decided they could. They were all counting how they are going to spoil themselves silly wiht power.....only to hand Harper an eventual majority. As for my good buddies over at the NDP, sure, Mulcair the lawyer gabs well, but it's the NDP. You WILL get a carbon tax the very next day they get into power and it will make make EVERYTHING you buy more expensive, you will get more money thrown at unions, you will get a national all day daycare, they will gut the military, you will NOT get any military involvement short of Russian soldiers marching in downtown Kingston, you will get a waffling and warbling international presence, you will get a bunch of closet separatist that now make up their party, you will not get much political presence past in the West and last but not least, they certainly know how to tax-n-spend.....while screaming class warfare. And in all this, you will pay through the nose....while on a fixed income. Have you seen your electricity bill? That's only the benign, tender beginning of a carbon tax mania. Ask the Brits about "energy poverty"....while rich greenwashing corporations stuff their pockets. I know you think my bro Stevie actually puts a baby in his baby bbq'ed ribs, but he's a lot better then My-Daddy-Is-Famous and a guy who is trying very hard to hide his tax-n-spend, sky falling spots. I'm looking at it very closely, HA ... I'll review the party platforms a bit closer as the election nears but I'm leaning that way because Mulcair looks like a no-nonsense kind of leader ... if I don't like what I'm reading down the road, there's always the Greens ... I'm moving away from the party I voted for the last two times, the Tories, mainly because of Harper's autocratic approach to democracy ... Paul Calandra's indignant responses to Mulcair in the House this week was not his idea (despite him saying it was) ... that was Harper ... I mean, why wouldn't the Minister of Defence (who was in parliament at the time) answer questions about boots on the ground? ... the only thing a monkey like Calandra was missing was his little hat and some organ grinder music to dance to ... to that, I suspect Calandra had a shiny new nickle dropped into his little tin cup ... as for the last election, I completely understand why we went to the polls before and the coalition, alone, made me vote for the Tories ... I won't have anything to do with the Liberals so long as das wunderkind, Trudeau, is leading ... I really fear for the nation if he gets in ... we'll have new levels of Chinese ownership in Canada and possibly Russian flags south of CFS Alert ... moreover, his admiration of China suggests to me the direction he'd like to see the country go in the future ... imagine the worst-case scenario where we have not one, but two socialist parties in Canada (don't tell me Trudeau the Elder wasn't a socialist) ... I don't see the NDP forming a government, but I could handle them remaining the official opposition ... I could go on and on, HA, but it would come out like a rant and I don't want that (might be too late anyway) ... I see the positives in the Conservatives but I'd rather a minority government ... at least things will get done democratically and Harper will be kept in check ...
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Post by Polarice on Sept 29, 2014 13:21:11 GMT -5
I'll never vote NDP again after the mess they created in NS and BC, they are beyond incompetent....can't imagine what they would do to a country.
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